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Discussion: tournament rankings

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Aug. 21, 2007
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
tournament rankings
I know you will hear alot about this, but we don't understand how you can change rankings after we have qualified for the world championship in AA. I am the person who hustles our sponsors, for you to throw us in AAA after we have been playing AA all year long is absolutely insane ! It is hard enough to get a good sponsor and then have this thrown in our face this late in the season is unacceptible. Why don't you do this before we arrange our flights and hotels. This is one reason we don't play in SPA anymore !How can the CA. Blackhawks be AA when they beat us at the Tournament Of Champions in Florida ?( by the way that was a great tournament) Some of our players are thinking about not going to the World Tournament and that would be a shame considering this is what we work hard for all year long, there has to be a better way to reclassify a team, than this late in the year !!!.
Kenny
Aug. 21, 2007
SOFTBALLGRAMPS
Men's 55
98 posts
Maybe someone there in ssusa headquarters can explain the reasoning for this teams rerating, doesn't sound right and wouldn't want to be in there position
Aug. 21, 2007
Duke
Men's 60
720 posts
Sometimes these things occur. I agree that this should not happen this late in the season, but it happened to my team too. We were an good AA team, then got bumped 2 months before to AAA, and got ripped at the world championships. We were headed to finish at least in the top 4, but when we moved to AAA we were in the bottom 4 for awhile. Now we are a legitimate AAA, but not evewn close when we got bumped at the last moment.
Aug. 22, 2007
Senior Moments
Men's 60
57 posts
It is my understanding that if you qualified in AA you will play in the Tournament of Champions in AA even if you have been re-classed during the year.

Anyone know anything different?
Aug. 22, 2007
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Were not talking about the tournament of champions, we are talking about being moved uo to AAA from AA in the upcoming world tournament at the last minute.
Aug. 22, 2007
geezer#6
Men's 70
58 posts
There is a team qualified for TOC in (2) divisions, AA and AAA. I'm not sure how this is possibile seeing how both first place wins were within the same association. If we have national team ratings and should be entering that way, how could they enter and win different Levels ? Look at the TOC list under 65AAA and AA see if you can find the same team listed.
Aug. 22, 2007
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
geezer#6- It's possible becase the Milwaukee Seniors show up on the list as winning the Northern and the East. They also show on the ratings page as being moved to AAA, I presume from AA, on June 19. According to the tournaments listing page, the Northerns were in early June. Looks like they got moved up after winning that one. Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?
Aug. 22, 2007
geezer#6
Men's 70
58 posts
Desertguy: They were AAA all of last year and beginning of this one. I think maybe they found a way around the rating system. I'm not sure but something doesn't smell right about this one.
Aug. 22, 2007
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
geezer#6- No one can tell from the ratings page what a team was rated before. It only shows that they got moved to AAA on June 19th after the Northerns. And the ToC list shows they won in the Northerns as a AA. Doesn't seem fishy to me. Just looks like they got moved up and it looks like they should have since they won the East in AAA. Just my own feeling on it.
Aug. 22, 2007
geezer#6
Men's 70
58 posts
Desertguy: I agree, but I do have printed rating sheet for the last few years. But whatever is fine with me, just thought it was funny how somethings change to suit the tourney.
Aug. 22, 2007
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
I agree, but still don't necessarily believe things change to fit the tourney. This one looks a lot like winning got them moved up. I have no problem with that if it would happen to us. But of course, we'd have to win something first!
Aug. 22, 2007
geezer#6
Men's 70
58 posts
Desertguy: Good luck to you and your team for rest of the year, keep trying the wins will come.
Aug. 22, 2007
Duke
Men's 60
720 posts
When our team got moved up from AA to AAA, we hadn't even won a tournament that I could remember. This has happened to several teams for some unknown reason. Also, many teams are wise to this, so what they do to prevent being moved up is win a qualifying tournament early in the year, and do not play again till the big tournaments at the end of the season. To keep in shape for the big tournaments, they go play in other organizations or have their entire team join a league.
