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July 19, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2582 posts
NSA Nationals
I just found out that our team won't be able to play in the NSA Nationals because of injuries. I have already scheduled time off from work so I would still like to play there with someone.
I believe NSA will allow one player outside the normal geographical area (you should verify this). I can play 55 or 50, Major Plus, Major or AAA.
Email me at b_fairchild@hotmail.com. Be sure to enter Softball in the subject so I won't delete it as junk mail.
July 19, 2008
4x4
Men's 65
589 posts
Someone get in touch with Bruce. You're getting a great player and good guy.............
July 20, 2008
smooth01
Men's 50
120 posts
I thought you had to play in a qualifer for the team your going to play on,be on that roster AND signed in at the qualifier?
July 20, 2008
Wes
Men's 65
306 posts
I think you must only play in a qualifer with some team,
not your new team
Wes
July 20, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2582 posts
We've played in the NSA Nats for 6 years and haven't ever played in an NSA qualifier, probably because NSA doesn't hold senior qualifiers in Georgia.
July 20, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
I don't think the NSA tourney I played in here (CA) last year had a qualifier either.
July 20, 2008
rabbit
Men's 65
294 posts
NSA has no qualifiers for the NSA World series in any states,for seniors, that I know of, all you do is send in your check, but they do check the team ratings and will place you according to your rating. You will have to put your team rosters on line and send it to the main office, before the tourney starts and your team has to pay a $25.00 team registration, along with the $400.00 entry fee for a 5 game garantee.

Rabbit
July 21, 2008
armiho211
Men's 70
398 posts
NSA NATIONALS- 7/25- 7/27-- 65 majors- who else is coming ?? texas legends 65's will be there.
July 21, 2008
armiho211
Men's 70
398 posts
correction:: texas legends 65's are not coming, just notified by manager that no other 65's will be there in the major division, and we opted not to go. sorry guys..
July 22, 2008
Airbosn
Men's 65
319 posts
Bruce, I don't want to steal your tread, but is any 60 major or major+ teams going to the NSA Nationals.

Len
July 22, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2582 posts
Not a problem Len.
I was told today that Joe Cauthron said that I couldn't play AAA.
July 22, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Kind of defeats the concept of "team, no?
July 22, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2582 posts
"Kind of defeats the concept of "team, no?"
????????
July 22, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
I think he is referring to keeping one player out or playing down when it is the team that wins or looses, not really one individual.
Lets face it, a player who plays major or m+ is marked, basically, for life, maybe this is at least one reason it's hard to get players to move up, let alone teams.
I wonder what happens when the team moves down or do they, from M & M+.
July 23, 2008
Airbosn
Men's 65
319 posts
Bruce, Here lately I have been hearing that players that can qualify for Hall of Fame (HOF) DONOT want that label. When an individual has the label major, major+ or HOF it limits their ability to play with different teams....I guess one day we will have a true "Impact Player" list and then the associations will have a rule allowing only 2 Impact Player per team...LMAO.

Len
July 23, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
What I meant was I always thought it more rewarding to go into tourneys and win them with our regular team, and not with any pickups. How do teams feels good when they only win because they picked up someone of Bruce's caliber.

