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» antieinstein: Can someone help me out? How far can a runner go between bases ...
      »SSUSA Staff: In rough numbers, 69'-11" between 1st and 2nd bases or between 2nd ...
      »Dbax: Lol!
      »Webbie25: Dave, I love your answer, but it is not entirely correct. If a batter ...
      »Dbax: That wasn't the original question.
      »B.J.: Webbie, thats why it is called a commitment line...once a runner ...
      »stattad: I thought I read that the commitment line was changed this year to ...
      »B.J.: yes...• COMMITMENT LINE - The Commitment line was moved to 30' from ...
      »antieinstein: In some local leagues the commitment line was half way between bas ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The commitment line for SSUSA sanctioned play is exactly as B.J. ...
      »antieinstein: I am talking about Recreational leagues. I was told that the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: antieinstein ... Maybe a better forum for you to get assistance would ...
      »mad dog: i think the comit line should be closer to third then the ...
      »stattad: I don't think anyone had a calculator handy when they changed the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: There was an almost hilarious debate of 30' vs. 35' at the Rules ...
      »stattad: I don't agree. No discussion of 25' at all?
      »SSUSA Staff: None at all ... The original 20' distance was 40' from 3rd base on ...
      »stattad: Too bad. There used to be a lot of exciting plays involving the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: There were virtually no "commitment line" plays at 20' after the base ...
18 July 1, 2014 1102

One base or two?

» hitman: Batter gets a single and rounds first looking at second, relay comes ...
      »SSUSA Staff: TWO
      »hitman: Thanks, that what I called also but some didn't understand.
      »SSUSA Staff: Very simple formula: "Last base legally acquired, plus two" ... Nice ...
      »lb16: I think the debate comes in when say infielder overthrows before ...
      »Garocket: Easiest rule to explain 1 thing you must always remember- runner ...
      »stick8: Hitman, it's two bases--the one your going toward and the next one. ...
      »Garocket: Stick don't explain it like that cause if the runner had rounded 1st ...
      »stick8: Good point Garocket. The key here being it was the second play by the ...
      »Diputs: What about if the shortstop caught a line drive and tried to get the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: It does NOT matter what play precedes or results in the errant throw ...
      »curty: what is the case when an outfielder,throwing to get runner @ first on ...
      »lb16: Same rule applies if runner has not made it to 1st, he goes to 2nd, ...
      »Garocket: and remember made means he had already touched 1st before the fielder ...
      »Garocket: Ok one last one to really scratch you head on Runner on 1st long ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Third base, because the rule is still the same: "Last base legally ...
      »lb16: Actually runner gets home. Missed base is an appeal play umpire ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We disagree ... The determination of the "Last base legally acquired, ...
      »paul0784: As a USSSA umpire and a runner on first base. If a line drive is hit ...
      »Garocket: So now you are saying that a when a ruuner passes a base he has not ...
      »Garocket: If the umpires have that authority then why would he not call a ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Last post on topic: In your scenario, it is improper to conclude that ...
      »Garocket: I really believe if you asked any Major League umpire. they would ...
      »B.J.: STAFF...i agree with Garocket a runner is always assumed to have ...
      »B.J.: STAFF...how do you as an umpire explain to the offense that the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: B.J. - This is our last post on topic for you, too - This is so ...
      »garyheifner: Similar thing happened in the Northern Nationals back a number of ...
      »Garocket: Dave lets discuss this one in Tupelo over a cold one
      »B.J.: the SSUSA rulebook doesnt always spell out different situations and ...
      »lb16: Actually thats the answer I gave but SSUSA staff apparently would not ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We are unwilling to stop the play with a Dead Ball call and presume ...
      »B.J.: STAFF: I dont understand....in this post you say that you are ...
      »Garocket: There lies a problem in all associations except seniors he would be ...
      »lb16: Garocket you are correct sir, I dont get what is so hard to ...
      »neck10: so stick your saying 1 + 2 =3
      »B.J.: Garocket....you are correct...that is why tournament directors need ...
      »stick8: Neck in the law of mathematics 1 + 2 does equal 3--lol. The only time ...
      »stick8: Here's one for you Garocket or anyone else: Runner on first 1 out. ...
      »B.J.: he is out on appeal
      »lb16: B.J. is correct!
      »Garocket: 1st off the umpire missed the award. He is suppose to go to ...
      »B.J.: Garocket...not in this case...he would only get 2nd because having to ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Garocket is correct ... Retreating back to first is not counted as ...
      »B.J.: yes...i also found it in ASA rules supplement no. 38 OVERTHROWS
43 June 13, 2014 1868

