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| June 20 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | I don't want to start a thread with gripes and complaints but have any of your team been moved up in ratings lately? I know of one and I really can't see a reason for the move. They haven't won a qualifier yet and were even run ruled twice by a team in the division that they were move to. I won't say any more about it because I am sure that their manager has already discussed this with those that made that decision. |
| June 20 Airbosn Men's 70 329 posts | Hey Bruce I feel the pain. We formed a new team in Oct 05,and came in as AAA as per the rules. Won the 60+ SPA Winter Nation, was rerated to major in April 06 and now as of 16 June 06 we are major+. 2 rerates in six months. Working the the appeal this evening. |
| June 21 Stones 1B Men's 55 52 posts | A Funny thing happen on the way to the Forum... If you start a new team, you are rated AAA? But if your area director can verify that you are not a AAA team then you can be rated AA? If then you are a new team and rated AAA and go on to play and are not a AAA team how can you revert to AA? Appeal process...appeal to who? The tournament that you just participated in? SSUSA? National Senior Ratings? Here in Hawaii we don't have a real senior league for our 50's. Yes I heard about Family Stones winning the Vegas 50 AA division and are now a AAA team which is fair. But what about the other teams coming out of this state. AAA or AA? A new team just go together and they hear that they are AAA but the Fresh Poke from Maui who finished 2nd to that Family Stones team in the Vegas tournament is still AA? But I am still a firm believer in the clasifications or else all hell will break loose and teams will sandbag and others will not play. |
| June 21 OREO Men's 60 88 posts | OTHER TEAMS FEEL YOUR PAIN, TALKED TO FRIEND WHO PLAYS 50S, BEEN BEAT BY 2 TEAMS IN TEXAS PRIDE & SAN ANTONIO TEAM BADLY EACH TIME & THEY ARE RATED AA LIKE HIS TEAM. HE THINKS THEY ARE STRONG AAA OR MAYBE MAJOR. GOOD LUCK ON APPEAL. |
| June 22 jc24 96 posts | Well..this is a MIGHTY SORE SUBJECT for our team, even though we lost 13 off our roster and only 2 guys left off the original team. We get penalized for WINNNG last year, even though we give them the proper paper work, 2 pages of documentation for reclassification. WHY...if you win a National Championship, lose 13 guys off your roster and made to move to AAA? How...can you expect a team to compete when you aren't even told you have to move UP till April of 2006?????????? Real fair....!!!! Let's see...2 tournaments.....1-4 and 1-3. Win 1 -against AA Win 2 -against AAA missing several players UPSET...U BET!!!! |
| June 22 JTS2 Men's 55 88 posts | I was told that anyone on a team that won a world and got moved up has to play in the upper division. If you win a world you should have to move up and the associations should enforce the rule. That's always been the problem iwhen the summit make a rule and the associations don't enforce the rules. Enjoy your world championship from last year and take your medicine thia year and quit crying. |
| June 23 OREO Men's 60 88 posts | CALIFORNIA TEAM WON 2003 AA SPA. LOST PLAYERS SO THEY WERE ABLE TO PLAY AA IN 04. DID NOT DO WELL BUT WERE NOT FORCED UP IN 04. BELEIVE TEAM WAS GOLDEN BEARS> |
| June 23 Ken Men's 55 462 posts | jc24, You’re upset? How upset would the AA teams you beat last year be if they didn’t move you up? Like JTS2 said, you won a national tournament, so take your medicine and quit crying. I played on a team 3 years ago with guys that wanted to stay AA, even though we were winning all the qualifiers and creaming the other teams. We deserved to be moved up but all these guys wanted was the “RING”. We were moved up and competed very well against the AAA teams even though we lost twice to a bunch of sandbaggers from Wisconsin who are now playing M+. The problem is this mindset that you should play as far down as the associations will let you regardless of how you stack up. I think the root of the problem is that the associations don’t move enough teams up and leave the sandbaggers down where they can beat up on the truly classed teams. I have never been to a national tournament where all the teams are rated correctly. But when they try to move up teams that deserve it they have a fight on their hands, and most of the time they cave. As a competitor you should aspire to play at the highest level of competition that you can. You don’t have to win all the time. |
| June 23 TexasTransplant Men's 70 516 posts | Well said, Ken. Why teams want to play below there skill level is a mystery to me. What have you accomplished by drubbing an outclassed team? The one constant in senior softball seems to be that everyone thinks the team that beats them should be rated higher. At the SPA tournament in Plano recently, I was sitting next to a guy from a 55 Major + team who was complaining about having to play the "big boys." It's an imperfect system. You go to a tournament and a team you've never see before catches fire and hits nothing but ropes all weekend. Next weekend maybe they can't hit their weight. I've certainly played on teams like that. Are they overrated the weekend they happen to get hot? Sure there are teams that are mis-rated and there are abuses, but given the migrant nature of players, the fact that guys are constantly moving from one age group to another, and the relatively loose structure of the organizations, I think it's something we have to live with. Shame on the teams who contrive to play down because their only goal is to win a ring. I'd be interested in folks' ideas as to what defines a AA team vs AAA vs Major, etc. |
| June 24 Ken Men's 55 462 posts | Texas Transplant, It is hard to say what defines AA, AAA, Major, etc. Every time I think I have it figured out I go to a national tournament and see teams from other parts of the country that appear to be playing down in class. This will never be ended until there is a uniform way of rating teams nation wide. Currently, it seems that the way it’s done is the individual team’s performance in the qualifiers. The problem is that this allows teams to sandbag by playing in only one or two qualifiers and intentionally performing poorly. There were some guys from Washington State in AA a few years ago and most of them didn’t even know that a ball over the fence was an out. They had supposedly only played one qualifier. I was told they won the Western Nationals last year and are STILL AA. Since the associations won’t incorporate a player rating system to determine team strength, I think the best way to gauge where a team belongs is for the managers that have played against them in the qualifiers throughout the year to rate their performance. If a team is rostering a player(s) that puts them in a class above, even though the rest of the guys aren’t quite up there, well that’s too bad. Then we don’t have to rely on the opinions of people who haven’t even seen the teams play. You would eliminate the politics (for instance, allowing a team to stay AAA because they host a bunch of qualifiers throughout the year) and get the opinions of people that count, not some association head who is looking at “The Big Picture”. This would solve the ratings issue at the regional level, but would, unfortunately, not solve the differences between different parts of the country. Is a AAA team from Florida the same as one from Vegas? Unless they have played against each other, or similar competition, it’s hard to tell. I guess you would then have to rely on the past performance of each part of the country in national tournaments to see if they are on the same page and go from there. Sorry for the long-winded opinion but, like a lot of guys, I’m fed up with the current policy. |
| June 26 jc24 96 posts | Ok guys...Points taken...case closed as far as I'm concerned.... Good hunting to all.... |
