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Discussion: 52-275 ball

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Feb. 24, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
52-275 ball
ok got to hit this ball at CST,here is what i got to say about hitting it and watching others hit it.
i used 4 diff bats,senior MM combat,utrip combat virus,asa rip-it senior,and a metal demarini 375.all but the 375 were broke in,its brand new.
all the bats hit the ball ok,i didn't get a lot of backspin on the ball as i don't have that type of swing.
my thoughts about the ball are,if you are a legit hr hitter no prol,if your are a basehitter you better keep the ball down as i hit a couple of balls with my ASA bat that were nailed and i got it about 280-290'(not much backspin).i tried to just make solid contact with my swing and thats all.there will be no more mishit hrs from the little guys(non hr hitters).
well let the questions begin,and please no mucking this thread with your agenda's please.
Feb. 24, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
Bob, I hit about 30 Sunday morning. I found that my '07 Virus hit them better than my MM Combat. I may have hit 5 or 6 out but you're right, mishits won't make it.
I wish there would be a ball in between it and the 44/375.
Feb. 24, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
i'm wondering what a 52-325 would be like,kevin what do you think.would be soft enough to prevent injury and still have performance.
Feb. 24, 2009
TexasTransplant
Men's 70
420 posts
So it sounds like all is right with the world. True home run hitters will be able to hit home runs; single hitters will hit singles. Just like in the old days. All by changing a $5 ball. That's great by me; I've only hit three HR's in my entire life.

Except now you have to hit that $5 ball with a $200-$300 bat, whereas 10 years ago you could get the same results with a $60 bat.

Somehow, multiple bat purchases later, I feel like I've been sold a bill of goods.
Feb. 24, 2009
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
Bob and Bruce
We hit it over on field one at lunch all of us where MAJOR OR MAJOR + players out of 4 rounds of 15 pitches there where only 3 hrs hit out tere where 4 of us that hit the 52/275 ball, like you said there was not any cheap homeruns one of us had an older PST (red& black) it hit the ball the best of any of the bats we had on the field
Don Ward
Kittrell Softball
Feb. 24, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
TT,i agree with ya,but you might stop bying all the bats now LOL.
don,field 1 was the one with the wind blowing in,yes(senior field)?if so i can see why you guys only hit 3 out,heck we didn't hit that many out with the other balls(44-375).on 4 where the wind was blowing out the 52-275 ball was going out pretty good.i would like to hit this ball again,when i'm not so tired as i was sunday when i hit them.
Feb. 24, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Sounds promising... this ball and others like it should be looked at more closely.
Feb. 24, 2009
Norq44
58 posts
I had the opportunity to hit the ball three different times over the course of the wekend. Once into a fairly energetic breeze, I had three balls off the fence, several to the fence and some decent line drives and a few easy fly balls. On another field with a fairly brisk wind blowing across from left to right I had three balls over the fence, four balls on the fence, and a few more to the fence and again, some nice line drive base hits. I then hit on a field with the same brisk wind blowing out and had six balls ove the fence and again several balls off the fence etc. What I noticed was no mis-hits went over the fence. I think that this ball is at least 30 to 40 feet shorter than the 40 and 44 cor. balls. I really believe that this is the ball we should be playing with. I have already made the decision that I will not play any tournament games under the new rules. If we were to go to this ball there would be no need for home run limits of any kind, nor would there be any need for dead ball outs up the middle. Additionally there wuld probably be a lot less struck by batted ball injuries. I could go on and on, but I will stop. It gets my vote!
Feb. 25, 2009
DCPete
235 posts
Virtually every comment about the new ball has compared it to the old ball as far as hitting HRs. How would the new ball affect the 90+% of AA & AAA players who are singles hitters? With the new balls slower BBS, are the .600 singles hitters going to become .300 singles hitters?
This would be a huge problem since a lot of them would probably stop attending tourneys & many good singles hitters are also key defensive players like pitchers & shortstops.
Why no comments on this part of the new ball issue?
Feb. 25, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
As long as both teams are hitting the same ball all should be well.
Feb. 25, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
DCPete, right on.
Norq N.B.
I've made that point numerous times.
Most hitters are singles and doubles guys and
will be disadvantaged by a ball
that slows down when struck dead center.
They as I should be very concerned
with all the popularity and push
the new ball is receiving.
A better ball is a good idea but it must be better
to the majority of those who play and experience
our game and not just admins and associates.
Maybe what Robert said about raising
the compression
would be an effective relationship
between performance and safety.
Feb. 25, 2009
chollis
79 posts
I hit it Sunday afternoon with Don Norquist, Stoney and Mike Macenko. I didn't want to hit it on Field #4 as the wind was blowing out hard, Field #1 was blowing in hard so I elected not to hit it there either. I moved to the most nuetral wind field which was #3. However, the wind was still aiding the ball if hit to left field.