Batters Box

» Tater50: At Pensacola: I witnessed 2 guys (not on my team) that got called out ...
      »taits: Heck the batter has 40 inches to move in front of the plate, how much ...
      »STL0: I've seen teams walk up to the box before the first game and wipe out ...
      »taits: That is a rule breaker they don't enforce.
      »phantomf4j: Well, in our league we hit off a batters box mat that has the lines ...
      »SSUSA Staff: You should have been in Reno recently at Golden Eagle Regional Park, ...
      »garyheifner: My contention over recent years is that a batters box does not matter ...
      »garyheifner: PS However, they should keep the rule about not running at the ...
      »southernson: If you pitch, the batter's box definitely mattters. Hitters that have ...
      »STL0: I agree Southernson. What I typically see are very tall HR hitters ...
      »Enviro-Vac: I like my pitches high, up around the chest so I can lift the ball or ...
      »Tater50: Taits: "Heck the batter has 40 inches to move in front of the plate, ...
      »hitman: We had another call in Knoxville this weekend and again the batters ...
12 June 10, 2014 1410

New DBO HR rules for 2014

» Tri18: Hey guys, I believe there have been about 30 tournaments played so ...
      »taits: Totally against it as I have posted numerous time on here. Another ...
      »cal50: Need to eliminate 1 division, only have AA, AAA and Major. The ...
      »B94: Good thread Alan! I've found that the walk after the HR limit is ...
      »Tri18: I forgot to add...it may be helpful if you each post what division ...
      »swing for the fences : either one up throughout game or walks after limit
      »crusher: Tri18 - Age and Division is good to add to this. Just my ...
      »taits: Link to knowledgeable article on ...
      »STL0: We play 50 major and have played 2 SSUSA tournaments so far. I have ...
      »MurrayW: We are an old 50 major team and are probably closer to a AAA team ...
      »Mario: Hitting up the middle has definitely increased. I say go back to it ...
      »mad dog: why does a player have to hit middle when hrs are gone...this excuse ...
      »neck10: there s all kinds of ways to make the home run rule better.you could ...
      »Cman: Know one wants to hit a homer only to be called out. Always nice to ...
      »Tim Millette: We will be playing our first ssusa hr limit tourney this weekend in ...
      »Tim Millette: Other concepts for future consideration to give the pitcher a little ...
      »miken44: we play 50 aaa to me let the major and major plus hit all they want ...
      »txnighttrain: I agree with Mad Dog 100%
      »Tri18: Excellent feedback from both sides....! Let me share with you a few ...
      »Tim Millette: Alan, not having outs for over the limit in Plus ball will reduce the ...
      »Fabe: Mahalo for this thread Alan…looking forward to our first qualifier in ...
      »stick8: Neck, in either WSL or GSL, maybe both, has a home run rule similar ...
      »Tri18: Tim, I don't think that happens. When these teams start getting re ...
      »Tim Millette: Alan, A and AA had Homerun limits then outs. I agree Plus at the ...
      »Mario: Just to clarify my point, in 5 years I have been playing senior ball ...
      »Tri18: Hey Tim, I believe that A and AA did do that but we were allowed ...
      »Webbie25: Alan, great time to talk about this. I have a bit different take, I ...
      »Hammer22: Mario, You don't know me but I for one love this DBO rule. I like ...
      »Duke: Hey Guys, All good comments above. I wanted to say 2 things too. ...
      »Conman: Guys .... If the NFL has rules limiting touchdown passes, only 2 per ...
      »Tim Millette: We just completed playing our first dbo Ssusa tourney in Reno. At ...
      »southernson: We play 50 Major, but I have played AAA as well. IMHO, be consistent ...
      »Mario: Hammer22, read my last post!!!! 1 ball in 5 years that the pitcher ...
      »JamesLG: I have no input for the younger seniors but for the 60 and abov ...
      »Hammer22: Mario, What does that have anything do with what I wrote!!! My ...
      »Mario: Hammer22 I'm sorry you said "If you play at the plus level you should ...
      »Hammer22: Dale, My name is Doug Kett #22 and I play for DLB. I played with ...
      »PJ3P: One thing not mentioned in this discussion is playing conditions and ...
      »Mario: Doug, your right I don't know you but I do know who you are. ...
      »Webbie25: Mario, you and I agree on some more separation for M+ over M. I guess ...
      »jerrytodd01: 50 AAA player here. AA-2 HR and out AAA-5 HR and out. Combine ...
      »Jawood: Combining Major and Major-plus would be possible only if there was a ...
      »Hammer22: Webbie, No I didn't play on the 60's team. I played on the 50's. To ...
      »garyheifner: Maybe Hr rules should vary depending on age groups. So far in our 3 ...
      »Robo2: I am of a different opinion. Have unlimited HRs at all ...
44 June 5, 2014 2699