Dance with who brung ya.
July 23, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2582 posts
Dirty, that's what I thought you meant.
Our team now has 4 injured players as the result of Tulsa and the rest of us really wanted to play in the NSA Nationals. We would gladly pick up 4 replacement players for this weekend but realisticly knew we couldn't put it together.
I was thinking that there may be a team that may be a player or two short that could use me and/or one of my teammates.
So, you're saying that if your team has enough injuries to bring your total number of players down to 10 or 11 you wouldn't think of picking up a couple of players for the nationals? Would a "National" title be any less rewarding?
I don't know of very many teams that have "closed" rosters for the rest of the year. Considering our ages, there is always the chance a player won't make it all year without pulling a hamstring or blowing out a knee.
What does everyone else think?
July 23, 2008
DoubleL10
Men's 65
797 posts
Bruce, I certainly agree with you. We just lost our sponsor (knee replacement), !B (prostate surgery) and LCF (work committment) for Lincoln. We would love to add some 60 Major Plus players but, realistically, that won't happen. We will have 11 unless something else happens. But we will show up and do our best. LL
July 23, 2008
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
Bruce,
I have played on a team that was down a few players due to work related issues and injuries, going into a World Championship. We had already paid the money for the tournament fee, so we picked up a few players from our own league to help out. We ended up winning the World Championship and believe me it felt just as good as any other championship that I have been a part of . So if you get the chance, I say go for it!
July 23, 2008
the wood
1071 posts
LL, Bruce et al:
You guys have been playing for a long, long time and at an extremely high level. You need not justify yourselves to some keyboard 'Wizard of Oz'. We all start the year with 'x' amount of healthy players and finish with less than 'x'. If the 'word processing malcontents' cannot/won't understand this, that's their problem.
You both play the game with class and you both pose a serious threat to the other team. Until some of these highly unknowns step forward and do the same, I say to heck with them. Those of us that know you and have played against you truly do know 'the score'.
A keyboard is a quasi-equalizer for the ones that don't/can't/won't show themselves on the field.
BW
July 24, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Bruce, Woody, LL and Scott,
Bruce.
Play with anyone who wants/needs you to play.
There's no problem or legitimate challenge to your situation and decision.
Good luck finding a team.
They'll be lucky to have you.
Woody,
Great seeing you, albeit briefly at SPA.
96 degrees at 8AM and it's effect all weekend
was the greatest challenge.
July 25, 2008
rabbit
Men's 65
294 posts
After Fridays seeding games, in the 50 Majors the lineup for Saturday will be
#1 - Motown Stars- 3 wins 0 losses- bye,plays winner of 4 & 5

# 2- Indiana Classics 2 wins 1 loss- bye,plays winnerof 3 & 6

# 3 Premier 2 wins 1 loss will play # 6 Doc's C -0-3

# 4- Checkcare( Riverside Paving) 1-2 will play # 5 Randy Smith 1-2

Fields are great, balls are not, a good even tourney and it is very Hot.

Rabbit
July 26, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
If a team is legitimately short on players, perhaps.

Just to improve the team, no way. Dance with who brung ya. That is what "team" means.
July 27, 2008
Jimmy # 7
28 posts
Dirty,I drive a truck coast to coast and I'm glad MOST team's allow me to play nightly. And they are kind about letting me play, JUST so they get to play also. You seem alittle PEEVED about a player wanting to play OUTSIDE of his team. ISN'T THAT WHY WE GO TO THE PARK IS TO PLAY and NOT BE OUTSIDE OF THE PLAYING AREA!!! I haven't seen this player play,BUT, I'd like to. And I play all Classes up or down when I travel. If he is a STUD and a player, let him play whereever and whenever he wants. Our 50 Major team played at Champaign last year with 9 and didn't win many, BUTT, we paid to play and did the best with what we brought. BRUCE, I know what your going thru, our team only played 3 tourney's DUE TO " TEAM PLAYER'S " playing GOLF rather than SOFTBALL last year. What part of Ga. do you live in and where do you play. Maybe I can get a run in your area and play or see you play. Does your complex have truck parking.
July 27, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2582 posts
Thanks Jimmy. It very seldom works out when you have players that put golf and other activities before a softball TEAM. I really enjoy golf but it is not my priority at this time in my life. (At one time I was a 6 hcp.)
As for our league, we play Tuesday nights at Hobgood Park in Woodstock, Ga, 4 miles off Interstate 575 about 30 miles north of Atlanta. The fall league should start in a couple of weeks. There should be room to park you rig. Check out our website, http://www.cssasoftball.com/
July 28, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Guys wanting to play I understand. But "teams" picking up ringers for a tournament is wrong. So what if you win using someone else's player(s)?

