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May 9, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
I personally guarantee
that if there were 2 senior tournaments in the same town,
one using good bats and balls and screens
and the other crappy bats and balls
that you could charge 3 times the amount of entry fee for the one with the screens
and still fill the roster
while the other tournament would have trouble getting ANY teams to sign up.
Those people who are pushing that safety
is the issue but don't advocate screens
are revealing their not so hidden agendas and errant judgments.
We don't need or want to go to lesser equipment.
The argument to go to USSSA bats
instead of senior bats is ludicrous.
USSSA bats are as hot or hotter than senior bats as we witnessed this weekend
in Pleasanton at a one day event
using USSSA bats and good 44x375 balls.
Guys broke out the new USSSA
DeMarini models
and the ball exploded off the bat
just like with U2's.
Thanks Timmy and Manny and Kurt.
We had a great time and look forward
to doing it again.

May 9, 2010
Longhorns
39 posts
Morning joe what a fun tourn. Its over too now our teamates can be with there familes on Mothers Day. I agree with you the balls were jumping off the USSSA bats made it alot of fun to hit. How about that Miken Super Freak what a great bat its as close to a senior bat as i have found when broken in. Hope to see you guys in Merced in two weeks. Jeff the guy running the tourns trying to get some teams from Fresno, Bakerfield area to come down. I also want to thank Timmy for letting us no about the Tourn. an for Manny running a good tourn. Take Care Kurt.
May 9, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Thanks, Kurt.
Losing 15 to 14 to you guys in a well fought and tough final
in the 5th game on Saturday
says it all.
Great softball, great teams
and what a work out.

We can't make Merced.
Don't have enough but will be back in June.
You're right.
That Super Freak is an awesome USSSA bat
as hot or hotter, from being end loaded
than any senior bat and along with the DeMarini's Ricky brought out
for you guys the argument about how much safer the USSSA bats would be
gets ridiculous.
You're the best, Kurt
and breathe character and respect
into the Longhorns and our tournaments.
Good luck in Merced.
May 9, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Einstein,
League games mom and pop tourneys, are not on the same scale as the other 'major' tournaments.
your own statement on the bats
"USSSA bats are as hot or hotter than senior bats as we witnessed this weekend in Pleasanton at a one day event using USSSA bats and good 44x375 balls.
Guys broke out the new USSSA DeMarini models
and the ball exploded off the bat just like with U2's."
I'd think shown relevance to lowering "senior" bat standards would be wise. If not for "safety" sake alone
I can live with what ever is decided, But the proof in in the attendance, and remarks as afterthoughts.
I had a ball come at me last month (turlock) at my left side of face, I had time to throw my glove up to catch it, but the glove flew off and caught my hand, dead center. Wasn't pleasant. Just bought a mask from Trumpball, but thinking of maybe exchanging for catchers mask.... for more neck protection.
A HR is a HR. Be it by a foot or more it still is the same, a walk off. Ego is tho only additional factor one can look for. I think your better than that.
We hit them out with the old EST's, So it shouldn't be a big deal to down size the bats and go with better balls again like they used to use.

May 9, 2010
curveball
Men's 65
400 posts
Einstein, I agree with which tournaments would have the greatest number of teams. I think the vast majority already realize it also.
May 9, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3939 posts
i would take either one and would have fun at both no matter what our equipment that we had to use.you just don't understand it is about competing not how far you can hit a ball,do ya.
May 9, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Bob you and I and many others know there are some players who just dont enjoy playing defense and advocate what is now being called "good bats and lively balls".
And now everyone who doesnt agree, has a personal agenda, self interest and or doesnt care about safety because we dont choose to play with a screen in the middle of the infield, wants to kill Senior Softball.
There is a place for the screen, as we have read here and in different posts, but it sure isnt during tournament play. It would make much more sense to cool the ball down.
May 10, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I don't believe I ever said the majority would not go with the live equipment and the bastardized game. I just said that reveals a lot about the insecure among us.
May 10, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
It's about fun, guys and fairness
and making some changes to accommodate
the most of us, more than the few.
Spock was right.
The needs of the many are more important than the needs of the few.
Lively bats and balls, forever
and if winning, participation,
camaraderie and increased revenue are important than free defensive subbing
is way better than batting everyone
picnic style.

