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Nov. 9, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
It's that time of the year...
It's that time of the year guys.
Platooning or unlimited defensive substitution while keeping the offensive line up
exactly the same with all the same rules in force
is IMO a wonderful idea I didn't create.
It's everywhere in sports.
It can be enacted in 15 seconds without changing another rule.
it will:
-increase senior participation
-create higher level play
-promote safer play
-make the associations and communities more money
from increased membership and participation
-create better team harmony and esprit through wider/easier use
of getting bench/role players in games.
-teach true team-ness and sportsmanship to all members
of the softball community
Nov. 9, 2008
Jawood
Men's 50
794 posts
I didn't understand what you were saying a while back when you brought this up the first time. Either you expained yourself better this time or my brain is working clearer than it did a few months ago, probably the ladder. I would AGREE with your proposal. Run anyone you want out on defense! I like it! While I think most players would say that swinging the bat is most the enjoyable, a lot can be said about getting everyone involved with the success of your team.
Nov. 9, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
After all, SLOW pitch softball is a highly skilled and physically very demanding game. How can we expect everyone to play both offense and defense. :)
Nov. 9, 2008
stattad
Men's 65
168 posts
I, for one, can't imagine anyone being happy with just playing defense and not getting to swing the bat. They wouldn't stay on the team very long.
Nov. 9, 2008
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
Joe
give it up on this one buddy!
IT'S TIME
M
Nov. 9, 2008
Jawood
Men's 50
794 posts
Who would have thought of unlimited courtesy runners either. I doubt teams would have 10 offensive and 10 defensive players.
Nov. 10, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Free defensive substitution is a form of platooning.
It just means you can have up to 2 separate teams on the field
at any time, one for offense and one for defense.
You can run anyone in on defense at any time
and all the rules now in existence for the offensive line up
stay as is.
It's only on defense, you allow free subbing at any time.
It's effortless and Jawood, you're right,
it will get everyone in the game and increase participation,
it will give guys breathers and avoid heat prostration and worse,
it will increase the overall caliber of play for all concerned.
it will encourage and allow more old timers back in the game
for local and away tournaments which is good across the board
it will help build greater team chemistry and encourage a greater degree
of team-ness (one for all and all for one)
and more.
Nov. 10, 2008
hitt2
354 posts
Joe
Sorry can't agree with you on this one.
Nov. 10, 2008
softball4b
Men's 60
738 posts
Just one question. Name one player on one team you played on that would be willing to play defense and not hit.
Nov. 10, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
You mean, besides me, right, Mike?
Also, it's not a static thing.
Maybe a player just plays D this game and not the next
in a tournament or in and out in the same game.
Let me put it to you this way.
Which player do you know, wouldn't or shouldn't take a step back
from home plate if the coach decided it was in the best interest
of the team winning.?
Nov. 10, 2008
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
This is a brilliant idea that solves so many problems in so many areas!

Ssusa could merge all divisions into age group only. Spread the Major and Major+ guys around at something like 5 of each per team so they can do all of the hitting. There are more AAA and AA players, so put about 15 of them on each team.

The AAA and AA guys can play defense, since none will be required to bat and all they have to do is stand there and watch balls fly out of the park and make appropriate "Ohhh and Ahhh" background sounds. Put 10 of them on the field and the rest of them outside the fence to throw back the HR Derby balls. Maybe even offer them a sno-cone for each couple of balls.

Ths will also cut down on lost ball costs and maybe make tourney fees cheaper. The up the middle rule could be abolished and replaced with a screen, since the AAA and AA guys would appreciate the added protection.

Depending on how many outside the fence defenders a team is allowed, maybe the balls could be 525 cor balls, and that would eliminate the bat issues. The big bad Major and Major+ guys should be able to hit it out with a frozen loaf of bread.

This is an awesome idea. Think how dull it will be here when ratings, bats and balls arguments all go away at the same time. Simply brilliant!!
Nov. 10, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Any player on the bench/roster
can go into a game at any time on defense only.
All the rules that presently apply to the line up
still apply.
It can be implemented in 5 seconds without fear of misinterpretation
and has many precedents in the world of sport.
Just because someone has intellect doesn't mean he or his argument is intelligent
as intellect is the whore of intelligence.
It's a very simple concept and can easily be applied with starting a revolution
or devolution of any sort.
Nov. 10, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Sorry, the last sentence should read
"It's a very simple concept and can easily be applied withOUT
starting a revolution or devolution of any sort."
Nov. 10, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
It's getting increasingly obvious you have an axe to grind with me
or the world but I'm game.
Email me and let's discuss it and try to resolve it but why not leave the website for more
community oriented topics and responses.
Didn't you say earlier it's what's best for the community is what we should all be about?
Why not walk the talk
instead of talk the walk?
joerinaldi56@yahoo.com
and I'm Joe Rinaldi.
Nov. 10, 2008
Lecak
Men's 55
1006 posts
Desert Guy no response necessary a little story for you. I'm new to senior softball but what I've learned through interacting with folks like Bob Woodroof, and a number of others that know senior ball is to not generalize, you did. As a new 50 year old there were some things I didn't like some things that happened to me keeping me from participating. What I did was got myself onto the Advisory board of senior softball. I was going to change the world, here is what I learned. I walked into a room with 50 or 60 women and men of all ages, sizes, conditioning etc. I quickly became humbled and realized it is not about what I want. The game you and I know and grew up playing is probably night and day. What I want and you want out of this experience is probably on the extremes of the bell curve. I can aaure you from what I saw and know is that no rule changes are going to happen in a vacuum and they certainly won't tip to any extreme. I came away with that it has to be an experience that everyone can enjoy. My best experience in senior ball did not come from any event on the field it was the knowledge gained that as I age I'll be able to play god willing for as long as can hold up. Drop the AA/AAA/Major/Major plus crap please.
Nov. 10, 2008
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
610 posts
Joe, I am only for the rule that the pitcher does not have to bat.