Stoneman said I hit 12 balls out on my first round of 24 I think and then I hit a few more than that on the second round. I tried several difference stances and swings. I had the most success when I just made sure to hit the ball solid and not try to swing too hard. This type swing also produced my longest hit balls.
Feb. 25, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Did everyone on here scrutinize the equipment so much when they were Bombats, XBHs, and Harwoods?
Feb. 25, 2009
chollis
79 posts
I did.

I also forgot to mention in my post above that hasn't really been talked about much. For the better part of the 48 swings, say 35 of my swings, I was using a broken silver Combat(Pete Delange lent me his bat and said see if you can crack it. It broke on the third swing using 44/375 balls) which was cracked almost halfway around the barrel when I started taking my swings on the 52/275 balls. After I finished swinging I checked the bat again and the crack did not expand. My thinking is this might just be the ball I am looking for to hit batting practice with. I broke 4 bats in a ten days using 44/375 balls trying to get ready for the CST event. I'll be doing a write-up on the ball in my final recap of the 09' CST which I'll post on the CST web page in a few days. www.classicspringtraining.com
Feb. 25, 2009
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Dirty sometimes you over think things I can almost imagine what the Florida sessions were like, here in Vegas everyone once in a while several of us get to test some new stuff. We pick a time to get together, we get our workouts in and then we have a late breakfast or lunch talk about the stuff we just used and then we start talking about other stuff. Makes for a nice day. I suspect the same thing happened in Florida. Give it a rest in the grand scheme of things with the economy and what not hitting some new balls and talking about it over a beer or lunch doesn't sound like a bad way to spend some time with friends.

Feb. 25, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
well there goes the thread,i guess it'll be deleted pretty quick now.guess a couple of people did not read the last line of my starting thread.einstein did you not read also what people have said about the ball.it gets rid of the punch and judy guy hitting hr's when he shouldn't be,your real hr hitters will still be hitting them.i hit the ball low and hard thru the inf,and am not worried about my BA going down.
dirty you don't desrve any explanation as you are a non-particitpent,oh and have been cut by your senior team you tried to play for,b/c of attitude and not being able to perform.
Feb. 25, 2009
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Hi Bob I apologize. Sounds like you guys had some fun though. I've hit these and have stated before that I thought this ball would play well in the 40 division and 50 major and major plus. I also feel this ball at all other levels of play there needs to be some close scrutiny my feeling being somewhat similiar to DC Pete's. There could be an unintended consequence in the level of batter performance.

Feb. 25, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Mind explaining the "attitute problem", or just want to continue spewing unsubstantiated garbage.
Feb. 25, 2009
Elmo
Men's 50
69 posts
I also hit this ball on Field #1 using an old metal bat first. I believe that the ball came off better using this bat. Mike M told me that either bat, the composite or the metal hits well with this ball. Sad to say metal may the the future using this ball.
Feb. 25, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
elmo, just wondering. Why would that be sad? It's still softball isn't it?
Feb. 25, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts

"Mind explaining the "attitute problem", or just want to continue spewing unsubstantiated garbage."

and what is the crap you spew.please stay off any thread of mine as i don't care to hear from a non-participent like yourself,as you have not a thing to add to senior softball.
like i said you were CUT by a senior team.
Feb. 25, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
sad dog, thanks for showing what you really are better than I ever could have.
Feb. 25, 2009
Norq44
58 posts
Dirty, one of these days one of the MANY softball players you have insulted is going to have the opportunity to stand face to face with you. I hope to be there to see it.I would bet the farm that you will be singing a different tune than the one you sing on this board.
Feb. 25, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
That's hilarious. He posts a statement about me that when I ask him to substantiate it, he obviously can't, and then you run your mouth about me insulting someone.

