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June 8, 2014
baseballbill
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ncss - escondido tournament
Before I get into how the tournament director ruled the winner of the 70 6 team round robin, I want to congratulate the NCSS organization for running a good tournament.
At the end of the round robin, there was a 3 way tie for 1st place. El Paseo, Cal Connection and Prescott finished with a 4 win, 1 loss record
with no team having a head to head advantage(Connection beating Paseo, Paseo beating Prescott, Prescott beating Connection.
The tie breaker rules: 1-head to head, 2-least runs scored against, 3-run differential, 4- flip of coin
The director did not understand that head to head doesn't come into play and he has to go to least runs scored against to determine winner, etc. In his mind he was stuck on head to head.
His decision was that Prescott beat Connection in the last game so that knocked Connection out. In the prior game Paseo beat Prescott so that makes Paseo the winner, Prescott 2nd and Connection 3rd and he refused to listen to Prescott and connection trying to explain his own tie breaker rules.
Someone in NCSS organization should explain to him how tie breakers work in round robin and NCSS should review the scores and determine the correct winner.
June 9, 2014
baseballbill
17 posts
I would like to hear back from NCSS organization on the tournament directors ruling...
June 10, 2014
baseballbill
17 posts
I can not believe that someone in the NCSS organization is not willing to step up and answer this mwssage.....
June 10, 2014
cal50
Men's 50
276 posts
This is not NCSS, it is SSUSA.
June 10, 2014
SSUSA Staff
1184 posts
The Tournament Director for this NCSS event spoke with a National Tournament Director from SSUSA yesterday (Monday) and explained the method by which the Champion was determined ... We concur with his handling, even though this is not an SSUSA event ...

The tie-breaker provisions employed are the same as in SSUSA and are as follows:

1. Best overall record The three tied teams all had a 4-1 record (No winner determined)
2. Head-to-head record The three tied teams all had a 1-1 record against each other - Team A defeated Team B, who defeated Team C who defeated Team A (no winner determined)
3. Aggregate runs allowed in all games The team allowing the fewest runs was declared the winner, with second and third place being decided by the same criteria
4. Aggregate run differential in all games (not required); and
5. Coin toss (not required)

The Tournament Director spoke with the managers of all three teams by telephone on Sunday evening and explained the tie-breaker procedures and how they had been applied ... All three managers were in agreement with the final standings upon hearing that application of the above tie-breaker rules ... Apparently you are not the manager of your team, so it may be a wise idea for you to contact him for an explanation of what he believed to be a fair resolution ...

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