I am kidding.

I guess this could work if you have a lot of guys in the dugout, but I could see this becoming a coach's nightmare on trying to keep the players straight and not end up with 5 in the outfield when they are already asking how many outs there are and who they bat behind. Can we just say unlimited substitution and call it even?

Enjoy Veteran's Day.
Nov. 10, 2008
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
Pssst. It was a JOKE fellas! Absolutely NONE of what I put in that post will work, ever.

Mr. Lecak, I, and everyone that has the wonderful opportunity to play this game, appreciates all of the people like you that step up and contribute. Regardless of how you might view that experience, you came to the plate. Thank you!

Mr. einstein, drop the ID crusade. It's getting boring and repititious and even you don't apply it consistently (4x4 is the best example there).
Nov. 10, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
joe i'm with mike on this one,i would not myself just go out to the field and not be able to hit,and like mike said show me the ones who would do that(besides yourself and even then i know how much you like to hit).we basicaly have that now,by being able to hit your full roster,thats like having unlimited substitution(if you are looking to give people a break in the field and such).i don't think it is fair to have someone do all the grunt work(fielding) and get no rewards(hitting).i find it no better than to make a good fielding play and coming in to hit and keep my hi going by getting a hit to help my team.with your way of playing i can see abuse to it,by some teams just loading up on some big hitters and then grabbing the best fielders to go along with that.i would stop playing if i was regulated to that,as i like to play D also along with hitting.helll i just played a 7 game min tourney this weekend with the kids and had a blast playing every inning with them(2b,3b and rc).ok we only had 10 guys but just the thought of sitting doesn't go well with me,i love to be involed with both sides of the ball,and not just one side.

DG,you really need to drop the 4X4 thing as we all know who he is,even joe.
Nov. 10, 2008
hombre
Men's 60
220 posts
I guess that I'm just a traditionalist, but I don't like the designated hitter in MLB and I don't like five steps off the dribble before the shot in the NBA. Having said that, I think we're fixing a nonexistant problem. If a player can hit but can't play defense or vise versa, perhaps they should consider playing at a lower level.

Platooning would be ruining the game I love to play. Just my respectful opinion. Thanks
Nov. 10, 2008
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
PLATOONING........YES OR NO?

NO
Nov. 10, 2008
bashbro1
Men's 60
266 posts
Hey Joe! I heard someone whisper on the message board (barely audible) that the title to your thread here should have read..."It's that time of the Month"!!! LOL

Bash the Barista stalker!!
Nov. 11, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
ok bash you better cut it out or we'll lose this thread.:):)
hey i want to see the barista girls :):):)
Nov. 11, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Dog, my good man,
check out Bash's website
and look up senior bomb squad
and you will see the both of them.
Sigh!
Nov. 11, 2008
bashbro1
Men's 60
266 posts
Mad Dog. Just copy and paste the link below into your Browser and a Senior Bomb Squad photo will appear from the 2007 event @Russel Road in Kent, WA. Lying down in front are the Kent, WA barista gals. Front row L-R. are: Bud Turner WA, Art Eversole( bash) WA, Joe Rinaldi (einstein) Cal; Back row L-R, Jim Downs WA, Jim (Crusher) Douglas WA, Tom (tomahawking) Brusca WA, and Ken (Bogie) Van Bogaert of Wis.

http://image57.webshots.com/757/8/45/8/2936845080061458343nojcjX_fs.jpg
Nov. 11, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
ah great pic,but why did ya's ruin it with all the butt ugly's in the back :):):)
Nov. 12, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Flat out worst idea in the history of ideas.
Nov. 12, 2008
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
DIRTY: I agree. That the worest thought was to let Gary 19/ THG/ Dirty, back on to this message board.

T Hi-J
Nov. 14, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
No,
the worst idea reflected above
is letting you back on the website.
From the Stoneman through me
to you,
FROM: " A KNIGHT'S TALE".
ADHEMAR-- YOU HAVE BEEN WEIGHED,
YOU HAVE BEEN MEASURED,
& YOU HAVE BEEN FOUND WANTING.
IN WHAT WORLD COULD YOU POSSIBLY BEAT ME?
(or anyone else)
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