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Discussion: ISA Worlds

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July 29, 2007
E. Ness
122 posts
ISA Worlds
I know that this post is about the ISA world that were held in St. Louis but I am so proud of the KC team called the Barrons that I must post.
They won the AAA worlds this weekend at the 50+ level. Way to go Barrons.
July 29, 2007
rabbit
Men's 65
297 posts
Hi E Ness, who else won there? Majors,/Major Plus?? and Can you list the way they finished in the 50 AAA, Thanks, Rabbit
July 29, 2007
Drak
6 posts
I watched most of the Major and Plus -- Hollis was in the Plus final - Travelers was in the Major Final - The way they both played I would say they had a good chance of winning it.
July 30, 2007
tcadmw1
Men's 55
62 posts
50 Major+
1) Hollis Appraisals
2) Butch's Boys??? Sorry if I have the name wrong!
3) Mowtown
4) Randy Smith

Excellent competition and the players are the best people! I enjoyed meeting old friends and making some new ones!

Great tournament run by Jerry Jackson. Best bats and balls with very nice fields. The weather was excellent. I would recommend this tournament to all Senior Softball Teams!!!

Mike Walker
July 30, 2007
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
612 posts
Coachie and I went out and watched games and socialized.
Congratulations to our friends and constant competitors Zeppelin on their win of the 55AA over Tubby's Pub and Grub. Also some other friends and former FOGs that won were Travelodge in the 50 Major over Coors Light and Chicago Classics over Supreme in the 60 Major. Because of Midwest Sports Complex, I hardly ever think that a park is beautiful, but the Bridgeport complex is one of the nicest that I have seen. Watched a lot of great games with no responsibility, a nice change for sure. The 50AAA was a great bracket with plenty of teams. Most of the other brackets were a little small though.
July 30, 2007
Boog34
Men's 50
21 posts
In 50's AAA the order of finish was this:

1st KC Barrons
2nd Bagbey's
3rd Mitchell Foundation
4th KC Renegades
July 30, 2007
Brett
Men's 55
239 posts
Kudos to Jerry Jackson for a very well ran tournament. The 'Rock' balls that were used in this tournament were the best 44/375 balls we've used in hot weather all year!!!

KC Barons
July 30, 2007
tcadmw1
Men's 55
62 posts
Hi Nancy, I agree with your observations regarding the complex being great and the competition being excellent. The size of some divisions is an interesting observation. I think there are a couple of reasons why this is happening:

1) Same weekend as NSA
2) Close to other tournaments i.e. SPA, NSA, USSSA
3) Cost of travel and fees for teams
4) Trend in Senior Softball where there just ain't many teams playing at the Major and Major+ level in any age group.

Jerry Jackson works hard for ISA to support this tournament and I think he would appreciate anyone's comments and suggestions regarding improving the program. He can be reached via email at: jjackson@ntslink.net
July 31, 2007
turn2
486 posts
were there any 60 major or major plus teams there and if so does anybody know who won?
thanks,
donnie
turn two collectibles
July 31, 2007
chollis
79 posts
Mike,
I think it was Butch's Bulldogs. I think one of the player's said they were out of Michigan if I remember correctly.

I thought the tournament was pretty well run. There was a little mix-up regarding rules such a pitching with fakes, but that was cleared up quickly by Saturday morning. The facilities were excellent and plenty of room for pre-game BP. The concession area was the best I have seen since I started playing in 1974. The softballs were excellent. Please keep using them! The only suggestion I have would be to water down the fields several times a day. The batter boxes and the infields were very hard and bad bounces ruled the day. After the rain Saturday the field was excellent for a while. Overall I think they got a lot of things right this year. Good job ISA!!!
curt hollis
Aug. 1, 2007
BMC13
Men's 50
35 posts
The ISA World in St. Louis was great! The fields were dry,dusty and hard which caused several BAD HOPS during the tournament, but as Curt said, after the rain it was perfect for a while!! All in all, a very well run tournament with one small problem in regards to game scheduling!! We had 4 teams in our division and we played 6 total games and it took 3 full days to play it because we didn't play until 6pm on friday and then 4:30pm on Saturday. Then, to top those two days off we don't get started on sunday until noon! I'm not sure what all could have been done but I think we could have finished our division either late saturday or at least earlier sunday! Of course this is just an opinion so don't hammer me too hard!! I did enjoy the weekend in St. Louis(thanks to our sponsors) and look forward to the rest of the Worlds...
BMC13
Aug. 1, 2007
Harri
Men's 65
59 posts
I agree that the ISA Tournament in Bridgeton Missouri was a great location and look forward to future tournaments there. I don't agree with the way Jerry Jackson handled the tournament and have several complaints. First, there was a local 50's team who had there first game scheduled at 4:30 p.m. The first time they heard that the game was rescheduled for 3:00 p.m. was at the Thursday meeting. Since most of their players work, they were not sure they could be there for the new game time. Wouldn't it had been better for Jerry to call at the first opportunity and discuss this with the manager, instead of saying, basically, thats tuff...you play at 3.
I also was very unhappy that a team in our 60's division basically "blackmailed" Jerry into letting them enter as a "AA" when they have won some major tournaments and reportedly had 3 major players on the roster. They have been classified as a "AAA" team since 2004.
Again...a great tournament, a great location, but it was wrong for the other two "AAA" teams to have to give them 5 runs each game. Worse...how could that team lower themselves in taking this action!
Aug. 1, 2007
chollis
79 posts
Baer, makes a very good point. Because we were in the championship game we all missed our flights out which were scheduled from 5:00pm to 7:00pm Sunday evening. It was not like there were later flights to schedule, these were the last flights out Sunday evening. Most of our guys had already taken Thursday and Friday off from work and then the missed Monday as well.

I would suggest to Mr. Jackson and the ISA officials that in the future to reconsider the late start on Sunday if at all possible. I think our first game was scheduled to start at 1:30pm, the game went a full 7 innings with 87 runs being scored. After this game, we had to take a team vote on to see if we wanted to change our flights, stay and play the final game or forfiet the game. At the cost of over $1000, we changed our flights and played the "if" game. It appeared to me there was fields available Saturday evening and early Sunday morning.

Please understand, I'm not bashing ISA or Mr. Jackson. I am suggesting this is one area that they may want to take a look at in the future.
curt hollis
Hollis Appraisals #50
Aug. 1, 2007
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Does ISA senior have the same rules as ISA open. I know here locally you can steal, they have a base burglar who runs only, modified pitching similiar to UTRIP amongst others. I would love to see how base stealing would work in senior ball, i've seen some catchers who can barely get it back to the mound let alone a strike to 2nd or 3rd.
Aug. 1, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
Played that a few years back two different ways.
1. you could try to steal after the ball hit the mat or catchers glove. Your right many catchers can't reach the pitcher.
2. you could try to steal after the ball left the pitchers hand.
A definate advantage for a fast runner.
Both versions died after trying them for about 8-10 weeks.
#2 was more like fast pitch rules for stealing.
Aug. 1, 2007
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
great job to Audie ,Curt ant the rest of the Hollis Team for the ISA 50 championship. hope you win this weekend in the USSSA
DON
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