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Discussion: U2 not a real 1.20 ?

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Aug. 17, 2006
batguyaz
134 posts
U2 not a real 1.20 ?
I heard the other day that if the Ultra II had to be tested for the 1.20 today it would not past. From what I was told, the only reason the U2 is legal is it was grandfathered into senior softball and Miken sneaked the bat in years ago. Can anyone comment on this, any truth to the story ?
Aug. 31, 2006
Michigan Vet
Men's 55
230 posts
Any composite bat that has over 1000 swings on it will probably not pass the 1.2 test. The more you use composites the hotter they get, and are probably the hottest right before they break. It just happens the Ultr II is hot right out of the wrapper and gets seriously hotter.
Aug. 31, 2006
batguyaz
134 posts
I think the point at the beer table, where this subject came up, was the U2, even out of the wrapper could not pass the 1.20 test. That somehow it made it's way into system and now is accepted. So the point, as I understood it is that if someone else wanted to make a copy of the U2, they could not put the 1.20 on it.
I guess it is really not an issue, just wondered if that was the case. I still love my U2.
Aug. 31, 2006
Michigan Vet
Men's 55
230 posts
I think you are right, the new Combat that is being called the "Original" is not legal USSSA but the senior Associations are letting guys use it. I have not seen anybody use it yet, but the claim is it is as hot as th U2!
Aug. 31, 2006
juicebaily
Men's 50
17 posts
Not even close!!!!
Aug. 31, 2006
batguyaz
134 posts
I have no idea on the new Combat, I am told by the factory guy from Rip It - he lives here, the it is is a really good bat and is very hot with a longer life span. He speaks very well of Combat so I trust the bat is good.
The other day we hit some 11" bats during BP and that solved the whoe deal, man did those things fly...I know this only a dream from old fart, but what the heck...
Aug. 31, 2006
batguyaz
134 posts
oops...I wanted to say 11" balls, the ones used in coed
Aug. 31, 2006
batguyaz
134 posts
juice, have you hit the Combat, let us know what you think....
Aug. 31, 2006
tater9
62 posts
I would have to agree with juicebaily. The new Combat that I have is not even close to the performance of the Ultra II.
Aug. 31, 2006
batguyaz
134 posts
I too would have to agree. The U2 is still the king of bats. iwth a footnote of bats that are SSUSA legal. There is a bat hotter than the U2 but can only be used in pick up games or certain type of leagues that allow open bats.
Aug. 31, 2006
batguyaz
134 posts
I too would have to agree. The U2 is still the king of bats. iwth a footnote of bats that are SSUSA legal. There is a bat hotter than the U2 but can only be used in pick up games or certain type of leagues that allow open bats.
Aug. 31, 2006
bashbro1
Men's 60
266 posts
Certifying ASA Bats:

The BBS or “Batted-Ball Speed” is the what ASA is now using to certify crappy bats for their Amateur Softball Association and NOT BPF < 1.20. The ‘BBCOR’ or ‘Batted-Ball-Coefficient of Restitution’ is measured by firing a ball from a huge cannon towards an unsuspecting composite bat, then measuring the incoming and outgoing speeds of the ball using a simple equation! eA= Vout / Vin

It the ball exits the bat at less then 98(mph) then is a crappy bat and ASA certifies it. If the ball exits more than 100+ then its considered a good bat by players and ASA bans it! .

Bashbro Kent, WA Russell Road

Aug. 31, 2006
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
I heard that when the U2 originally "passed" the 1.20 standard they didn't require that they use the sweet spot on the bat. Now it must be measured on the sweet spot.
Aug. 31, 2006
batguyaz
134 posts
I am trying to understand this. The U2 passes the old 1.20 test but not the new 'sweet spot' test for new bats. So my new Rip It bat, which I like better than my U2, has to pass the new test while U2's flood the market without having to retest. What a load of crap.....SSUSA should allow the Rip It bat if they allow the U2.
I would like to take this up with someone, but who ????
Sept. 2, 2006
MaverickAH
59 posts
The old 1.2Bpf test only tested the COP (Center of Percussion). In other words it only tested the center of the barrel. If that passed the test then the bat passed.

The new 1.2Bpf test examines the ENTIRE BARREL. When this test was applied to the U2 a "hot spot" that tested above 1.2 was found lower down on the barrel where it begins to taper. This is why the U2 was banned almost eveywhere else!

The only reason it's legal in SSUSA is because the players petitioned to keep it so! I believe that they association responded to the desires of its members & reinstated the bat after initially banning it.

Is the U2 truly hotter than any other 1.2 bat? Probably not, unless you get jammed a lot & "fist" the ball..........
Sept. 2, 2006
MaverickAH
59 posts
BTW........

I'll take a SB34 over a U2 any day of the week!
Sept. 2, 2006
batguyaz
134 posts
What is a SB34 ??
Sept. 2, 2006
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
Someone correct me if I am wrong, I believe it is a TPS Genesis. I don't remember if it was the first or second Genesis.
Sept. 2, 2006
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Bruce here is what I remember on the Genesis, I recall this being a TPS Lousiville Slugger, there were 2 models the SB34 and I believe the SB103. Both had no durability issues one was a piece of junk and the other was very good at hitting low compression softballs. About 4 years ago a young guy I know paid an arm and a leg for one of these models because SB12 softballs were being used at the time. He swore by it for low compression softballs.
Sept. 2, 2006
MaverickAH
59 posts
Yes, the SB34 is the original Louisville Slugger Genesis. It's the only bat I've ever swung that's arguably bett than the Ultra! Yes, they do have a deserved rep for being brittle but they will seriously outhit the Ultra especially if you're using a SB12 or lower comp ball. Using those rypes of balls greatly increases the longevity of the bat as well!

The SB103 pales in comparison to the SB34 but in actuality it's not a bad bat. It just take a lot of work to wake it up. I'm talking 500+ hits here..........

Unlike the Ultra's, the SB34 is still legal in most assns. except ASA. You won't see many around because they tend not to last long. It's definitely a "game only" bat & maybe even a "special situation only" bat! They definitely have to be babied with higher comp balls.
Sept. 3, 2006
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
In 2002 I hosted a Mohr Softball.com GT (get together) here in Cumming, Ga. I contacted TPS and the rep in Lagrange agreed to let us try out some bats. He gave me two XXL's and two Genisis's. I believe they were the SB34's. We hit them all day Saturday and the results weren't pretty! The XXL's were waved up and the Genisis's were both cracked. Remember this was with at least 47 cor balls and possibly 50 cor balls. It would be great if the Genisis would hold up to 44 cor balls AND be ASA legal!
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