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Nov. 18, 2008
coachron
14 posts
Inoxicated player
I know there has to be some attorney type players out there. As a coach, I allowed a known intoxicated player on the field, and he gets drilled with a ball, and is hurt, can I be held liable?
Coachron
Nov. 19, 2008
AZBaller
44 posts
You can now, you just admitted your guilty!!!!!!!!
Nov. 19, 2008
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
597 posts
In my experiences with injuries at the park, I can tell you that if an insurance company becomes involved that they generally sue everyone, the umpire, park, association, ball company, and bat company, just trying to get someone to pay. I have never seen a coach sued before, but it could happen I suppose. The worst one that I ever saw was a girl who was wearing hoop earrings, and one got ripped out of her ear on a tag in league play. Of course the rule book said no jewelry but...
Nov. 19, 2008
The Great McGonigle
Men's 50
13 posts
I strongly disagree AZ. The coach is not responsible for some nit wit who cannot wait until after the game to hit the sauce!
Nov. 19, 2008
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Surely you jest, McGonigle ... The coach "knowingly" allowed the intoxicated player on the field... That would make the coach liable.
Nov. 19, 2008
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
The best answer thus far is by Ms. Allen. The injured player's lawyer will sue anyone and everyone they can think of and let the courts sort it out. They will hope that whatever that result is, the parties liable will have cash or insurance coverages to make it worthwhile. A Manager that knowlingly allowed the player to play is likely to be in that group of defendants.
Nov. 19, 2008
the wood
1075 posts
This isn't a whole lot different than letting someone drive away from your home when you know that they are 'over the line'... as far as culpability goes. Of course, driving drunk is generally more heinous than playing ball drunk.
I have often wondered why this hasn't happened at any one of the BLD facilities (perhaps it has) as the younger guys hang out in the bar before their own games (night leagues)... sometimes for a couple of hours and then play ball. Their willingness to spend their $ on cocktails/food is the major reason that seniors do not have access to the park as much. We just don't spend as much as the youngsters do.
As Nancy said, the lawyers will seek the deepest pockets possible.
The team mgr has both a moral and a legal responsibility to uphold. Bottom line = don't put a drunk player on the field.
BW
Nov. 19, 2008
coachron
14 posts
Aloha plenty,
Your responses have really helped me justify my policy of not drinking prior, or during a game. I sat a know alc. last season, and was questioned why. I had explained, that the player had been drinking. The response from some of the players was it was ok, and being drunk is how this player functions. I now have input from you all that will support my no drinking policy, and th " Good Old Boy " is history.
Aloha Much
Coachron
Nov. 20, 2008
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
NO 19 , They are not talking about me !! SEE YOU IN VEGAS.
Nov. 20, 2008
softball4b
Men's 60
723 posts
Just for the record it depends on the state you are in and how the term contributory negligence is applied.

As previously stated everyone can be sued for any reason.

Whether you are liable or not, you have to defend and that is costly. Again depending on the state, your insurance company does not have to defend, depending on intent as defined in the policy.
Nov. 20, 2008
VINNY LV
Men's 50
178 posts
just hope this guy doesn't read this message board... now he has enough input to go see a lawyer..
Nov. 20, 2008
coachron
14 posts
This guy didn't play, I just got a bunch of flack for not allowing him to play. The selected few questioned me on why I sat him, and put in a lower skilled player. I responded that he had been drinking before the game. This is when I found out, that there is a " Good Old Boy" feeling among some of my players. My question was not a after the fact, but more what if I did.
Aloha
Coachron
Nov. 21, 2008
AZBaller
44 posts
Then you call the guy you put in "A LOWER SKILLED PLAYER" here on the message board.... How do you even keep players that want to play for you?? You ever heard of just saying the guy was a "SUB"......... Way to make the "SUB" feel real good about playing on your team, you probably hurt his feelings........Now he's gonna be labled as "THE LOWER SKILLED PLAYER" the rest of his career.....Nice job coach!!!!!!!!!!
Nov. 21, 2008
F.O.G.
Men's 40
105 posts
My turn...

I knew this topic would bring out many comments and opinions.

As a manager, my first responsibility is to the team. One rotten apple spoils the barrel....nothing could be more true. If I have a player who has a problem, i.e. drunk, wasted, physically injured or just plain can't get his mind on the game, that player is ridin' the pine...period. If you don't make that move you risk the whole team...you lose your players respect which means you will probably not be successful nor will the team. I've been on both sides of this fence.

My rules & requests are simple:

1. Show up to the park prepared and ready/willing to play.
2. No drinking during the tournament. If you need to drink, I'm sure there's a saloon somewhere that has a place for you. Besides...I will buy you a beer after the tourney...if you're thirsty!
3. Conduct yourself as a gentleman at all times...this one can be tough.
4. If you have a problem with me, do not call me out in front of the team....if you do I promise you I will send you packing and leave you in the dust.

I try my best to apply these rules to myself as well as the team. The last thing you need is these problems, especially when you're 500-1000 miles away from home playing in a big tournament.

Hats off to you, Coachron, for making a tough but necesarry decision.

Mike Williams
Manager
OSM
Nov. 21, 2008
Brit
Men's 50
6 posts
A couple of drinks after the game/tournament is one thing. Maybe a drink if there's couple hour delay/wait between games. To arrive intoxicated before a game? What are we, 21 again? To think someone 50 or older lacks self control, respect for his team, his teamates, or his sponsor that he/she arrives intoxicated is just plain stupid.
Nov. 21, 2008
Stretch14
Men's 50
185 posts
Our team took 4th in 50 & over in Arizona a couple of years ago and part of our right side of the playing field was looped up. Real class act.
Nov. 22, 2008
coachron
14 posts
Hey AZ, there are no players on my team with the title sub, everyone is a player. No head games anymore at our age. If someone needs their ego built up, my team is not the place. I am not here to develope minds, or protect someones feelings, or build up egos. That is for mothers, and wives. I can just imagine what a team of base hitters that thought they were home run hitters would look like. Easy pickins. One either knows his abilities, or lives is lala land, and hopes no one notices and has a excuse for every error. No time to blow smoke.
Coachron
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