Where did pride disappear to among guys our age, or these days any age for that matter?
July 28, 2008
the wood
1071 posts
Dirty, this may catch you by surprise but I personally agree with you in concept. I believe that a team owes it to its current roster of players before it allows an outside player to play. But there are times when it does make sense... for instance if LL's TX team could pick up 1-2 guys for NE, this would give them 13 players. In the 60 division, this COULD mean the difference between playing into Sunday and being done after 2 DE games. Recognize that the operative word is 'could'... I'm in no way counting the TX team out nor am I saying that by picking someone up (to fill the void) that it guarantees that they'd be playing longer.
At our age, we're not as verstile defensively as we once were so picking up known 'gazelles' can be a boon. It can also work against a team. We won't do it unless it is a much needed player to fill a vacated position (such as pitcher).
But this is not a new practice and isn't age-based. I can remember us doing this in 1974 to play in the USSSA World Series (Pinole, CA). It didn't work well for us at the time but it has in other instances.
Going from 11 to 13 players may seem like a problem for the manager but it might also give everyone more 'at bats' by staying around longer... and more rest. We did this in a pre-season event earlier this year because we were short 2 pitchers. It worked out well for us in that situation but the 'outside guy' had already played for us so he came in 'knowing the score'... i.e. how we handled those type of matters.
Don't lose sight of the fact that senior softball is primarily a friendly atmosphere (message board aside) and that all of us make sacrifices at different times. This is made more plausible when the folks are all friends... of one sort or another. If we aren't friends to some degree then we shouldn't be playing together.
In my view, a problem larger than an outside guy is when you have a full time player that is on a 'totally different page' than the team. He's there all year and it only gets worse. At least the outside guy only presents a short term issue... and this is only if it isn't handled well by the mgr.
Let the record show that I did agree with you on something... at least partially.
BW
July 28, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Woody, my good man,
You have the kindness and patience of a saint
and I promise I won't tell anyone.
Eric Hoffer, longshoreman and writer said,
"Something has died in a man who can no longer praise the living."
Don't waste your time on the dead and gone.
July 29, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
what do you think guys,dirty is gary-19.same ol crap,different sign on.he used this sign on for softball fans.why do you(gary)have to tear everything down?
July 29, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Nice to see Gump is still full of useless drivel.

Wood, I appreciate the somewhat agreement on your part, but a big part of me still thinks you dance with you brung you or you just don't dance. Though again, I might get filling a particular need for a particular situation but you NEVER sit a regular player for a ringer, errrrrr fill-in.
July 29, 2008
the wood
1071 posts
Joe, can I quote you on that? :-)
Actually, just last week my 18-year-old daughter told me how little patience I have... in great detail. Why I'm less patient with her than I am with teammates is a question that I need to ponder. Maybe it's because she reminds me of my wife...
:-)
July 29, 2008
the wood
1071 posts
Gary, you are free to handle your virtual world of softball as you see fit. As the mgr, chief navigator, primary bottle washer, quarter master, etc., of our team, it is my responsibility to maintain our schedule as best I can. Only 3-4 of our guys are retired... several of the others have to take vacation days in order to make all of the road trips... and ALL of our events are road trips for someone. Our guys make the effort to book flights as quickly as possible in order to save airfare, whether it's reimbursed or not. For all of these reasons using your strategy of not going to a pre-season event is not viable for us...
We have a roster of 17 but this can be undermined at times as we recognize that family, jobs and injuries are valid conflicts. With all of this in mind, we stay the course...
Aside from all of this, we also feel an obligation to the other teams that are making a road trip to play us. This is not as much of an issue in virtual softball... we make every effort to honor the real relationships that we have formed over the years.
BW
July 29, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Have your guys ever calculated what they pay in total per game to play in these events? My guess is over the course of a season it runs perhaps hundreds of dollars PER GAME.

Again, filling a need is one thing. Bringing ringers is quite another.
July 29, 2008
Lecak
Men's 55
1004 posts
Bob your missing the point. I believe I have the answer FANTASY SENIOR SOFTBALL. Also I suggest that before anyone answers a question from now on it should be proceeded by WHAT WOULD GARY DO? Who freakin cares.
July 29, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
You must, you posted about me.

Or were you asking that about Gump's comments?
July 30, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
by the way gary who do you play with?i know its not schones as they won't have you on thier team(have talk to couple of the team members).


gump???????
July 30, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Correct. I did not play particularly well when I was with them. No disputing that.

Not traveling right now. It is just not cost-justifed to travel and play in such small brackets.
July 30, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
He reminds me MUCH more of Forest Gump than Einstein. Just read his drivel.
Aug. 4, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
Tait: Your right there are may factors involved concerning each field. I can judge by my own field which is clay with very little sand if any and doesn't drain at all. The crown on the infield is gone and there are low spots at home plate, 3rd and SS and a little at 2nd base.
Even after heavy rains at night it takes me about an hour to get the field brushed off of water and spreading of drying material over the muddy spots. I use stone dust if a pile is available or speedi-dry.

The one thing wrong about doing that by the time the game starts I am all tired out. So sometimes it is not worth it and we just call the game off.
Aug. 4, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
Fred S.
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