Check in

» barrym: Came across a situation I don't understand. Before each tournament ...
      »TimMcElroy: I see a few different questions here- this is my take. 1) When ...
      »barrym: They way it came down was. They had a player wearing another team ...
2 June 4, 2014 911

Correct Call???

» HJ: Man on first 1 out. Batter hits slow grounder to SS. SS throws to ...
      »BruceinGa: My understanding it that there MUST be a throw to first for the ...
      »JimmyG: Ump was incorrect. Here is the rule from ssusa rulebook. It clearly ...
      »HJ: I would like staff to give its opinion. To me, "If there is a play" ...
      »stick8: I interpret "if there is a play" to mean a throw is made to first for ...
      »BruceinGa: I can see the interpretation "if there is a play" to mean there is an ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The intent of the rule is clear to the Rules Committee: The white bag ...
      »stever: According to rule 8.4(1), "the defensive player may use either ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The double first base is to be used on an assigned basis by the ...
8 June 2, 2014 1360

Tie game and player placed at 2nd base

» BigRalph64: The last batter that made the out is placed at second base when a ...
      »Brusco: Here you go: 5.4(2) • INTERNATIONAL TIE-BREAKER RULE Teams start ...
1 May 29, 2014 568

Line up and batting order structure

» bradlybone: I have 17 players on my team. On the line up card I list positions 1 ...
      »Clean Up: Do you really need that many players?
      »bradlybone: Not really, we can carry 20 and I'm just trying to get as many guys ...
      »taits: IMO, 17 showing is only good for lowering the high entry fee cost per ...
      »taits: Forgot, you need to consider runner and hitting abilities in the mix ...
      »bradlybone: Taits, I agree with your opinion, but the question is about the ...
      »taits: Sorry I must have cut that out ... you can carry 20 in SSUSA... some ...
      »taits: Under the header above is tournaments and under that are the rules ...
      »bradlybone: Taits, it's still a nice town and softball is alive and well here.
      »TimMcElroy: I normally stay out of these kind of discussions, but wanted to throw ...
      »bradlybone: Thanks Tim, This is a fairly correct assessment but needs some ...
      »taits: Do you have practices that include game plays, with hitting, ...
      »bradlybone: Yeah Taits, We practice for a couple months depending on the rain, ...
12 May 24, 2014 1181

Unusual play

» garyheifner: Two runners end up about 10 feet apart trying to score after rounding ...
      »AJC: I believe both runners would have been out with the catcher leaving ...
      »Webbie25: We actually had that play happen in an SSUSA tournament. If the ...
      »TimMcElroy: All plays at home are considered a force play. Any runner that ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Webbie, how right you are. You are cheering the bomb that no doubt ...
      »Nancy Allen: Saw it once in league play at Metro. A really good team was playing ...
5 May 20, 2014 1002

EXTRA INNINGS

» 1jonsey: STAFF: if a game goes into extra innings and the offense forgets to ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Neither of these hypothetical situations are going to be found in the ...
1 May 17, 2014 741

