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Discussion: TOP GUN A TOP SHELF MESS

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Feb. 27, 2011
teetime
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TOP GUN A TOP SHELF MESS
What a shame the top gun tourney was the weather man isnt always right but this storm was one that everyone knew was coming for over a week and it seemed they [the weather watchers]were all 110% sure about this one yet this tournament went on ignoring these weeklong spot on predictions as a result teams from as far as new york got only 2 friday games my team was told sat morn to wait until sat at noon for an update as it was raining now for 8 straight hrs then at noon they said to wait for another update sunday morning even though it was still raining we even went to the fields to see they were a no brainer to cancel the event so as we scratched our heads and felt the pinch in our wallets we were stuck and forced to stay nother night in the hotel and then at approx 6 pm sat!they pull the plug on playing sunday WOW another great decision are u kidding me ssusa what an avoidable waist of time and money my team spent approx 300 each for everything and we are some of the lucky ones having drove 2-3 hrs to get there what the new york team spent is nuts somebody should have stepped up and stopped this mess b4 it started this was a real SHAME and we all hope a lesson is learned and that many good customers get an apology and some restitution
Feb. 27, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4403 posts
Sorry to read this.
Am really sorry about the team from NY and those from out of the area. OUCH on cost.
If your lucky enough to have good weather in Jan or Feb, count you're blessing. Even in Mar or April can bring disappointment, but on this one I think all the signs were there and the Doppler radar showed it coming before Thurs.
Usually better weather in so ca than up north but when it comes it comes.
Having teams show up I think just adds to the pain.
Weather is unpredictable and money spent with nothing to really show for it is something to think about later on.
Come to the liquid sunshine state, in certain months.
Feb. 27, 2011
OTE24
Men's 65
123 posts
SSUSA doesn't care. Had an issue with them earlier this year,they never had the class or courtesy to respond to letters or emails. Pay and shut-up,that's their motto!
John Sadler
former manager/Double Edge 60s
Feb. 27, 2011
Jawood
Men's 50
800 posts
A couple people there will answer emails, some will not!
Feb. 27, 2011
Marv19
Men's 60
450 posts
Even Karnack knew it was coming :O) They were building hail snow men at the NHRA Winternationals in Pomona Saturday. But you wait next weekend it will be gorgeous. This is So California in the winter.
Feb. 28, 2011
Tate22
Men's 55
264 posts
It should be pointed out that Rick Seifman, tournament director, did everything he could to deal with the situation in a classy professional manner. He was available, communicative, and tried every contingency he could. We were fortunate to get in 3 games Friday, because Rick adjusted the schedule anticipating weather issues. We were disappointed to not get the whole thing in, but what can you do? It's real easy to 2nd guess, but if you were there as I was, what exactly would any of you done differently? Cancel? In So CA it was just as likely that the storm passed through without impacting the event. If cancelled, then what? Reschedule? Marv knows how difficult it is to get fields. I recall the first So Cal SSA event last year. You went as long as you could as well, but the weather was even worse. I had to eat a hotel room then, but why would I bitch at your association. Stuff happens!! Don't schedule at this time of year? Sunday it was clear and beautiful. Truth be told, the Poway fields might have been playable Sunday if they were better constructed for drainage in the infields.
JMHO
Don Newhard
Nighthawks
Feb. 28, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
tate22 i think you hit the nail on the head,have to be there to understand the situation.i used to play at poway when i used to lived there,and yes they do hold water some,to bad when fields are built they don't take that into their plans...
Feb. 28, 2011
Omar Khayyam
1004 posts
Feel sorry for the San Diego guys and their tournament being washed out. Played in Palm Springs earlier in the month. Similar forecast week before of rain one or two days, but when tournament arrived, it was gorgeous, in the 70s. Can't tell with the weather and no TD can control that. Not much comfort for guys who travel a long way, only to sit in their cars or hotel and stare at the falling rain. It's softball life, although better in California than in most locales.
Feb. 28, 2011
fx
6 posts
while weather cannot be controlled, in a situation like this a business must take a loss and restore a percentage of its take to the teams that showed. this can easily take the form of a credit to a future tournament. the tournament was called saturday at around 6pm, yet sunday was a sunny, dry and breezy day. with some effort it may have been possible to get some playing time.
to a lesser extent, i found it unusual that in a 4 team mixed bracket with 3 teams finishing 2W 1L the standings were based on least runs scored against for the team finishing 1st, then head to head for 2nd/3rd when 3 defeated 1.
nevertheless.....how 'bout some credit toward a future event this year! the event was a complete and utter wash and waste.
Feb. 28, 2011
Omar Khayyam
1004 posts
fx, don't disagree with you. When a tournament is as washed out as this one, I think all teams should get a partial credit toward a future tournament. Challenge is that not every location hosts more than one tournament a year, so that credit may be a long time coming. And if SSUSA holds the tournament, then the credit should be given toward any other tournament on the SSUSA schedule.
March 1, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4403 posts
Don't count on any credit. Read the rule for weather etc, 15.1 & 15.2 you may glance at .3 & 4 as well.
Wet Football conditions, really safe, slip and slide games.
March 1, 2011
Easy E
Men's 55
44 posts
FYI

Just so that you know ... SSUSA has decided to give us a credit towards our next " Championship" Tournament because of the mess that we had this past weekend.This was a message that was sent out on yesterday from our CEO Anna Smit of the DoublePlay Classic 55 team. So SSUSA did offer a refund to the teams that didn't win. I live in San diego and yes it's rare that we get rained out, but it happens.See you in ST George.

