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Discussion: Impact Player

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Nov. 14, 2011
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Impact Player
What is your definition of an impact player?
Nov. 14, 2011
SSUSA Staff
1010 posts
Our official definition of an impact player is this: Although the term is obsolete, seven years ago or so it was used to define a Major+ player who should be limited to playing on Major+ or Major teams only. The term has no application in our team ratings system today.

Nov. 14, 2011
Duke
Men's 60
678 posts
The term "impact player" is now termed "out-of-rating" player, as I previously stated in some other post you may have read. The SSUSA staff is not completely answering your question, and they know what you want to hear. The terms "impact player", "out-of-rating player", or whatever you want to call it was addressed on September 21, 2011 as shown below.


ROSTER COMPOSITION RULES
15.1(1) B. 3. A 'Major' team roster shall not have more than three (3) players with a team affiliation rating history during the previous two tournament seasons greater than Major for the 2012 tournament season, and not more than two (2) such players for the 2013 and subsequent tournament seasons. [Major Rule]
15.1(1) C. 3. A 'AAA' team roster shall not have more than three (3) players with a team affiliation rating history during the previous two tournament seasons greater than AAA for the 2012 tournament season, and not more than two (2) such players for the 2013 and subsequent tournament seasons. [AAA Rule]
15.1(1) C. 3. A 'AA' roster shall not have more than three (3) players with a team affiliation rating history during the previous two tournament seasons greater than AA for the 2012 tournament season, and not more than two (2) such players for the 2013 and subsequent tournament seasons. [AA Rule]

As you can see, it has plenty to do with team ratings. All of the above rules negated by the "2.5 run" rule, for teams(like W.E. Ruth) that do not like the new rules, nor care to follow the new rules, put into place by Terry and Mr. Ruth.

Just thought that I would elaborate this a little. LOL!

Andy Smith,
55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 14, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3922 posts
what i would like to know,if they are good for 2012,why do the teams have to drop the third guy for 2013,seems a bit silly IMO.......let everyone have three.also a new thought on my original idea,let everyone have three uppers,but if a player drops 2 div down,that takes away 1 of the uppers a team can add,so they would only get 2 adds from uppers.
Nov. 14, 2011
Duke
Men's 60
678 posts
mad dog, The only purpose for the rule in 2012 being 3 and 2013 and subsequent years being 2, was to gradually get teams to adjust their situations. Otherwise, it was slated to be 2 in 2012. Nothing more and nothing less.

Andy Smith,
55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 14, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3922 posts
i see...still teams are gonna have to dump a player/friend come 2013,can't see why it can't stay at 3,just saying........oh well guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.


just curious,if the guys drops down and plays in a lower div,do they become that div(if they stay down there) or are they always an upper div guy.......
Nov. 14, 2011
Tate22
Men's 55
259 posts
At this time, a 60's team in California is being told that if it adds a certain player turning 60 next year from my 55 M+ team (Nighthawks) that player will count as one of 3 Major Plus players against the proposed roster. This player is an excellent hitter who has made all-tourney teams over the years, and wreaks havoc with defenses trying to stop him. In five years playing for me, this player NEVER hit a ball over a fence. He is only being labeled "impact" because he happened to be on a roster of a team that was aribtrarily moved to 55 Major Plus.

Dear Staff, please explain how this inaccurate, subjective methodology, based on guilt by association, helps our game. Who are we protecting from what?

Still too many divisions by one, Subtract the Plus, the game will survive just fine.

Don Newhard
55 M+ Nighthawks
Nov. 14, 2011
neck10
476 posts
all major plus teams dont have all major plus players on it just because you play on a major plus team for a tourney doesnt make you a major plus player take for example butch drake if he plays with big arm(OKI) for a weekend he is not going to suddenly be the player vern ,john,sully,randy or most of the other guys are,he cant win the game for you with one swing, but with todays rules (not saying they are wrong)if you dont want to be labeled that then dont go play up any it just hurts your team.
Nov. 14, 2011
SSUSA Staff
1010 posts
So, most everyone thus far has ignored the easiest and likely most appropriate procedure to follow ...

Call the Sacramento office. Tell whomever answers the phone your team name and that you have more than three out-of-rating players on your roster. Cutting them just to wiggle under the limbo bar isn't the honorable way for your team to go. Let them know you would prefer to play up a level where you belong with this roster.

Several teams have actually done this in the last two weeks! And several more have stayed loyal to their guys when being informed they were being moved up a level. We're proud of those managers and wish them nothing but the best.

Nov. 14, 2011
OTE24
Men's 65
122 posts
If I read this right, the answer is no,no,no. It's okay if your one of their favorite teams or players. Andy has hit this on the head. So Cal teams and players get the shaft.
Never let facts get in the way. Face it ,your rating system is lacking. And to the BRAVE managers who put up with this I wish you the best. Who could ever disagree with SSUSA?
John Sadler
Nov. 14, 2011
Duke
Men's 60
678 posts
SSUSA Staff, Of course, this does not apply to W.E. Ruth, because they come under the unwritten rule most commonly known as the "2.5 run rule." LOL! Or, is it the thinking, that we will do whatever we want, because we own half the company?

Andy Smith,
55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 15, 2011
Duke
Men's 60
678 posts
grumpy55- This will add in helping to clarify the "2.5 run" rule, which is unwritten. First read the thread entitled, "Impact Player Rule is a Joke!!"

Andy Smith,
55 Major/60 Major Plus
Nov. 15, 2011
Corky
Men's 55
444 posts
Just my observation BUT: Even if you caught and batted a buck 30 for a major plus team (that was short players one weekend) your basically stuck.
Nov. 15, 2011
Duke
Men's 60
678 posts
Corky- You are not correct! How many places are you going to write this? LOL! See my explanation to you under re-rating a player, where you posted previously.

Andy Smith,
55 Major/60 Major Plus

Andy
Nov. 16, 2011
Corky
Men's 55
444 posts
Chill dude, I said it was MY Observation and copy and pasting is easier.........cant be as annoying as a couple of domineering posters on here.........I'll just shut up and keep my opinions to myself cya have a nice life
Nov. 16, 2011
DMac
Men's 60
185 posts
Two out, bases loaded, tying run on third. You walk the batter intentionally. That's my definition of an impact player.
Nov. 16, 2011
Duke
Men's 60
678 posts
Hey 50/50, That was very funny! Roflmao!! What team(s) are you playing for in 2012? Have a Happy Thanksgiving Dennis!!

Andy Smith,
55 Major/60 Major plus
Nov. 17, 2011
Duke
Men's 60
678 posts
Corky, Sometimes when we write things, it comes across to others differently. I think that you got a bit too sensitive here. I did write after my comment to you "LOL", so no antagonistic feelings were meant towards you. Your opinions are welcome and needed along with everyone else's, but your observations are not welcome. Just Kidding!!

To be perfectly honest with you, the "impact player" rule does not effect me much at all. I am bringing this to everyone's attention, because it majorly effects those playing Major, AAA, and AA teams. I am for FAIRNESS for ALL.

The "bordering" rule does effect my team and many others.

Please let me know what team you play on, and maybe we can meet at some tournament and say hi and be friends. I have enough players on my own team that do not like me. LOL!

Hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving!

Andy Smith,
55 Major/60 Major Plus
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