Aug. 22, 2007
Jano23
Men's 50
95 posts
Thanks for the tip, Duke! :-)
Aug. 23, 2007
koived
41 posts
You are right #6 I can't understand how this happened also. Since you played in the T.O.C you must have won something. Your team should have been moved to the AAA at the start of this year just remember every time your team steps on the field you have a 50% chance of losing every game you play. This game is about compitition, sportsmanship, and fun the minute you believe you should win is when the game has lost. You are complaining because you won a championship and now have to move to level that will challenge your team to play better, that's pathetic. Your sponsor should be proud of your accomplishments and push you to become better. I wish I knew how many people have and still played this game without ever winning a championship? We will probably never know that because those teams play for the compitition and fun of it and don't come on these boards crying about it.
Aug. 23, 2007
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Koived, nobody is crying about anything!Every tournament we have played in we played AA. We don't have the power of most of the AAA teams we have played or seen. All we are asking is to be fair, and moving us to AAA is not fair in our eyes. We don't fear any tream and play as hard as we can each and ever tournament . If you read all the above comments, you will see that most agree with ME instead of YOU !! ENOUGH SAID !!!
Kenny #6
Aug. 23, 2007
cpope
Men's 60
160 posts
Well sayed, koived. You win a big tournament, you move up. Looks like to me they still got to play AA until some tournament directed saw them playing at AA and moved them up to AAA. You win, you move up, Thats what this is about. The cream rises o the top, JMHO From a 60 year old who has played over 45 years, From AA to M+
Aug. 23, 2007
koived
41 posts
#6
I re-read the post and yeah it does sound like alot of crying. You say you don't have the power of MOST of the AAA you have seen or played, so that means you must have the same or more power than some. I have played teams with more power than mine and we out hommered them during the game, does that mean they don't have as much power because we hit more than them 1 game?
Many things go into winning in a team sport. Team work for 1 is most important. A good pitcher can can make a difference in the game along with solid defence and the list goes on. Base hitting has won more games than any of us will ever win so power is not even an argument especially with home run limits.
I have been on both sides of a good old fashion a** kicking and expect to involved in many more to come, if not I would say we are playing in the wrong division.
Good luck play hard and strive to win, your sponsor will be proud.
Aug. 23, 2007
Duke
Men's 60
720 posts
Anytime Jano. Good info for everyone to know. Some teams are known for doing this every year. They play an early small qualifier and win, then you never see them again till the end of the year. I have no problem playing in whatever division that my team is competitive. It reminds me of a previous discussion that talked about players and their hitting ability at different levels. It took alot of restraint to not add to that topic. No level of softball could stop you from hitting home runs as often as you do now. If you are a great hitter, no Major+ level is able to stop that player from doing his thing. This will get alot of responses. LOL!
Aug. 23, 2007
Duke
Men's 60
720 posts
Anytime Jano. Good info for everyone to know. Some teams are known for doing this every year. They play an early small qualifier and win, then you never see them again till the end of the year. I have no problem playing in whatever division that my team is competitive. It reminds me of a previous discussion that talked about players and their hitting ability at different levels. It took alot of restraint to not add to that topic. No level of softball could stop you from hitting home runs as often as you do now. If you are a great hitter, no Major+ level is able to stop that player from doing his thing. This will get alot of responses. LOL!
Aug. 24, 2007
jim16
Men's 65
173 posts
#6, I can write a dissertation on why you are hurting the game of softball with your crying and complaining. Koived has it right, moving up is a reward not a punsihment. You are a serious spomsored team with an entry to the tournament of champions. Champions do not belong in AA. If there is much more to be said on this thread I'll give a few examples of things that happened this year to prove my point You arent a AA team becuase you are not just a recreational player. Move out to get the rec players in our.program. Tell me where you think I'm wrong and I'll clip your wings.
Aug. 24, 2007
koived
41 posts
Man I am really disappointed that this thread is dying. Sandbagging and playing down is probably the #1 problem in softball. Every year there are just a few major plus teams competing, yet every year there are major teams that win. How come there are not more major plus teams to play?
Aug. 24, 2007
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Koived, Jim16, Duke and Cpope, Enough is enough !! When I started this message about team rankings I didn't know I was starting a softball war !! Change the subject, we get all of your points and thats enough !
