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Discussion: TOC Tournament Dates

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Feb. 21, 2011
kuuup22
3 posts
TOC Tournament Dates
I would like to know why the TOC can't be at the time Ft. Myers is and vice-versa. It makes more sense to have the TOC as the last tournament of the calendar year, and Ft. Myers as the first tournament of the coming season. Your roster would be set for TOC instead of inviting members of your next year team for Ft. Myers and then re-assembling your last year team for TOC in February, not to mention everyone will still be in game shape in November, unlike February when cold weather teams don't get to play for 2 months. Another issue is weather. It was cold and iffy in Feb. and the dinner was a disaster because of it. Does anyone else feel the same way? KUUUP 22
Feb. 22, 2011
kbl
Men's 60
523 posts
kuuup22--contracts--call sacramento for more...ken
Feb. 22, 2011
wagon487
Men's 50
507 posts
i would like to have them switched also.
I don't think they would get a good turnout in FEB if it wasn't the TOC.
Maybe that's one reason it stays the same. Also, 50 major, two teams from MD and NJ came in first and second, beating teams from AZ, FL, GA, VA and KS. Mostly warm weather states.
55 major winner was from NJ.
Feb. 24, 2011
dand
Men's 65
13 posts
I agree.
Feb. 24, 2011
kbl
Men's 60
523 posts
the "warm" state winners vs. "cold" state winners were even in wins.

60AA beat teams from Texas and California and Florida. ken
Feb. 24, 2011
Brett
Men's 55
245 posts
wagon487, FYI - there was no 50 major team from KS.
Feb. 24, 2011
tg69
294 posts
I thought Metro Stars won the 50 major and they were from Va.
Feb. 24, 2011
Brett
Men's 55
245 posts
wagon487 must have been referring to the 55 major divsion instead of the 50 major division.
Feb. 24, 2011
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2582 posts
I believe that Wagon was refering to the 50 major plus team, the KC Barons.
Feb. 24, 2011
wagon487
Men's 50
507 posts
Okay, first Metro Stars are based out of VA, half of us live in MD so I'm always saying we are from MD. And yes Bruce, I was thinking of the KC Barons.
Are they from Kansas City? And Sweet won the 55 majors, from NJ. With High Street Bucs coming in second, from MD.
So to recap, the cold weather states won the 50 major and 55 major. Just about everything else was won by a warm weather state. And I should have put MO instead of KS, my bad!
Feb. 24, 2011
kbl
Men's 60
523 posts
WAGON487-the TOC winners were split 9-9(excluding 1 div. with all florida teams and the 80s) warm states and cold states. ken
Feb. 24, 2011
Brett
Men's 55
245 posts
The KC Barons are based out of Missouri.
Feb. 24, 2011
Brett
Men's 55
245 posts
We had not played or praciced since the SSWC back in October. We were missing several key players and the weather here is not conducive to practicing outdoors between Novembver and April.
Feb. 24, 2011
wagon487
Men's 50
507 posts
Brett, we (metro stars) were missing out starting SS and our starting LFC got hurt after the first game.
We also never got to practice outdoors, we went to the indoor bating cages, that's all we did. I'm sure you have some out in your neck of the woods. All the teams from the northeast had the same problems you did. It seems like all the major teams were missing players.
After reading your post, it seems like you were making excuses for not doing well. Which leads me to my next questions, why didn't you pass on the TOC?
Feb. 24, 2011
wagon487
Men's 50
507 posts
Brett, we went down to get warm, have some fun and hopefully play well. I'm sure that's why all the teams go down.
Including you guys, it's a long season and it's just started, i'm sure you guys will win your share of tourneys!
Didn't mean to give you a hard time in the above post!
Feb. 24, 2011
Brett
Men's 55
245 posts
The TOC is hardly worth the time when it boils down to playing a best 2 out of 3 against the only other team in your division. Only two 50+ major plus teams is a poor turnout. It's also difficult for our team to win in pool games against major division teams when we have to spot 5 runs, especially when we haven't been practicing in 3 months. We are not in the top of the food chain in the major plus division. I for one think major and major plus should be combined in to one division with no run spotting. I'm not making excuses for our team's poor performance. It's just not a tournament that suits our team very well for a number of reasons.
Feb. 24, 2011
Jawood
Men's 50
784 posts
Brett, I couldn't agree with you more on EVERY one of your comments. We have been harping on these points for years, it's so obvious to everyone directly involved. You are not making excuses imo, you are pointing out that there is not any difference between upper Major and Major-plus.

Feb. 26, 2011
smooth01
Men's 50
120 posts
Or any difference between lower Major and upper AAA,maybe all divisions need to be re-classified.
Feb. 26, 2011
Corky
Men's 55
444 posts
Kuuup and Brett, you guys are spot on with your assessment of how and when the TOC should be played. There are 2 threads on this board addressing this issue. I also believe the number of teams attending in Nov would be greater. We've had 3 bids and have not attended one, because of those reasons you laid out. It seems to be falling on deaf ears. Having missed 3 opportunities our team has made it a goal to qualify and go this year so we can at least say we've done it. Prepared or not.
Feb. 26, 2011
Jawood
Men's 50
784 posts
In November, we would consider going to the TOC. In February, we have never even considered it and never will. Of course we would have to see if they can have more than a two team tournament!
Feb. 26, 2011
Omar Khayyam
958 posts
There are two predictable human factors that really work against having this tournament 3 or 4 months after the season, instead of in the same year.

First, over a season, men have built a camaraderie and understand each otherís strengths and weaknesses. There is a noticeable team spirit on winning teams, especially those qualifying for the TOC. At year end, some guys are older and move up; new teams are formed and some guys leave to play with a different team; younger guys newly eligible are brought in and take an older playerís starting spot. Now itís February, and former team members are just not in the mood to play with the old teammates, and new members donít know the others well.

Second, finances may be a bit strained after a year of travelling to play, but the chance to be in the TOC results in pushing the budget a bit, cutting back some on Christmas, etc. Guys will take on the extra expense to extend the season and have a chance to win it all. Playing the next year is a whole new situation at home with potential wife complaints; paying off holiday debts; trying to justify a February tournament expense when you have little expectation of winning because of team changes (or inactivity), etc.
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