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Discussion: Very Disappointed in Rock N Reno

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June 7, 2011
softballlady
25 posts
Very Disappointed in Rock N Reno
This is my first national tournament that was advertised as a double elimination , 3 game guarantee, and it wasn't provided due to rain. If there was time to play 5 inning games to some teams, there was time to play 1 pitch games for all. There was also a short field at Centennial Park where women could have played with a home run limit, and there were no puddles on that field. I traveled from the East Coast and spent estimated 800 dollars to play. I got 4 games on saturday , 2 pool play and 2 in the double elimination. That is 200 dollars a game if you want to break it down to cost. I would have been satisfied if we got to lose our second game in the 3 game guaratee bracket. What are other players opinions on this? I played in a lot of tournaments and most go to a one pitch if a rain situation happens...or we were called late at night and started early the next morning....
June 7, 2011
canIjack
Men's 60
321 posts
Sorry to hear that, Bad weather will change ones weekend dreams around. If you keep playing and traveling this will happen from time to time.
June 7, 2011
softballlady
25 posts
I wouldnt of minded if every effort was made to let us play....when some teams are playing and some are not, there is something wrong with that....
June 7, 2011
ShaneV
Men's 55
381 posts
Average high for Reno late May, early June is 79-80. Last 3 years highs were above average, 85-90, great weather and field conditions, with some of the usual wind. This year was very unusual. We (55AAA) played in snow and wind Saturday-Sunday May 28-29. A little better Monday May 30. I umpired mid-week and the 65's and up played in 40-45 degrees and 30-40 mph winds. The rain and temperatures this last weekend were very unusual for CA-NV this time of year. Weather is the one thing SSUSA cannot control. Great job on everything else SSUSA!!!!!!!!!!!

ShaneV
June 7, 2011
Dbax
Men's 60
1247 posts
I was at the Carson City complex on Sunday morning. Fields were in bad shape. The tournament director advised they only had 7 bags of Diamond Dust and they could not get the fields playable. At this point it had stopped raining. No one was at the complex before the 8 a.m. scheduled start trying to get the fields playable.

The decision to take the top 4 women's teams and move them to Golden Eagle was made in approx. 30 minutes. It should be noted that no team had been eliminated from the bracket play yet. This screwed 4 teams that were still in it. One of them came from Maryland!

Softballlady is correct in saying that the lower fields at Centennial Park did look playable. No one even considered checking them out.

After the decision was made to take the top 4, the sun came out and it actually got warm. A couple of hours of delay to work on the fields and get them playable, in my opinion would have been possible. The point is, no one even tried. It was, sorry about that, thanks for coming.

I was in Reno/Carson City and Tahoe all week long. Anyone could check the weather forecast and could see that they were calling for rain late on Saturday night. The women played in a drizzle from about 3 pm to 9 pm. If I had been director, and knew it was going to rain all night, I would have played 5 inning games on Saturday and gotten through as much of the bracket as possible. This complex is in the middle of nowhere and lights would not affect any residential area. I'm sure every player would have voted for this instead of being told, sorry, you have no chance of coming through the losers bracket and winning.