Instead of "seeing it", why don't you want to be the one, tough guy?
Feb. 25, 2009
softball4b
Men's 60
756 posts
Unless you moved to Ohio and played recreational softball that opportunity would never avail itself.
Feb. 25, 2009
bogie
Men's 55
154 posts
Every high average hitter I know, places the ball to an open area of the defense, so I do not think it will change the averages that much. It probably will cut down extra base hits... on balls that travel fast to the fence, those balls that are hit in the gap, but otherwise, hitters that just try to hit it hard, without trying to place it or without a plan, will be most affected. I think homerun hitters will tend to fly out on the mishits, which I think is fair for those who swing away all the time. I did try an ASA freak 98 and thought my MM hit the that ball better. In fairness,I might add, I am in favor of using this ball, to cut out totally the middle out rule and I think it can be open homeruns for all divisions..I think the penalty for missing a ball when swinging away, will be an out, rather than a knuckleball homerun by the big hitters.
Feb. 25, 2009
4x4
Men's 65
595 posts
I also hit this ball on the field with the wind blowing straight in. I couldn't do much with it into the wind. Curt said it was "sizzling bacon" getting out of the infield as I was cranking it up trying to get a result. Observations - after talking to Curt the trick seems to be taking something off the swing. It seems the harder you hit it the less you get out of it. - a 20-30 something (with good pop) came and tried next and when he got to the outfield to shag his statement was that the ball was really going to ruin the game - when some of the less powerful hitters were hitting we could stand comfortably at about 250 in all fields with absolutely no fear of the ball being driven past/through us - I'm guessing on a ball that is not hit "just right" it's about 30-80 feet less distance depending on the hitter - I remarked to someone that it was like hitting the BP balls by Evil & and their reply was they didn't travel anywhere near as far as the BP balls.

I only took one round and didn't go to the field where Curt and Stony hit with the blowing out for the righties. Curt's correct - of the 4 field there that was the most neutral.

Observations only
Feb. 25, 2009
4x4
Men's 65
595 posts
Page two;

The impact of the ball might be less damaging on contact to an infielder but the ball still travels through the infield seemingly every bit as quickly.

Hitting them is a lot like the old restricted flight balls of years ago.
Feb. 25, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Bog,
Great comments.
What I find most troubling about this ball
is that hitting it well is counter intuitive.
You know what I mean being the fabulous instructor you are.
There's too much animal gratification and fundamental success in hitting
the crap out of a ball
whether, line drive, grounder or bomb.
To hit the middle of the ball is what we consciously and more importantly unconsciously are trying to do since we been babies.
Now, the new swing, except for monster strength
and skill guys like you
cannot possibly feel good because it runs
contrary to basic instincts involved.
It can't feel right/good to back off
on your swing to hit it farther/better.
The boxing analogy is the best.
You can't train a boxer not to hit
or want to hit with a slower punch.
Think about it.
It would ultimately weaken
the fighter in essence and effect.
Bogie, I love you.
Talk to you soon.




Feb. 25, 2009
hitt2
354 posts
This ball sounds more and more like the old gold dots used in the 90 which was also a flight restricted ball. Worked well with metaL bats
Feb. 25, 2009
MaverickAH
59 posts
Virtually every comment about the new ball has compared it to the old ball as far as hitting HRs. How would the new ball affect the 90+% of AA & AAA players who are singles hitters? With the new balls slower BBS, are the .600 singles hitters going to become .300 singles hitters?
This would be a huge problem since a lot of them would probably stop attending tourneys & many good singles hitters are also key defensive players like pitchers & shortstops.
Why no comments on this part of the new ball issue?

DCPete: Why would you think that a ball that makes a key defensive player's role actually MORE important drive them away from tournament play?

Pitchers should welcome this ball. Now they stand a chance of throwing a good location pitch & being rewarded with an out. No more "mis-hit" homeruns! A good shortstop will actually have a chance to impact a game defensively!

I see no downside if the 52/275 is introduced into the senior game. Other aspects of the game will become more important & that is as it should be!
Feb. 25, 2009
DCPete
235 posts
Maverick; haven't hit or even seen this new ball but for most senior players I know, hitting is the most enjoyable part of the game. Even the good defensive players get frustrated & discouraged when they're not hitting well. Forgetting about the HRs, if the new ball travels slower thru the infield, it might make the Singles Hitters ground balls & line drives become routine outs and they might lose interest in playing the game. Can't really say until we've actually tried it though.
Feb. 26, 2009
Elmo
Men's 50
69 posts
Dirty, It doesn't make any difference to me. I hit a homerun once in a while, but, most of the time I try to get a hit. I lead off for my team. I let the other guys hit the long ball. Also, I'll just use whatever bat I feel does the job.
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