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July 21, 2009
Dbax
Men's 60
1294 posts
SALT LAKE
Men's 50's Major....two teams!
50 Major+...one team....
How disappointing.
July 21, 2009
Husky71
Men's 50
25 posts
It is very disappointing to be the only 50 M+ team entered!! I am wondering how they will try to bracket this mess...!
July 21, 2009
Dbax
Men's 60
1294 posts
I see there is only one 40's team also. I figure we will all be in seeding or round robin games together. Maybe with some 55 teams too.
July 21, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
Too many tournaments all over to pick from, and too close together in a lousy economy, makes for a poor showing.
I doubt the contractual arrangements with all the entities took into account or had provisions for the economy when they signed them.
Nothing like hindsight.
July 21, 2009
udaplaya
91 posts
i think that SSUSA needs to develop more local tournaments, in addition to the regional and national ones that currently exist - i.e., brand loyalty.

i suspect the uncertainty in the economy is the biggest factor, but i must ask if part of this is a backlash from the hr and pp rules changes that were implemented this year. For teams that are on the bubble as to whether to go or not, it could make a difference.

eventually, i feel certain that there will be a merging of major+ and major into one division, and the sooner that happens, the better for all concerned.

i play for a west coast 50 major team that is self sponsored and we only go to the sure-thing events (Reno, States, and Worlds)nowadays as draws like SLC scare us off.
July 21, 2009
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
I have a plane ticket purchased a few months ago. After Reno when we asked around we could not get a feel for attendance. We weren't going to spend money without all of the other teams coming. I think the Cal Cup in Northern Cal the week after is impacting this tourney more than rules.
July 21, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
Look at the T listings, SSUSA offers many in CA.
Primarily Q's but many "Ring T's" as well that are drive-able. More down south than up north but some good ones at both.
I agree on\with the merger but it has pro's and cons to it from all sides, and below will be effected also.
Well with only 1 team in a division... no one, REALLY wins.


July 21, 2009
SoCal'er
68 posts
I think that SSUSA and SPA still conflict with each other on some major tourney's ,with neither drawing good.
Another fact is that the entry fee's to these have become unrealistic to self sponsered teams. We all love to play but after a while you have to justify money spent for what your getting in return. Try putting a figuer on how much each at bat is costing you.
We enjoy going to the big tourney's to play against teams we don't see locally.
I realize there is more enjoyment than that but playing locally gives you some of the same benifits.
Another issue is,buying your award (ie ring) if you are fortunate to win one.
July 21, 2009
Gekle BUilders
Men's 50
204 posts
We also are canceling flights and rooms for a two team major plus bracket.But the up side is we will replace it with a 5 or 6 team (M+)bracket in Manassas Aug. 15-17 come on out,the deadline has been extended.We will be coming to Vegas and Phoenix and the TOC.You have to collaborate a little a follow the pack.
July 21, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
Just another example of why Major and Major-plus need to be combined! Not many even if they were combined for this one. Economy a factor, obviously. Another factor is Salt Lake, get it out of there and back to Reno!
July 21, 2009
Dbax
Men's 60
1294 posts
No need to go to Reno twice.
July 21, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
OK, anywhere else besides Salt Lake City!
July 22, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
USSSA event\locations in CA
Men's "D-Rec" July 25/26 Twin-Creeks

Men's "E" Aug 1/2 Twin Creeks

Men's B Aug 1 -Fremont, CA

Women's C/D Aug 1/2 Concord, CA

Men's C Aug 8th Fremont, CA

**North West Nationals Aug 29/30 Men's Twin Creeks
Women's Concord,CA $330 for Women's

These will all be 3gg events
July 22, 2009
Husky71
Men's 50
25 posts
It looks like SLC is not a good spot for the Western Nationals as there has been a poor turnout 2 years in a row compared to what it was in Reno... Maybe the lousy economy makes it worse this year but last year wasn't a big field either...
July 22, 2009
Tate22
Men's 55
263 posts
Amen - Jawood and Udaplaya. It's not the rules or the location, it is SSUSA's obsession with having a Major Plus division and all of the ridiculous scheduling that follows. As said many times by many voices, there are one too many divisions at the top.

Currently, there are five 55 M teams entered for SLC. We (OLR Nighthawks 55 M+)decided not to go when none of the other Western 55 M+ teams were going. We knew we would be jammed into some other age group. If M & M+ were combined, we would go knowing that we would play five other very good 55 teams. SSUSA doesn't see it that way, however.

Last year as Evolution we were the only 50 M+ team in SLC (MTC 50's ,we know your pain) Instead of allowing us to play against the nine 50 M teams we were forced to play the best 40's team in the country and Ruth's very good 55 M+ team. Apparently, it was safer to have us (half of us were 55 last year)play against the 40's (some being 15 years younger)than to play against our own age group. I know Ruth's wasn't real happy either about having nobody in their division. Same thing in Mesquite this year, we paid a lot of money and drove a long way to play two 50 M+ teams when we could have been playing against 9 55 M teams.

Although no classification system is perfect, the 5-year age groups are by far the most reliable division for the vast majority of us senior players. Current rules provide adquate equalizaiton within an age group to allow M+ & M to combine. M+ classification serves to quarantine strong teams and discourage participation in a major SSUSA event that qualifies teams for the national championship game and triple crown. SSUSA, it IS broke, so please fix it.
Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55 M+
July 22, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
Tate 22 is the truth!
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