Easy E #42

March 1, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4403 posts
Hopefully that will ease some of the pain or relative cost from the event.
March 1, 2011
fx
6 posts
all you can ask for is that all parties be fair and reasonable...and a partial credit is both. thanks to those responsible for stepping up.
March 1, 2011
Tate22
Men's 55
264 posts
Hey E, how much did you guys get so I know how much these T-shirts are worth! LOL. Agree that a partial refund was in order. We got three games in on Friday, so I guess 2/5ths credit would be fair. @fx - for the recored the fields were unplayable on Sunday even though the weather was beautiful. The composition of the infield did not allow for absorption and drainage. Better to err on the side of safety.
March 1, 2011
magic #25
Men's 40
14 posts
What gets me is the 40's are a two day schedule sat/sun. When i called SSUSA on thursday all los angeles tourneys have been cancelled. I was told you must show up game time at the field then changes or cancellations will occur. so we are forced to keep our flights and hotels sit in Poway and 8pm sat night get notified tourney cancelled. Big waste for us!!!
March 1, 2011
Easy E
Men's 55
44 posts
Hey Don, you will have to call Anna to find out exactly how much we got a credit for.She just sent out the message to all of us so that we would play again,because we had some pretty upset ballplayers.
March 1, 2011
magic #25
Men's 40
14 posts
What gets me is the 40's are a two day schedule sat/sun. When i called SSUSA on thursday all los angeles tourneys have been cancelled. I was told you must show up game time at the field then changes or cancellations will occur. so we are forced to keep our flights and hotels sit in Poway and 8pm sat night get notified tourney cancelled. Big waste for us!!!
March 2, 2011
HITS#17VC
4 posts
Congradulations to SSUSA!!! You would think with each mistake you guys make you would actually learn from them BUT NO you stick true to your ways and continue to SCREW THINGS UP!
As this is my 2nd year in 40's I can tell you (SSUSA) In my opinion- YOUR MANAGEMENT TEAM ON THE WEST COAST MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL MANAGEMENT TRAINING!! You have a director noted on your website (Carl- San Diego Rep) who does not answer his cell phone, return voice mail, return texts or respond to email!!!
If your reading this, PAY ATTENTION! you have a 40's division that is growing nationwide and us babyboomers are used to having relationships where communications are informative and keep you updated!!!!
USE IT OR LOSE IT! Your not the only game in town! The a OTHER SANCTIONING BODIES (BIG ONES!)that are growing thier 40's & 50's Divisions!They charge less and give better prizes!

IT'S NOT HARD TO RUN TOURNAMENTS!!! Time consumming, YES! But there are WAY TOO MANY RESOURCES around for you to not get this right. GOODLUCK!


Show us teams that came out to your tourney in San Diego that you do care about more than just trying to squeeze a dime out of us by continuing to try to get this tourney in when EVERBODY (INCLUDING THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE!!) Knew saturday was a 100% chance of rain from 1/2" to 1"!

Show your willing to own up to your mistakes and REFUND THE MONEY EACH PERSON SPENT GETTING THERE AND THEN WAITING THERE FOR YOUR DIRECTOR TO CALL IT CANCELLED ON SATURDAY NIGHT AT 8PM!!!

Please start by refunding me the $300.00 I spent for the weekend :) Thanks in advance!
March 2, 2011
Jawood
Men's 50
800 posts
SSUSA gives lip service to 40+, the majority of their efforts goes towards 50 on up. Other associations are much more in tune with the 40+ needs. SSUSA is better than the other associations once you get to 50, although the prizes don't get better. Hang in there.
March 3, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4403 posts
It is my understanding that the 40's didn't get in any games and were given a couple options for refunds.
The team managers usually are the ones who deal with the TD, and the TD with the assn.
As far as only game in town, your right and some very good ones for sure.
However watching those guys and playing with them I do know they used illegal bats.
That is not to say they all do, but they are use them for sure.
But I too sure would have been pissed off whether I came from next door or all the way from NY. Those are the ones who pain dearly.
As they say; 'He who casts the first stone' etc.
SSUSA did not have to do this, but they did, and after your remark it wouldn't surprise me if it never happened gain.
All one can do is remember it or forget & go on.
One thing down south is hat here are many assn's there and some really nice parks. Not the case up north only a few nice ones.
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