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Discussion: AA 60 Colorado - Scrap Iron

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Oct. 24, 2008
bprieve
17 posts
AA 60 Colorado - Scrap Iron
Looks like we will be recruiting a player or two to join us in 2009.

Colorado based, on the rise (we won Western Regionals in Salt Lake this year), excellent team spirit and support of each other. 60s AA.

Bart Prieve, (newly-elected Manager and sometimes Left Fielder)
"Diamonds in the Rough" - part of Scrap Iron Senior Softball Club
303-587-4459 (cell)
bprieve@hotmail.com
Jan. 6, 2009
surf88
Men's 60
885 posts
Hello Bart,

Happy New Year to you. I was cruising SSUSA today and saw your notice. I'm not sure what our team is doing this year (SI 55's) but I'm sure I'll hear at some point. What are you fellas planning? I can stay with 55's and they are good guys but I do turn 60 this year (March) and it does not hurt to check into things.

Thought I'd say hello and respond. Who is on the squad?
Be well,
Ed Andrews
SI 55's
Jan. 6, 2009
WOW
197 posts
Why were't you moved to AAA if you won this tourn? Again, no consisetncy in applying the "rules"
Jan. 6, 2009
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
WOW- This has been discussed and clarifed before on here. The ONLY tournament win that requires a move to the next higher division is the World or National Championship of each of the Summit associations. For SPA, that means Dalton or Tulsa, for ssusa, that means Phoenix, for ISSA, that means Manassas and for ISA that means the one in St. Louis (I think).

Winning the other major tournaments CAN get you moved, but it's not automatic. (This also seems to bother you about the Las Vegas team too, even though they have yet to win one of those year-end World or National tournaments).

Sometimes it's a good thing to learn the rules before one starts to incorrectly criticize teams that have done nothing to merit a wrong application of a rule you don't seem to understand clearly.
Jan. 6, 2009
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
Must be getting old! Forgot to add the actual rule and where you can find it. It's from this web site. Click on the "Summit" link on any page here, then click on "Winning teams moving up in 2008" . Here's what it says:

Winning Teams Moving up in Ratings for 2008

According to an agreement between the 10 National Softball Associations, teams winning first place in divisions of more than 2 teams in any of the 10 National Association final championships are moved up in rating for the next season.

Teams winning in divisions of between 3-5 teams may appeal their rating after playing in three tournaments at their new rating. There is no appeal for the 2008 season for teams that won a National Final in divisions of 6 or more teams.

Teams are considered the same team regardless of name if they retain 6 or more players from the winning team even if the team "ages up".

Teams winning the Huntsman Games do not automatically move up because the association allows open rosters.

WOW, I don't think the list has been updated yet for 2009 because of the other crazy stuff going on with rules and such.
Jan. 19, 2009
WOW
197 posts
Rules are not applied evenly. Yes, it does bother me that the Las Vegas team does NOT get moved up after all the wins they have and my team gets moved up after ONE win. I have nothing against ANY team. I have ALWAYS enjoyed playing against Las Vegas 60's, even though we rarely beat them. THEY ARE A BUNCH OF NICE GUYS What I have a problem with is the rules NOT being applied equally to ALL teams.
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Lanny Witt
Prime Time.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan. 19, 2009
WOW
197 posts
By the way DG, I do know the rules.
Jan. 19, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
WOW: The TOC, gave "false" data:
1) 50 division; 0 Major Plus & 2 Major teams
2) 55 division: 0 Major plus & 4 Major teams
3) 60 division: 1 Major Plus & 5 Major teams
4) 65 division: 1 Major Plus & 3 Major teams
7) 70 division: 1 Major Plus & 1 Major teams

For some, there are many unresloved questions:
1) Why, would a 60 M. Plus team stay M. Plus, when 60 Majors get to hit 1 less H.R.? Many of these players have gone 5 or more years, beening stuck in M. Plus; play the same 3-4 teams, year after year.

2) Why, are players & teams disbanding, when their team gets the automatic push, once that team wins a World?

3) Why, would a AAA or Major player, want to play on a Major Plus team?

Facts:
1) If, a player, plays in Major Plus, that player is stuck in Major Plus, for that year & the next year.
2) To drop down into Majors, that player must:
a) Get SS-USA'S, approval.
b) & or be able to move to the next age group.
c) Their team folder & SS-USA, gives the O.K.
THi-J
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