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Discussion: MCT Balls

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June 21, 2010
Foothills
Men's 55
76 posts
MCT Balls
Einstein I agree on microcell balls . Hit well no matter what the temperature is . Should be the mandatory ball used from May thru September . That is if the TD`s are concerned more about us enjoying the game than there bottom line .The comment the Td made about being "fortunate" , that the major plus guys played ,(in Carson City), on a field where the wind blew in , says it all . JB
June 21, 2010
DaveDowell
Men's 60
1071 posts
Foothills ... What I actually wrote was:

"...It was NOT a random accident of scheduling for the 50-Major+ to play exclusively on Fields #4 and #7 ... Those fields hit "uphill" (#4 hits toward the upper parking lot and #7 hits up the mountain) where the potential (not to be confused with probability) to recover home run balls is higher than it is on Fields #5 (downhill toward the tennis courts) and #6 (rattlesnake acres) ... The wind direction was merely a Field Directors's bonus!..."

In this instance (Carson City), it was ONLY topography that influenced the 50-Major+ field assignments and NOT wind direction ... The fields mentioned do hit "uphill" into a mountain and a parking lot ... But on further reflection, so long as many (most?) teams decline to meet the spirit and intent of Rulebook Section ß9.3 (the "You hit 'em, you git 'em" rule), maybe it IS an excellent idea to start taking a look at the normal direction of the prevailing winds as a factor in field assignments at specific facilities ... Thanks for the idea!

June 21, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey John,
I love the MCT ball too but
if we all try to and/or are willing
to work together to avoid throwing
the baby out with the bath water
we'll figure a way, SSUSA and us,
to make it work.
They made a stand in our direction
to keep the good 44 x 375 balls
in play and we can expect them
to want to help us work it out.
We can buy more balls or pay 15 more dollars a team to put folks over the fences in the key parks to retrieve
them.
The way the economy is going it wouldn't be difficult to hire some teens or semi-retired folks to hang out and walk down some balls.
June 21, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
As I have said before
I will be the first and certainly
not the last player to vacate
any association that does not/
will not look to help us have/play
the game we want/need/deserve to play.
Lively bats and balls, forever.
June 22, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Joe I have a serious question, if, in the unlikely event the good balls are taken away and every association makes the change, where would you play?
I know you wont stop playing and I wont stop playing and I am very sure there arent more thern a hand full of Seniors who will stop playing, what are our options? In your opinion.
June 22, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey John,
Seriously, there's no way in hell
I/we'll stop playing with the equipment
we prefer.
There's also a lot of smoke being blown
around which ball we'll all be forced
to use and I don't believe the hype
or the ability to make anyone
cow tow or get in line.
We, SSUSA, NCSSA, Huntsman,
LVSSA just to name a few
like the equipment the way it is, now
and we'll just have to see what
and who changes when all the dust settles, won't we.
This is still America, John
and no one is gonna stop/keep anyone or any association from doing what they
want to do.
We all have lawyers and constituents
and it won't be over till the fat lady sings and she's not even moved into town, yet.
June 22, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
The key here is us getting/being involved
and showing where we stand.
No one is going to move off or from
us if we let them now what we demand
and expect.
No one.
We'll sign waivers or use screens
or whatever we need to
to keep playing the game we love
and want to play, locally and nationally.
June 22, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Joe let me re-phrase my question........What "if" our good 44/375 balls were taken away, where then would you play? Please dont read anything into my question, its a simple what if?
June 22, 2010
Foothills
Men's 55
76 posts
Dave . I never did get the "you hit em you get em rule ". I have owned restaurants for years and this would be like me telling the customers to wash their own dishes ,because ,they got them dirty . In my opinion , your tournaments have always been well organized and considering the logistics , this is no small feat . But I have never gotten the feeling , that your sole intent , is to please the customer . The tone of your replys have seemed to get more and more confrontational.I remember a situation in Scottsdale , where one of the guys on the team took his band off and you were very ticked off about it . I can understand the frustratiion , but things happen . I realize you will never please everyone and that this gets very frustrating . Believe me I know . But when a business owner gets tired and starts to take it out on his "customers" . In my opinion . It is time to move on and let someone who realizes , that without happy customers , the business will suffer . If I am reading you wqrong I aplogize . If we have to pay a little more to make sure we are always using MCT ball over 90 degrees and Baden Fires the rest of the time , I don`t think it would be a big deal .This would solve the problem and we could get on with just enjoying the game with what time we have left . I know I wouldn`t care and I pay the full amount for my team .
June 22, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
John, that's like
what would you eat
if there was no more food
on the planet?
They're not going to be taken away,
our balls that is, one way or another.
It's impossible, won't happen
and wouldn't be tolerated.
There's way too many of us
to be messed with, John,
or vanquished or unattended.
But if you're asking would I not play
if the bat/ball combo was unacceptably
dissatisfying?
You betcha!
June 22, 2010
Foothills
Men's 55
76 posts
That makes 2 of us Joe . Go fishing ,or play more golf ,or find an organiztion that gives us a good combo .
June 22, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3938 posts
E4/E6 as you see there is never a direct answer to any questions asked,always side stepping them.personally i will still play no matter what equipment we use.in fact i'm doing it now with the kids in playing ASA and USSSA.i just hit the ball where they aren't,dang what an idea,instead of trying to bang it out every time up.maybe if we could put our ego's in check,we might enjoy a conventional game instead of bang away.
foothills i think its been you hit it you get it for the longest time,even before ssusa.i know when i played in Sacramento(80-92) we had to for league's and tourney's.we already pay enough for tourney fee's and this would increase them for added personal.
June 22, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Ignorant AND wrong.
That's a tough combo to beat, champ.