STAFF bat knobs

» B.J.: what is SSUSA posistion of bat knobs...i know many batters have used ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The SSUSA Official Rulebook details our position on bat knobs at §3.4 ...
      »taits: There are four I know of that are out there. One I use is just the ...
      »B.J.: STAFF...I hear that SSUSA has changed their stance on 2 knobs on the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We have not changed our position on this, but rather have simply ...
      »B.J.: thx for the clarification and yes this did come up as a result from ...
      »SSUSA Staff: And we're not exactly going out on a limb here, but we suspect adding ...
      »B.J.: Bogie-class hitter....lol im hoping for out of the infield
      »'Skerz: I guess I really don't understand why taping a cone is ...
8 May 10, 2014 1325

OBSTRUCTION

» 1jonsey: STAFF...this happened in our game... runner on 1st...batter/runner, ...
      »swing for the fences : Umpire had it right! Anytime there is obstruction by fielder the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We concur with BOTH the umpire's ruling and swing's very concise ...
      »BruceinGa: My understanding of the obstruction rule is that if the runner was ...
      »BruceinGa: found it: 8.4(10)A 4. When a runner, while advancing or returning ...
      »crusher: Bruce, Sounds like the runner should have been advanced back to 1st ...
      »B.J.: wow...really the runner makes a mistake by not seeing his team mate ...
      »Garocket: When a runner, while advancing or returning to a base, is obstructed ...
      »1jonsey: Garocket...I agree with you but read the rule part A 1 EXCEPTION: A ...
      »SSUSA Staff: 1jonsey ... Actually the converse to your theory is a more accurate ...
      »stick8: Had a play like this last year. Men's game, bases empty, no one out. ...
      »1jonsey: STAFF I understand awarding the obstructed runner the base he was ...
      »SSUSA Staff: 1jonsey ... It's apparent you are not going to agree with our ...
      »1jonsey: STAFF thx for your responses and explanations and you are right i ...
      »Garocket: Any rule that does not make sense should be either changed or looked ...
      »1jonsey: Garocket u r right i went back a couple years in old rule books and ...
      »Nancy Allen: Jonesy and Garocket, you have fallen into what I call Heart Rules. ...
      »Garocket: Nancy, has nothing to to with heart and more to do with common ...
      »Nancy Allen: Garocket, sorry to frustrate you. It is a Nancy Allen opinion and ...
      »Garocket: Nancy I do not have a horse in the race either. I have been umpiring ...
      »1jonsey: Nancy, i appreciate what you are saying and do agree that many ...
      »stick8: Here's a situation to ponder; Bases empty, no outs. Batter gets a ...
      »neck10: Just play ball ump'a will take care of rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!here's one ...
      »neck10: stick rob said he talked with you,he called me on Friday to tell me ...
      »stick8: Yes, I had a nice conversation with the Motor City Madman last week. ...
      »Garocket: Stick If the runner never tried to leg it out to second the umpire ...
      »Garocket: I was just looking thru the internet and found this Why is SSUSA ...
      »neck10: stick big arm will have to hire me to keep Robbie out of ...
      »neck10: stick all kidding aside rob will hit long ball with anyone you ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We're not sure why this call is leading to so much debate ... The ...
      »softball4b: And you had to ask that question Why.....Kind of like talking to my ...
      »stick8: Garocket your technically correct. In my scenario, the USSSA rule is ...
      »stick8: Neck I know Robbie all too well. I played league ball with him and on ...
      »joel 1975: stick he's a handful but really likes rickey & billy from kinnco ...
      »stick8: How do I get in on this free golf gig? lol
      »Garocket: Ok i more time and I will let it die LOL Runner gets a bae hit to ...
      »txnighttrain: I umpire USSSA.There is no rule 8.13. The rule is Rule 8 Sec 7.E. It ...
36 May 7, 2014 1959

BRICKYARD INVITATIONAL QUALIFIER 2014 • Game Scores & Bracket Results

» SSUSA Staff: Game Scores and Bracket Results from the 2014 Brickyard Invitational ...
0 May 4, 2014 861

