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Discussion: I have noticed many on here do it.....

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June 27, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
I have noticed many on here do it.....
what is the point of counting the number of swings you have on your bats? Does it benefit the bat at all?
June 27, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1003 posts
another worthless post by G19
June 27, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
So there is no benefit to the bat? Or to the counting? I am not being told any.

Sad how defensive old guys can be over a simple inquiry.

June 27, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1003 posts
if you don't know the answer, you are to stupid to understand!
June 27, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Trust me, I know the answers to those questions quite well.

And yet again, an old guy getting defensive. :(
June 27, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
Gary, you're just fishing or stirring the pot, right?
By knowing the average number of swings a specific model is expected to have will help the user make a decision about buying another of that type or going to another brand/model.
June 27, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Bruce, but who is compiling this information across softball and publishing it for the use of consumers? Is there a softball bat watchdog site?

All any individual player is getting is his or her own data, not exactly a large sampling. Well, not unless there is someone who is compiling this data and making it public.

All I know is I have been playing senior ball since 2005 and have not heard first-hand any players comment on how many swings they have on any particular bat. Maybe they are tracking that, but don't seem to be sharing the information.
June 27, 2012
Omar Khayyam
999 posts
Gary, this is not a statistic that many AAA guys keep track of, because their bats, on average, last a lot longer. But in the dugouts, particularly Major and Major Plus, it is much more than a small sample. When a guy breaks a new bat, thinks back about how many games he used it in, and how many batting practices he used it in (easy to count both with near accuracy), he can get an estimate of whether it lasted 50, 100, 200, etc. swings.

For example, I bought a Combat last year as insurance for my wunderbar Miken that is lasting and lasting. I can tell you very accurately how many swings the Combat has on it (I'm part of a batting practice group where number of swings are counted before rotating hitters and I know how many tournaments I used it in). As for my Ultra 2, it is now in its 10th season and has thousands of swings on it.

As a result of a broken bat, it either irritates the user that it didn't last long, or a teammate brags a bit about choosing a bat that lasted 600 swings and is still going. Other teammates chime in with their experience. Either way, as BruceinGA says, it helps the consumer in making a decision for the next bat.

A scientific survey with precisely counted swings and 200+ respondents? No. A valid sampling in the eyes of tournament players? Yes. What else do you think is behind the move from Miken to Reebok or Combat? Maybe you do need to return to the tournament circuit.
June 27, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1983 posts
Here is proof positive that he just sits there and tries to think of things to stir people up. What an inane question.
June 27, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Read the thread, Mark. Counting doesn't help the bat or the batter. And the only real way it helps as consumers is if there is some central repository of the data that is then shared with consumers. Otherwise not much of a point I can see.

June 27, 2012
Bomber #7
Men's 60
62 posts
When you are a playing member of the Senior Softball community, or a Senior Softball HOFer, and not just a key board want-to-be, there is mutual respect amoungst players, and sharing info is the norm. If The Wood, BruceinGA, double10, or lots of others post results of bats they've tried or hit BP with, their opinion would be highly regarded. They share info out of mutual respect, something highly lacking in you corner.
June 27, 2012
crusher
Men's 70
395 posts
I purchased my Combat Centenarian based on many posts and watching/playing many tournaments on how long a brand and type of bat lasted.
So far my bat has 46 swings. Very alive. Based on what others have posted this bat should last me 5 or 6 years.
Thanks to all of you who posted here about bat life and performance.
June 27, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1003 posts
G19 asked a question which he says he knows the answer already... Just a Turd stirring expedition!
June 27, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
Gary, results and numbers from other players only give an indication as to the durability of bats. I keep up with my swings on a bat mainly so I'll know if I need to buy the same make and model when this one breaks. I offer my numbers to all with the caveat that their swing may be different and therefore their bat may last less or more swings than mine.
It's just about sharing information among players on this forum.
June 27, 2012
Olden Slow
Men's 65
176 posts
I have found the info both usefull and helpfull when I bought my bats (2). I am new to Senior Softball and had no clue.. But then again, everything I hit sounds like I hit it with a wet newspaper anyway..
June 27, 2012
garyheifner
361 posts
Just a simple inquiry:

Is there a watch dog on this site that has counted the number of relevant and irrelevant posts, comments by Gary 19? What is the ratio? Is there a national data base for these numbers that can be proven?

He indicated that he has been in Senior Softball since 2005. Has anyone actually ever seen him play an inning? Any answers must be able to hold up with provable facts.

What team or teams has he played for? Local or on the tour. Answer must be true and can be proven.

What bats does he use if he actually plays? God, I hope it's not a senior bat.

I saw a post, a while back, that indicated his Gary 19 is a new name and that he has been on this site under other name (names). Is that true and can that be proven beyond reasonable doubt?

Just a simple inquiry. It shouldn't cause any problems with a defensive old guy.

PS I kinda keep track of hits on a U2 so I use the real old ones that are sounding/feeling funky for the Qualifiers. I use the newer, broken in ones, for the ring tournies. I hit the new ones in the wrapper in batting practice for about 15 hits-rotating as I go. Then never in batting practice again or in cold weather. Have experienced long life out of all of them.
I take ones with cracks and wrap them with 4 or 5 rounds of Duct Tape and use them for "BATTING" practice until they totally break.
June 28, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Hopefully a player or two from Ohio could fill the BLANKS here. I know there are some players that have interesting insight regarding this.
June 28, 2012
Full Monty
79 posts

I heard he plays "Bat Boy"
June 28, 2012
Ho
230 posts
Don't know want difference it makes as to who and where GARY19 plays.I also did not know there was a performance requirement to post an opinion on the message board.

But to answer your questions, I do know GARY19 has played in the evning doubleheader league in the Silver League the past three years at least and has played very well.

Yes, he has also played on a couple of league championship teams. Does he play travel ball? Don't know but can't see how that would make his opinions more valid or less valid.

You either agree with what he says or do not agree with what he says...no need to ridicule the messanger just because you do not agree with the message.

He is contantly throwing out baited hooks to everyone just to see if someone will bite and they always seem to do. You all apparently make his day.

Ho
June 28, 2012
CAPT D5
124 posts
Ho, Thanks for sticking up for someone being insulted, even if he brings it on himself. We can stay above the insults by simply ignoring what seems unworthy of response.
June 28, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1003 posts
it's hard to ignore the constant badgering of senior softball... it gets old! I heard Gary 19 is a triple A pitcher at best... he has nothing but contempt for Our Senior Game... I now find it amusing to watch his dribble on this forum... does get tiring of his Thread-jacking!
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