Right on, John B.
June 23, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Not quite the same as eating Joe, but I get your drift.
We know there will be a change, it will be interesting to see who holds true to their word when it comes to quitting Senior Softball.
Personally I wont quit anything until I'm done. Its just not part of my character or personality. Good, bad or indifferent.
June 23, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
That wouldn't have served you well
in Germany around 1942, John.
Sometimes, it's best to re-evaluate
than stay the course, like with what's going on the middle East
or the national-international
energy policy.
And yes, I will NOT play
as loudly as I can
if we succomb/capitulate
to the dumb down the bats/balls movement
in a way that we lose our "game"
and our game.
June 23, 2010
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Who is changing? I'll be shocked if LVSSA makes any changes. E4/E6 the other associations it sounds like you know something for certain. Given your expectations for change I could see LVSSA entertaining additional tournaments under our current format. I know I would push the membership to think about it.
June 23, 2010
thebull
Men's 50
59 posts
Iíve been following the discussions about the 52/275 balls, Iíve heard negative and positive comments about the ball but nothing descriptive enough for me to form an opinion. SO, I decided to find out for myself and bought a dozen, went out yesterday and put them to the test.
Here were the conditions. Iím big and hit consistently with power, weather was high 90ís and sunny, elevation is 5000í, field with 300í fences. We started a mixture of Trump and Decker 44/375 balls as well as the 52/275, left them all in the sun for about 15 minutes then started. I was using a Miken Freak Limited and was hitting the 44/375 balls consistently between 330í and 360í with an occasional 380Ē plus. I didnít put any of the 52/275ís out but did hit the fence a couple of times.
Next round I hit using the Ultra 2, the results with the 44/375ís was about the same except I hit more out due to the larger sweet spot, I did hit the 52/250 harder with the Ultra and hit two line drives out at about 320í. A Friend who also hits with power had similar results.
Hereís my opinion for whatís its worth. The 52/275 is Junk, it hits bad, feels bad and sounds bad and is bouncy. Sounds like an Old Lady beating a Rug in the back yard. I understand that sound and feel are not as important as performance but it lacks in performance also. This ball hits like the 16Ē much ball I hit years ago in Arizona in Recreational Tournaments. If this ball is used it will completely change the game, yes I can hit it out but too infrequently and would not even try. The game would become a base hitting placement game, which I believe is what itís proponents really want, take the big power hitters out of the game and reduce hitting to the lowest common denominator so everyone is equal.
Anyway, if Seniors switch to the 52/275 I will still play locally but would not spend my money to travel to Tournaments, the Teammates Iíve spoken with feel the same.
theBull
June 23, 2010
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
This discussion is basically academic as if I understand it right the 44/375 MCT's are no longer being made as they have been banned by the ASA.

Some of us who still have them are hoarding them.

Though I think the 44/400 is still being made but I never found them to be as good as the 44/375's.

The replacements for the MCT's I don't find are as good.
June 23, 2010
thebull
Men's 50
59 posts
Fred, didn't know 44/375 aren't being made any longer. Where do you find that information. I looked at the ASA website and searched it and did't find any info. theBull
June 23, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Joe you have a way about you my friend. But this isnt Germany, Iraq, Afganistan, or any other war torn area in our world.
I am in total agreement with most who dont want to play with a sock, but will if thats all there is in the interim. Will we travel as much? Hard to say until that time comes.
I for one will not stop playing something I love as much as our game.
That is like cutting off your nose to spite your face, it solves nothing and only makes you look bad.
TheBull, we called those 16" balls "Punkin Balls", after 2 innings it was a poke to get them out of the infield.
June 23, 2010
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
From Bob at Evil Sports. ASA last year decided to strictly enforce the ball standards like they have on the bats and the Evil/Trump MCT and the Dudley TA's were no longer approved for ASA play which is a way of saying that they are banned.
June 23, 2010
JamesLG
303 posts


I believe you would see a lot fewer teams travel and pay there hard earned money to go play with a mush ball. I would also venture to say the folks at Miken would be hurt by the loss of sales. I play and pay to hit a good ball with a good bat as do most of the guys I know.

Thanks:

James
June 23, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
It seems everyone thinks any new ball introduced will be a sock, the past proves that wrong. Given a challenge manufactures have always managed to come back with what we want.
A ball and bat combo that hit well and hold up under adverse conditions.
June 23, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey John.
The point I'm trying to make
is that ball change or anything else
for that matter
only goes down when WE say it does
because we make the choices
to spend or not spend our money.
They can't stop a man or company
from trying to make a living
selling us balls
nor should they and they won't stop me
or anyone else from seeking, finding
and developing tournaments in which to play our game.
No freakin' way.
This is still America.
June 23, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Free enterprise at its finest!

Theoretically you're right Joe, but until we get an association in place to rival the big boys, they call the shots. You can talk about it all you like, but thats all it is, is talk.
Maybe its time to walk the walk.
Getting anything organized on the scale necessary would be incredibly time and $$$ consuming. At our ages by the time it was in place on a large enough scale our kids would be playing Senior ball.
Kinda like fighting City Hall so to speak.
June 24, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
It's much ado about nothing for me,
John.
We will find/develop a way to play
the game we want to play
or we'll move on.
It's possible to get a sense
of what's been going on in and around
us regarding the latest changes
in bats and balls
and it's not the juggernaut of civility
and safety it's cracked up to be.
Lots of greed, self interest
and hypocrisy going on...
typical Americana circa 2010
business as usual and
we still have the right to chose.
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