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Discussion: Nashville meeting

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Dec. 4, 2009
JamesLG
303 posts
Nashville meeting

Hi All:

Does anybody know the results of the senior summit meeting? I see the new version of the PPR rule and I believe this one will be difficult on the umpires as was last year's rule.

Thank You:

James
Dec. 4, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
JamesLG,

It wasnt a summit meeting but the national meeting for ss/usa.

I agree with you 100%.
Dec. 4, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Don't forget ISA.
Dec. 4, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
taits,

You are correct ISA also.
Dec. 4, 2009
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Butch you were at the meeting I take it, interesting process. Trying to get my arms around the closing of the CA and FL borders. Impacts the team I play for especially since we were looking at building over a long term. It is what it is you work with the rules presented to you. I would guess we will hear how this opens up doors for competition I wouldn't subscribe to that theory. That would assume the competition has its act together. The NO FLY ZONE will certainly provide some entertainment.
Dec. 4, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
Joe,

Yes I was there but only attended one morning session when ppr rule was discussed along with illegal bat issue.

After lunch break only voting members and directors were present.

Joe thought you were going?

Dec. 4, 2009
JamesLG
303 posts

Well I see the SSUSA Rules Committee items were posted and low and behold not much has changed for the majority of players. The only HR rule that was touched was for M+. I guess the one up option was not in the cards. This is not the same game as when I started playing nearly 7 years ago but is it better for the majority of players? I don't think so.

Thank You:

James
Dec. 4, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
Joe

If you want e-mail me @ direct17bob@aol.com
Dec. 4, 2009
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Butch money is very tight. Also as you probably noticed in my posts I have taken a strong interest in Las Vegas softball. My local interest did not seem to mesh with national stuff. SSUSA has a strong presence in Vegas already. Also as long as rules are uniformly applied what they may be is not that interesting any more.
Dec. 4, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
Joe,

I believe it is good someone like you has taken an interest in Las Vegas softball and I agree about the rules.
Dec. 4, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
And yes it was an interesting process in the least.
Dec. 4, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
They also discussed the flip-flop rule which got vetoed.
Dec. 5, 2009
Jano23
Men's 50
95 posts
Where are these new rules revealed?
Dec. 5, 2009
kbl
Men's 60
529 posts
jANO23--JUST LOOK AT THE TOP OF THIS PAGE. 1ST DISCUSSION UNDER "PRIORITY", NASHVILLE MEETING. KEN
Dec. 5, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
To clarify about my earlier post( flip-flop rule)

There was a flip-flop rule last
year when both managers agreed
and it is still the same. The mandatory

flip-flop rule was voted down.
Dec. 5, 2009
turn2
486 posts
What is every ones take on them closing down Florida and California? With these states not being able to draw outside players will this hurt the existing teams from these 2 states and surrounding states?
I know of a couple major plus teams that will lose some great ball players because they draw from outside of these 2 areas.
Later
Donnie
Dec. 5, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2667 posts
Does anyone have a reason SSUSA closed the boarders to Fl and Ca?
I, along with two other players will be affected on our 60 team. I know of several other teams either based in the Florida Panhandle with Ala and Georgia players or teams in Ala and Ga with players that live in the Fl Panhandle.
Will the pandlehandle of Fl be exempt like it was a few years ago?
Do you think SSUSA wanted to break up power houses in Florida and California? Will this rule break up the Mavericks?
Dec. 6, 2009
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
Donnie, IMO; this ''OLD'' rule, CA. & FL. rule will affect almost all the 60 major plus teams on the west coast, except MR. RUTH"S team. GSF will suffer the most. 5 players living in CA...our farewell tour will begin in Menifee in Jan. 2010.....thanks SSUSA for breaking up the nicest bunch of guys I have ever played softball with!!
Dec. 6, 2009
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
Joe...the new pitcher protection rule will wipe out 90% of the double plays for the pitcher. Line drive hit at the pitcher, catch it and double the runner off a base...this will no longer happen. Ground ball hit to the pitcher, flip to 2nd, turn a double play...no longer, DBO.....WOW nice rule change SSUSA
Dec. 6, 2009
lazer larry
Men's 50
96 posts
Butch, this is like our country, the big shots vote there own raises but we pay all the taxes. don't consult with the people. Nobody likes the PPR rule. Was you team contacted, ours wasn't. I was excited to play senior ball 4 years ago. Not that excited with all the B/S rule changes. Just ask all the pitchers or like someone said, leave it up to the manages before the game and let them decide.