Illegal player

» Mario: SSUSA what happens when a team uses a player that has not yet turned ...
      »BruceinGa: Dale, I believe 10 or 15 years a team was caught with under aged ...
      »SSUSA Staff: In 2008, a team at the Atlantic Coast Championships attempted to use ...
      »taits: This is one reason I highly favor viewable rosters. If a player ...
      »17Black: I agree, having the ability of being able to view team rosters "could ...
4 May 2, 2014 1520

Double Rostering

» thejet: Does SSUSA have a simlar double rostering rule like SPA? (It is my ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Players may play in separate age divisions of the same SSUSA ...
1 May 2, 2014 716

Umpire Mistake

» Softballer48: Question: A Base Umpire (mistakenly) made a comment that a base ...
      »crusher: Playing today in a tournament in Plano Tx. Runner on 1st, batter ...
      »stick8: Softballer48 if what you stay is true that base umpire shouldn't be ...
      »Softballer48: stick8: This happened to be a league game that uses SSUSA rules.
      »crusher: Stick8 - it was the field ump. He did not watch the runner.
      »stick8: Softballer48, I head up a crew of USSSA umpires where I live. If I ...
      »stick8: Crusher, if I read your scenario correctly the field guy ran out into ...
      »Softballer48: stick8: My question: Is the appeal play valid, with an umpire ...
      »Wayne 37: If they are using two man mechanics, the base umpire should never go ...
      »stick8: Softballer48 if the defense does the appeal properly it would be ...
9 April 28, 2014 1018

I need a ruling on this scenario

» yankees02: we had this happen during our weekend tournament and I need opionins ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Umpire is correct ... This is NOT a force out at 2nd, since a force ...
      »mike23: If 2nd out is made before runner on 3rd scores no run if not ...
      »mike23: sorry 3rd out
      »stick8: If the out at second is recorded beofre the runner from third crosses ...
4 April 28, 2014 649

IS IT A CATCH

» 1jonsey: last weekend i was watching a game, an outfielder came running in on ...
      »Dbax: I say it's a catch and the umpire is a moron!
      »swing for the fences : I don't know if he's a moron but I know there are rules from using ...
      »lemons: If the ball did not hit the ground or any other illegal objects, it ...
      »mad dog: HEY I USE MY BELLY GLOVE ALL THE TIME WITH HI-HOPPERS.....GUESS I ...
      »1jonsey: i agree with you guys, but if you read the last sentence of the rule ...
      »Az Iz: Rules change so much anymore.... As far as I know he can catch th ...
      »Webbie25: Wow-talk about reading something into a rule. Eventually, unless you ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Actually, the intent of the rule is to prevent the defender from ...
      »Az Iz: WHAT? I can't use my hat? SO NOW I GOT TO GO OUT AND BUY ...
      »taits: Here I thought it was about control of the ball when you had it. ...
      »Webbie25: So Dave, what you are saying is that if I am chasing a flyball in ...
      »Garocket: You cannot use any equipment detached from its proper place to catch ...
      »1jonsey: Staff, I appreciate your explanation of the rule but why th ...
      »Webbie25: You guys are falling asleep out there. I really expected some debate ...
      »Adiktiv6: I use the Worth BFG, 15 incher!! I hope they make a 16 inch glove ...
      »Garocket: Adiktiv6 you do know that the BFG is illegal by the rule book. It ...
      »Adiktiv6: Say What???? lol The glove just looks bigger because of my small ...
      »Nancy Allen: Webbie, you know the rules. You can only wear a glove on your foot ...
      »Garocket: At this time that is the rule in all National Associations 14 inch.
      »Adiktiv6: Dangit....guess I will have to run faster!! Or wait till someone ...
      »Webbie25: A dik-I was going to say something also, but didn't want to 'out' you ...
      »stick8: 1jonsey, in your scenario I have a legal catch. And I have to ...
22 April 26, 2014 1759

Rule covering team movement

» Larry S: Is there a rule covering a team that chooses to move down? ie: 70 ...
      »SSUSA Staff: A player with 70-Major history choosing to move to the 65-AAA is ...
      »Larry S: The question concerned the whole team moving, not just one player. ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Same answer, whether it's one or 20 players, or anywhere in between ...
3 March 29, 2014 700

pitching

» Matt43: Agree about safety for pitcher. However the mask rule is not really ...
0 March 25, 2014 421
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