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Discussion: Be very careful what you wish for

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May 28, 2010
DCPete
234 posts
Be very careful what you wish for
Our local leagues are using the 52/275 ball this year with U-trip bats. Last weekend we played in a SSUSA tournament with 44/375 balls & Ultra 2 bats. In an informal poll, 100% of the players said they preferred playing with the Ultras & 44/375 balls. These were 55 & 60 AAA & Major players and included several pitchers. Players said the game was more exciting & more fun with the Ultras & the better balls.
In addition to the reduced performance, there seem to be intangible problems with the 52/275 ball; namely it doesn't make any sound when you hit it and doesn't give the batter any feedback, ie a hard line drive doesn't feel any different than a weak ground ball.
Not hating but just saying . . .
May 28, 2010
ffdonnie
Men's 50
95 posts
Joe care to comment? Woohahahah.

Seriously, played a tourny earlier this year with the 40 cor ball and it absolutely sucked. DCPete is correct, be very careful what you wish for.
May 29, 2010
JohnBob
Men's 60
248 posts
What about trying the 52/275 ball with the senior bats?
May 29, 2010
Smokey20
Men's 55
102 posts
Was involed in tne 52/275 ball demo last year in Northern Cailf.

Mini tournament, summer day, high 80's. Teams were rated AAA to Major Plus. 50-60 age group. Senior rules on bats.

There wasn't a player in the end that would endorse the 52/275. The managers of each team said "gven a choice they would not enter a tournament using the demo'd ball".

In all fairness to Joe, his statement of "majority of players" has merrit. To this day I haven't found anyone that's actually hit this ball recommend it over current equipment.

Suggestion...Have a 52/275 ball bracket in a few tournaments and see how many teams sign up.

BC
May 29, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Bottom line as I see it is that players would just rather play with good equipment, & balls are a part of that,
BUT the constant changes being made for one basic reason, SAFETY is the thing lacking here there is no real safe method without changing something... So what is there available to change... You almost got different balls last year in ssusa for this year unless the balls on hand were sufficient to supply the T's.
Just the equipment.
That said the INSURANCE industry is getting involved largely due to data on balls about bat speed off the bats and reaction time whether of not a person has the reflexes to react. The injuries are playing a part of it no matter what. They are a driving force that will be looked at largely via the cities with the parks who are also at risk.
Many cities look at ASA for what is happening, and go from there. They are the deciding force in reality unless someone has the bucks to insure themselves and take it on.
A couple assn's have their own source but the underwriters may view it differently next year.
Senior bats start from the U-2 as the "leader" and go down from there as it were. Though I feel many others are just as good if not even more durable which many are.
I'm sure there will still be many T's out there where we will still be able to use good stuff but you will have to look for them. not all tell you up front what balls or rules will be in place up front.
May 29, 2010
Smokey20
Men's 55
102 posts
Taits,
I umpire as well as still play with the "kids". The equipment I see is stupid. USSSA, NSA and ASA are shaved bat city. Rarely do you see clean equipment. Atleast in Seniors you see/know what you,re up against.



May 29, 2010
ffdonnie
Men's 50
95 posts
Taits, a couple of years ago we were using 44\400 balls. Now we use 44\375, isn't that a compromise? A good one, but still a compromise. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
May 30, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Smokey20,
I still play with them and your right, but the bats are also in out games.

ffdonnie,
Those are really the same ball. Contact me is you wish for more info on balls:
tait_ebay@yahoo.com
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