Is anybody that has anything to do with the rules listening to the players/managers. They need to before they run everybody away. Take your money guys and spend it elsewhere. Stick, thanks for the e-mail, you got me thinking on the plus side again. I'm ready to get dusty and dirty again, well more like muddy and frozen now. Maybe have a few beers in the parking lot, they don't get as warm as fast now. Happy Holidays and be safe to the whole Senior Softball Family, future and existing friends made from this game. Lazer Larry 11 Coors Light
Dec. 6, 2009
Airbosn
Men's 65
321 posts
Bruce, I believe that the committee did not look at panhandle (Pensacola to Tallahasse) population. The teams in my area depend on Alabama and Georgia for players. Well, I guess we will play nothing but SPA.
Dec. 6, 2009
Webbie25
Men's 60
1985 posts
I also disagree with the PPE rule. We have tried it in Albuquerque with lines on either side of the mound and it just didn't work. The pitcher is no longer a factor-a lot of double plays disappeared and hitters changed to avoid hitting anywhere near the middle. IF the feelings are that strong about it, then send a message by not playing the tournaments. That should get their attention faster than anything. If it is only a few bloggers here that feel that way and tournaments continue to draw a lot of teams, then we have voted by participation. I hope they reconsider the rule.
As far as the FLA/Cal rule, let me play devil's advocate here. The only way to be really fair about it would be to establish a 'population base rule'. Say California has a 10 million population base between 50-75. and we establish that as a 'norm', then Albuquerque, NM should be able to create a 'population circle' around it that would grow in size until it encompasses 10 million people. With roughly 500,000 in New Mexico, the circle could include Texas, Colorado, Utah, and Arizona (app. 12 million according to Wikipedia). It is interesting that it worked out so closely to the 'touching another state' rule. However, Florida has a population of 5.4 million. Shouldn't they be able to stretch out to approximately the same 10-12 million number? Touching states (Georgia and Alabama) plus Mississippi or South Carolina could bring it close. They would be close to the NM total. Interesting that this also shows Florida is getting the short end of the stick on that rule. Just goes to show that trying to even the playing field is pretty tough. You could spend many hours trying to pin down the 'fair population circle' for each state, or even each city. Whew! Now I have a headache from this.
Dec. 6, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
lazer larry,

Yes i was invited by mail to attend meeting. I didnt get there till Wed. nite because I thought the open meeting was Thurs. but it was Wedsday.

I was allowed my opinion and set in the morning meeting on Thursday heard discussions and got to speak about PPR.

There was a motion to get rid of ppr and it passed but then someone made a motion to write a new rule.Then we broke for lunch and only directors and the people that vote were allowed back after lunch so I do not know what transpired at that time.

We used that rule in our league in Indy and it was horrible so I think you know where I stand on the new rule.

I will tell you the same thing I told them I have no personal agenda I just want what is good for all of softball not just one age or division and this new rule is not good for softball. Good-bye double plays.

In the post at the top lists the members of the committee that votes everyone needs to send each one of them an e-mail with your thoughts.
Dec. 6, 2009
JamesLG
303 posts

I don't think there is any doubt that the people who make the rules could care less what most of us paying players want. Maybe there are a group of players that are heard loud and clear but do they participate on this board? SSUSA is evolving into a very soft game where rules dictate outcomes instead of talent and tenacity.

James
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