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Discussion: Old Spice Presents: You make the call, Part 574

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June 6, 2011
stick8
1299 posts
Old Spice Presents: You make the call, Part 574
Before I describe this scenario 4 things to keep in mind: 1)this didn't occur in a senior game, it was a regular mens league
2)this is lower level rec league
3)I didn't see this play, this was described to me by another umpire
4)yes, I was told this really happened .
Runners on 2nd and 3rd, 1 out. Ground ball in the hole to short. Shortstop makes a nice backhanded play and throws home to try and get runner A attempting to score from third. The throw short-hops the catcher and skips to the backstop. Trying to avoid being tagged out Runner A swerves & does not touch home plate. As the catcher is scrambling to retrieve the errant throw runner A's teammates are screaming at him to touch home plate. At the same time runner B who was on second has rounded third and is attempting to score. The catcher retrieves the ball and moves to tag out runner B. As the catcher attempts to tag runner B, runner A moves to touch home plate and in doing so accidently bumps into the catcher attempting to tag out runner B and jars the ball loose. What's the call on this play? Should there be a special call on this play?
June 6, 2011
jim16
Men's 65
173 posts
Stick, This is a terrific rules question. My thinking is that the whole play evolves around the runner from third. As you described the play , I dont think the runner did anything wrong. He avoided a collision on his first pass by the plate and had an obligation to touch home and he had to do it before the second runner scored. You stated that he "accidently" bumped the catcher, this means that he didnt attempt to dislodge the ball, he just attempted to score. I say no interference and the play stands, both runners safe.
June 6, 2011
Gary33
143 posts
Did the second runner tag the plate before the first runner?
June 6, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
683 posts
If there is a rule that you can not run over the catcher then I would think that run A is out for violating the rule. Accidental or not if the rule is in place the runner A is out. If no rule is in place both runners are safe. If the rule is there then runner A is out dead ball runner B goes back to third. Thanks Harry
June 7, 2011
neck10
498 posts
both runners safe incidental contact couldnt happen in senior leauge dont use the same home plat you be out as soon as you touched it
June 7, 2011
doker
Men's 60
168 posts
NOW THAT WUD BE A TOUGH ONE TO CALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..I believe it wud be runner interference and the closest runner to home wud be called out....also the runner committing the interference shud be called out.....The catcher obviously was unaware the runner had missed the plate so he was trying to tag the incoming runner......and the first runner must have hit the catcher hard enough to jar the ball loose thus the interference from behind the catcher...possible judgement call on the second runner by umpire if he thought the 1st interfered with the catcher enough to prevent the 2nd runner from being out....
June 7, 2011
stick8
1299 posts
Jim16, remember a runner cannot interfere or impede a fielder.
Gary33, don't know.
Birdie, there is a rule in USSSA that specifically says you can't run over a catcher.
Neck10, correct. That's why i specifically wrote it was in a mens league
Doker, the ump who asked me what i would call stated he called interference on runner A. Hard to say what I'd call not seeing the play but I'm inclined to agree with doker. A runner cannot physically interfere with a defensive player attempting to make a play, even if it's accidental.
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