May 10, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I don't think everyone should bat, either. I agree that is like a company picnic.

Why is the senior game so dumbed-down? I know we are a lot older than we used to be, but this is not rugby. Or tackle football. Or hardball. Or even fast-pitch for that matter.

It is a game the 8 year old girls were playing before fast-pitch became so prevalent.
May 10, 2010
titanhd
Men's 50
335 posts
This same discussion is going on with the non senior tournaments.Senior bats are supposedly hotter than what USSSA is using.They are younger,reaction are quicker and they are saying it's too much.Our abilities are diminshed but we use hotter equipment. go figure.. A few posts below from another web site.

The ball used at the Conference tourneys are waaaaaayyyyyyyyyy to good!!!!
Posted by Veteran on May 9, 2010, 3:02 am

Why in the hell do these guys who put this stuff on feel like they need to put players lifes in danger? So everyone can wow how far the big teams hit it? So the big teams can scare the Schit out of everyone? Take a long look folks, it is rediculous that it is almost imperative that pitchers wear masks. When the game was good, how many pitchers did you see have to wear a mask? NOooo ONE!!!!!!!!!!!! THe balls used this year are sick. Where are the days when you had to hit it in a hole, or hit a line drive, or hit a home run to get a hit? Now, just smash it hard on the ground right at someone and chances are, your on!!!!! The bats are a big problem but the balls are the biggest problem!!!!!!!!!!

There is no more defense or hitting, the ball has to be miss hit right at someone for outs. Small turds hitting home runs...

Their site has a Einstein as well: His comments below

Just play with a screen, whats the big deal? keep screen in play because sometimes the pitchers catches the ball sometimes he does not. hit the screen and let the lard azz catcher do something!

Anyway... same discussion different arena.There has to be a middle ground bat ball combo that works.Obviously we're not there yet

TITAN
May 10, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3939 posts
titan couldn't of said it better.i think the 52-275 ball would bring the game back to where it belongs(offense and defense).
by the way dipty the game was started by some ivy league guys for men to play indoors.
May 10, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
And then became EXTREMELY prevalent for little girls outdoors.

Until even they transitioned to fast-pitch.
May 10, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Lets see, we have changed bats (ongoing) , balls (many times), added bags, added a commit line, added a second plate or line at home plate, made body armour mandatory, or sign a waiver, pitcher screens, 300' fences (now obsolete), and if some have their way, instead of "Picnic Style" Lineup we are to have a "Picnic Style" revolving door for substituing defensive players. This shouldnt add more then 4 or 5 players to a roster.
Wow! that should be fun. I can hardly wait to hear whats next.
From what is being written across this entire board, the wants of the many already outweigh the wants of the one.
It isnt broken........why continue to try and break it?
May 11, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
You guys, E and Bob,
are starting to make me look good
I'm beginning to see and that's not easy to do.
The cynical, smelly, self serving
and thankfully unpopular
gibberish that continues to "slide"
out of your gullets continues to make me
and the great majority of players
look solidly correct.
Thanks and keep up the good work.
Lively bats and balls forever
and come to think of it,
free defensive subbing
would help the senior game
a ton, too.
May 11, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Einy, man we are trying to make you look good, but you are making it way to difficult if not impossible.
The 52/275 will solve many problems with minimal expense. And it will bring the balance of offense and defense back to our game, without the radical changes some are asking for, thats the fun the Majority are looking for. Its also the way our game was meant to be played.
If thats cynical, smelly, or self serving gibberish so be it.
If you cant play "D" then I guess Free Defensive Subbing is the answer.

May 11, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Lively balls were good with the EST's and even before those good bats, so why are the EST types not good enough now? You hit them out as I recall back then just as I did, They are just as sweet, to me at least, even if not 50 feet further.
As for subs, we basically have that now, you just don't have to bring 20 players to the field to use half for "D" and the other half for "O".
May 11, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3939 posts
E4/E6,as usual i have to agree with you.
i guess we need to expand our rosters to 20 players so all those that don't or want to play defense b/c,[ 1) they are to lazy or 2) just don't have a fully rounded game],so we can have fun.
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