Kenny
Aug. 24, 2007
Duke
Men's 60
720 posts
I know this will never get resolved in our lifetime, but quite frankly, it is not fun to play home run derby. It reminds me when I played in my 20's and I was watching a Major division. Up to the plate was this huge stature of a batter, like Willie Stargel. They annouced him as Boom-Boom Lagersky!? It was his 5th at bat and had already hit 4 home runs. He swung and hit his 5th home run, some 75 feet over the fence. Gentlemen, there is no way that I am going to pay for a tournament to see how many home runs can be hit. The solution that will never happen, is you must move those fences back 50-75 feet. This way you could play some real softball. Honestly, the fences are surprisingly just too short, even for us old guys. Maybe a little less lively ball would help. For any one that might be interested, that game I watched in my 20's, the score at that time was 40-25 in the 4th inning. LOL!
Aug. 24, 2007
koived
41 posts
Duke,
I don't know of any senior tourny's that are unlimited home runs. All I have played have home run limits. No HR derby's there.
Aug. 24, 2007
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
koived LVSSA at the major plus I do believe has unlimited HR's. What I might add to these large scores being thrown out is that IMO this can not be accomplished without some serious bat control. You are not scoring 40 runs in a game unless folks know what they are doing. Swinging mindlessly leads to lazy flyballs,double plays because the batter has no clue where the defense is and hitting up the middle becasue he is convinced that is where the biggest hole is. Just my thoughts. Also you better be in good shape because 40 runs in a game means your probably hitting 750 or better and need to properly run the bases 4 to 5 times a game. 7-2 games means you aen't on the basepaths form the batters box to the bench not much aenergy wasted in that endeavor.
Aug. 24, 2007
doker
Men's 60
168 posts
HEY GUYS!!! JUST ADDING TO 6'S DEMISE!!! WE ARE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING MOVED UP ...JUST THE TIMING OF IT....14AUG IS TOO LATE TO KICK A TEAM UP TO THE NEXT LEVEL...YES WE PLAYED IN THE TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS LAST YEAR AND CAME IN 3RD OF 6 TEAMS AT IT...BUT WE ARE A LITTLE DISCOURAGED TO SEE THE BLACKHAWKS WHO ALSO ATTENDED THE TOC ...AND WON IT!!!...AND THEY ARE STILL RANKED AA...HOW DO U EXPLAIN THAT???...NEXT YEAR WE WILL BE ADDING A FEW AAA PLAYERS ..YOU'LL SEE THEM IN VEGAS IN NOV....BUT RIGHT NOW WE WILL NOT BE COMPETITIVE IN THE AAA DIVISION AND AFTER ALL THAT IS ALL WE ASK...YES WE HAVE WON SEVERAL TOURNEYS THIS YEAR IN TEXAS BUT NOT ONE OF THE TOURNEYS HAD MORE THAN 3- 55 TEAMS AND WE WON ONE BECAUSE WE WERE TOP SEED AND RAIN SHORTENED THE TOURNAMENT...WE'LL SEE YA'S IN PHOENIX..BECAUSE WE LOVE THE GAME....AGAIN NOT UPSET WITH THE RANKING JUST THE LATE TIMING OF IT....DOKER37
Aug. 24, 2007
doker
Men's 60
168 posts
