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| Nov. 29 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | how many players can a AAA team add from M+ players,and still be AAA. |
| Nov. 29 butch17 Men's 55 412 posts | mad dog, Is this a trick question. :) |
| Nov. 29 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | mmmmm could be doc,with my best bugs bunny voice.. i just heard a rumor about something. |
| Nov. 29 Wes Men's 65 335 posts | It's my understsnding, BUT I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE, that you can take no more than five player from an old team and start a new team at a new level... I would like staff to say for sure what the rule is. Wes |
| Nov. 30 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | I've been told that you can't have any M+ players an a AAA team. This is why Kayson's 50 team moved to major, so they could pick up M+ players. Now for reality. I know of several that play for a AAA team. They were suposedly individually approved by associations. When it comes to playing in associations other than SPA or SSUSA I don't think there is much said. |
| Nov. 30 DoubleL10 Men's 70 907 posts | Bob, It depends. I've been a M+ player my senior career but this past year our Texas 60 M+ team disbanded. Since there were no other options at that level in Texas, a few of us merged with a AAA team and moved up to Major. I now consider myself and my teammates Major players after a year at that level. I also played 50 AAA a few times this year. |
| Nov. 30 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | well this is what i had passed on to me,a AAA team in the cal cup this yr added some M+ players and won thier div.it was brought up but nothing was done or any sanctions.team was told they couldn't use them any more.oh the win of the div stood. |
| Dec. 1 Duke Men's 65 908 posts | Mad Dog, I know the exact incident you are talking about here. I was there when the embarassing situation got heated. The ONLY postive thing about the whole thing was that the team that put in the protest/comnplaint did the exact same thing to my team in a Reno tournament. Now that team can see how it is when the tables are turned. LOL! Andy Smith |
| Dec. 1 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | While in Naples at the Winternationals I talked with an old advarsary that played with Thermco/Sportsplex. He said that he was told that he couldn't play AAA, even though there wasn't a Major or Major Plus team there with room for him. |
| Dec. 1 hitt2 353 posts | Mad dog Let's set the record straight! There was a protest made. But it was after the Cal Cup. My team was involved. From the team players prospective we had the victory in our hand even though they loaded up; errors prevented us from holding the top seed on Saturday. Came back Sunday and forced a second game in the championship. It showed us the metal within ourselves to succeed. Duke In Reno we played with the team that we start the season with and some players didn't participate due to injuries. We had no player on the roster that were listed as Major or Major +. Mind you, YEARS, ago they may have been, but presently not. We ran the table undefeated because of the effort we have put in to prepare for the season. Your statement "Now that team can see how it is when the tables are turned. LOL!" Is a Crock! We show up we play whoever is in the bracket after all we are all 55yrs old or older. If you look at our roster we are balanced with guys that are 55 – 60+. Get real! Sounds to me you didn’t like getting beat by us in the meeting we had this season. Put the whining towel away. Why is it when a team puts in the work to get better and to progress in the program individuals want to bag on them? When they move us up after 2 tourney we didn't complain. (The rule states after 3 victories teams are to be moved.) We put it on the field and our coach added players to replace the ones that were injured or decided to leave the team because they didn't want to play at a higher level. During the season we practice and work to get better as a team. When we move to AAA two solid players were added. Both played for another team in Reno.Who is the Major+ player that's been on our team all season? Name the position. So before you add to the rumor mill get the facts right. Hitts |
| Dec. 1 Duke Men's 65 908 posts | Hitt2, From your statement, "Get Real! Sounds to me you didn't like getting beat by us in the meeting we had this season", it appears you took my previous statement as your team. My team has never played the team that I am talking about EVER. We did play a team that had Major/Major plus players some 3-4 years ago. That is past, but remembered. What team are you from? If you played my team this year, then I was definitely not referring to your team. I played on Double Nickels in the 55 Major division. BTW, I do not like losing to anyone, but I will live with it. LOL! Have a nice holiday! Andy Smith |
| Dec. 1 Duke Men's 65 908 posts | Hitt2, From reading some of your past posts, I believe your team is the Blackhawks?? I was not referring to your team, and have never played them. My team was a 55 Major team, Double Nickels. I am trying to leave the actual teams involved off the message board at this time, but they know who they are. Anyone else feeling guilty? LOL! Obviously, no one really cares to know anyway. If you really want to know, just give me a call anytime Monday thru Thursday between 1 PM and 5 PM at 805-814-9694. I will be happy to give you the facts. Andy Smith |