And I know this will bring laughs from SSUSA, but partial refunds are in order regardless of what your rules state. It is the right thing to do for the teams that are loyal to your association. If not a refund, maybe a credit for the next tourney entered.
June 7, 2011
softballlady
25 posts
There were mens teams that were very mad also....I play in many tournaments, usssa coed and womens, asa womens and coed, and senior ball. I never had a director eliminate teams from a tourney. When they cancel they usually reschedule or give us a credit towards the next tournament. I know you cant control the weather, but you sure can try to get the fields playable or start early in the morning on the turf fields. Call the teams at night , since it was raining when we left and tell them get to the turf fields early am.....or continue to play through the nite....
June 8, 2011
bam77
22 posts
I am on the roster for one of the teams from Maryland. The fields in Carson City were a mess, we all agree. Weather cannot be changed, we all agree. What I am most disappointed about is that Women's AA got to continue. They were moved from San Rafael to Shadow Mountain. Correct me if I am wrong, but AA teams have been ranked (they know where their level of play is- since having competed before). This was the Maryland's team first tournament, therefore placed in AAA because of the ranking rules. 2 -2 going into Sunday is a fair record- not permitting AAA to move forward and allowing AA to continue does not seem fair. IF both divisions were stopped at the same point in the tournament maybe some of the ladies would feel better. I went over to watch a friend in the 40 AA women play. They ended the tournament 0-5. I think more time could have been applied to the decision instead of hasitly making one. One last comment, we aren't sure who said it, but telling the ladies teams that their game would not have mattered is wrong (on many levels)!
June 8, 2011
Alethea
2 posts
It's understood that the weather was not the typical Reno weather. However, it's my understanding that this was the same type of conditions from the prior weekend. The forecast was there. As said, what was most disappointing was that at 8 a.m. nobody had even attempted to work the fields. The lower fields were not even considered as an option.
The sorry thanks for coming doesn't cut it. This being our teams first experience, sorry but it was not favorable.
I play in many tournaments, usssa coed and womens, asa womens and coed, ISA coed and senior ball. I never had a director eliminate teams from a tournament. I have had many a tournament cancelled, moved, turn to 1 pitch, and yes even credit given towards the next tournament. With nothing offered up and no attempt to work on the fields I'm not sure I will be as inclined to put out the money again to travel to the West Coast.
June 8, 2011
softballlady
25 posts
I never had this happen on the East Coast.....and we get lots of rain. I have played in Florida at Wide World of Sports and they went to a one pitch on sunday, after a whole day of rain on a saturday. Same thing in Ocean City, Maryland....rained on a saturday, went to a one pitch sunday. Our team once traveled to North Jersey and the tourney got cancelled due to rain, the director gave us free entry fee to the next tourney and a refund because we traveled 2 hours to get there, and he did not have my cell phone number to get a hold of me. I am just really mad because other teams were playing at other fields.... lets support the east coast senior tournaments....we could have played in 4 tournaments , all the money we spent going to the west coast...and i could have sponsored the team with the 800 bucks i speny...ridiculous lol
June 8, 2011
Alethea
2 posts
True Story right there! I've never been rained out in Disney, but know teams that went to the one pitch. When I hit the Mega Millions I plan on having a complex here in the MD/PA area that we can have tournaments all year round! hahah Live the Dream
June 8, 2011
softballlady
25 posts
I have that same dream of winning the lottery and building an indoor facility for the winter. You ever been to the dome in flemington , nj....it is great indoor softball in the middle of the winter, they had indoor tourneys this year. The women got to hit a regular ball, the men hit a mush ball lol....My hub had a good idea, buy an old abandoned warehouse and strip it and make a softball field in it.....i like to dream
June 8, 2011
Dbax
Men's 60
1247 posts
Hello?????? SSUSA???? Not even a comment on how you did your best? And how you can't control mother nature?
June 9, 2011
softballlady
25 posts
Where are all the guys from the Nor Cal team that were sitting at Starbucks with us..They were totally pissed off also. They actually gave their playing time up on saturday night because of rain, so they could come back and win it on sunday......they didnt get a chance to win it , we all got our games cancelled...come on guys express your opinions
June 10, 2011
Methow
1 posts
Yes, Reno was just horrible with the wind. We usually get some wind in the afternoon but this year all day and strong.. Also it was cold and with the wind big-time chill factor. Many of our families and friends stayed in the hotel and didn't watch our games. I was almost glad when we didn't get to the finals.
June 10, 2011
TGIII
Men's 60
89 posts
Mother Nature has not been very kind to senior softball this year. The Top Gun Championship in February was cancelled after one day; Spring Worlds in St. George lost a day because of rain in March; Southwest Championship in Laughlin was a wind tunnel in April; and the Rock-n-Reno snow in May was quit a challenge. Being from SoCal I have become spoiled by the great weather that we have had for many seasons. This is a very unusual year for weather. My hats off to Terry, Fran, David, and all of the tournament directors for trying their best to complete all of these tournaments. Rain, sleat, or even snow will not keep me from playing senior softball, it just might be more challenging.
June 10, 2011
GI
Men's 60
161 posts
Wow it was cold and some snow when I was there over weekend 50's played. Thank God I went back to Phoenix who still is looking for a tournament in area for a TOC birth other than World. Anyway loved playing in Flagstaff this past weekend in Rick Siefman's senior event. weather was perfect 75-80 and played 6 games over weekend. Thanks Rick and senior softball for tournament there in Flagstaff. a hidden secret but really a fun time.Softball in the mountains is great during the summer . See you in Prescott next weekend. GI
June 10, 2011
GI
Men's 60
161 posts
OOPs I mean Pinetop AZ next weekend. Have a great weekend all. Missed you Webbie in Flagstaff.
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