JUST SOME MORE ON THE RANKINGS!!!! WE HAVE THREE 55 TEAMS THAT PLAY EACH OTHER IN TEXAS......TANEL AUSTIN LONESTARS,RUSTY HOOKS,AND DALLAS SPURS.....THE TANEL TEAM IS THE ONLY ONE TO ATTEND THE TOC....TANEL HAS PLAYED THE RUSTY HOOKS SEVERAL TIMES AND HAVE SPLIT THRU OUT THE YEAR...WE HAVE BEATEN THE DALLAS SPURS AND THE HOOKS HAVE ALSO BEATEN THEM ..IF MY MEMORY IS RIGHT....EVERY TIME THIS YEAR!!!!...FOR SOME REASON THE INFO FED BACK TO HENNESSEY FROM PEOPLE OR PARTIES HERE IN TEXAS WANT TO MAKE ALL OF US AAA TEAMS...WHEN WE ALL SHOULD ACTUALLY BE RANKED AA....WE HAVE GOOD GAMES AMONGST OURSELVES BUT THE STATE PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW GOOD THE TEAMS ARE IN THE REST OF THE NATION AND HOW GOOD THE ACTUAL AAA TEAMS ELSEWHERE ARE....IF THEY HAD MORE TEAMS TO COMPARE US TO I COULD SEE THE HIGHER RANKING . THE DALLAS SPURS HAVE EVEN BEEN MOVED TO AAA AND THAT IS A REAL TRAVESTY......AND I REMEMBER PLAYING THE AAA TEAMS IN LAS CRUCES AND GETTING RUN RULED IN EVERY GAME...AND THE HOOKS HAVE NEVER WON ANYTHING. THEY PLAYED AAA AT SPA NATLS LAST YEAR AND WERE NOT COMPETITIVE AND YET THEY REMAINED AAA THIS YEAR...WHY??? WE TRULY LOVE THIS GAME AND REALLY TRY AN ATTEND ALL THE GOOD TOURNAMENTS ..BUT GET RERANKED AFTER GETTING A AA INVITATION TO THE BIG DANCE!!! NOT FAIR -THIS LATE...DISGUSTED ..DOKER37
Aug. 25, 2007
koived
41 posts
One thing I do agree with you doke, is that all of the teams that make it to the TOC should be automaticly bumped for the following season. Then you will be able to compete with other teams that are bumped. The best will be bumped from the level you are going to.
Aug. 25, 2007
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
koived, this is one thing I agree with you on, but why does softball teams have to pay for the ssusa delaying to make that call? #6
Aug. 26, 2007
doker
Men's 60
168 posts
HEY GUYS JUST ME AGAIN....THE TOURNAMENT THAT TANEL LONESTARS WON LAST YEAR WAS THE WINTER WORLDS IN LAS VEGAS....WHERE U ARE ALLOWED TO PICKUP 54 YR OLD PLAYERS THAT WILL PLAY WITH U IN THE NEXT YEAR AND WE DID PICKUP 2 GOOD PLAYERS!! BUT IT ISN'T LIKE WE WON THE TOURNEY BY 100 RUNS AS WE HAD TO WIN THE IF GAME AND WE DID THAT BY 1 RUN...AND THE TEAM WE BEAT WAS THE BLACKHAWKS...AND THEY WON THE TOC IN 55 AA AND ARE RIGHT NOW STILL RANKED AA....SO I HOPE U GUYS CAN APPRECIATE WHY WE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING RERANKED AT THIS LATE DATE...BY THE WAY OUR SPONSORS ARE IN NAME ONLY AS WE PAY OUR OWN WAY TO ALL TOURNEYS...BUD LIGHT ONLY GIVES US A COUPLE OF CASES OF BEER FOR THE LOCAL TOURNEYS..AND TANEL GIVES THE EQUIPMENT AND SHIRTS WE DISPLAY AT THEIR COST.....DOKER37
Aug. 26, 2007
Ken
Men's 55
462 posts
This isn't the first time that someone has questioned why the Blackhawks are still AA. If they won the TOC then they should have been bumped up. Right, Terry?
Aug. 27, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
BlackHawks: the TOC wasn't the only one they won, but in their defense, perhaps at least one reason they are where they are due to the loss of about 5 of their players.
Aug. 28, 2007
doker
Men's 60
168 posts
HEY TAITS....THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M UPSET ABOUT...THE RULES FOR MOVING A TEAM UP REGARDLESS OF LOSING PLAYERS...IS IF U HAVE 5 PLAYERS FROM THE PREVIOUS YEARS TEAM THAT U WON IN ...U MOVE UP...AND YET THEY DIDN'T!!!!!
Aug. 29, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Doker, your not going to get an argument from me.
But the reason for both of these teams to stay or move does deserve an explanation, imo, either by a personal note, letter or email or public message like here.
Aug. 29, 2007
mad dog
Men's 60
3938 posts
from what i have seen the blackhawks were bumped to AAA,did they get dropped down?
Aug. 29, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
mad dog,
Bob, I've yet to see a AAA on them, but it's possible. Currently AA, here any way.
How's TX?
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