| Dec. 1 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | Why all the concern about guys playing in the "right" classification? Does anyone remember when we all played and there was only ASA Open? Not A, B, C D, Q, Z, AAA, AA, and so on. Was everyone miserable then? |
| Dec. 1 hitt2 353 posts | Duke I apologize as I was confusing you with some one else. You did some good research. Knowing the other offenders of the rule doesn't really matter to me. I don't feel guilty about a thing. I felt I was defending my team and teammates as our coach plays by the rules as it sounds like yours team also does. I don’t want the standings changed as we loss on the field. But what it took top beat us was questionable. For the teams that play by the rules, Most respect. Those looking for and edge around the rules it will eventually catch up to them. Hopefully we will play you in the future. I wish you and your teammates the best. Thank-you for the clarification. Again I apologize for the confusion. Dirty No we weren't miserable back then we just played. However the power that be have made various levels of play to increase participation over the years. For the Senior level; I feel there should only be 3 AA, AAA and Major+. Which will increase team numbers and maybe increase the bracket and get yourself and other that feel like you to again participate in the tourney game out side your own backyard? What do you think? Yes cheater need to be held accountable, be it bat shaving, or violation of rules. How can a ballplayer feel good about a game if it take cheating to win as no accomplishment is achieved. It’s a simple game lets play. Hitts |
| Dec. 1 Duke Men's 65 908 posts | Hitt2, No problem at all. It probably should have all been avoided, if I simply mentioned the teams by name. Have a safe and happy holiday. Andy Smith |
| Dec. 1 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | hitt, that might have been why they did it, well they actually probably did it to pad their pocketbooks. But the truth is the game is far less popular then it was in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Could be for a number of reasons, but obviously the proliferation of classes did have any legs. I would rather see just two classes, call them what you will the names aren't important. We are all men with two arms and two legs, no need for all this fine-tooth comb dividing of players and teams. |
| Dec. 1 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | lets see,dirty says we didn't have clasifications,i've played since the mid to late 70's and there has always been different classes. hitt if duke is right about your team,its who i heard it from. duke good luck with your team this yr.its me bob,played that rainy nov in vegas with ya's back a few yrs. |
| Dec. 4 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | If I recall correctly is was right around that time that ASA added A, so at that point they had just two. Utrip might have had more then, I am not sure Utrip really didn't come around NE Ohio until the early to mid 80s. And I don't think they had as many classes then as they do now, nor as many as Seniors do now. Again, we are all flesh and blood men, let's just play each other and the best men win. |
| Dec. 4 DoubleL10 Men's 70 907 posts | Bob, Dirty is correct. I started playing in the 60s and there was only one ASA class - open. Only one qualifier per Region went to the Nationals back then. You had to win the regional qualifier to qualify for the Nationals. Actually, when I first began, there was only ASA. USSSA started up later and there were several lawsuits before USSSA became a viable alternative. In fact, when USSSA first started, I was told (in Atlanta where I was at the time) that if our team played USSSA, we would not be allowed to play ASA. That's what the lawsuits were about. |
| Dec. 4 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | larry thats a bit before my time,i didn't start playing softball regularly till mid/late 70's,before that i played BB mostly.military was 69-73.now when i did start to play alot there was div's. i remember the lawsuits and such back then. |
| Dec. 5 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | Larry, that is my recollection. Back then you truly had to earn your way to Nationals, and there was only one real National champion. Just a much better setup then. |
| Dec. 6 LP 317 posts | her's a good one about a texas team that started out as major for 2009 got dropped to AAA then went on to win in vegas world as a AA team. and we are told you cant drop down two levels a s a player but i guess its ok for a team to get dropped down two levels. there needs to be some consistency and fairness in senior ball. have a rule and live with it or do away with it. |
| Dec. 6 LP 317 posts | her's a good one about a texas team that started out as major for 2009 got dropped to AAA then went on to win in vegas world as a AA team. and we are told you cant drop down two levels a s a player but i guess its ok for a team to get dropped down two levels. there needs to be some consistency and fairness in senior ball. have a rule and live with it or do away with it. |
