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Real name:
Dave (Mango) Meggison

Location:
Orange, CA

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Men's 50

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Jan. 2, 2009
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: I don't care what bats are used......

Hey Joey,
Mango here. My suggestion is to use the same balls they used at SPA. You needed to hit it to hit a homerun. Anytime guys like Larry Tate (AKA Don Newhard = AKA ďPowderĒ) can hit a ball 300 feet something is wrong J. The game scores at SPA were good (in the 20ís and 30ís) and there were no cheap homeruns. The situation in Vegas was ridiculous. Guys that have no business hitting homeruns were hitting them. I hit a walk off game winner off the hands (that should have been an out) that I still feel embarrassed about. Something should be done about the cheapened homerun and the balls are the easiest way to control it.

As far as Major teams moving up being competitive- the 5 or 7 run rule always keeps it close regardless of the home run rule. In Phoenix in the seeding games all our games were close. We didnít run away from teams until the tournament part where we were allowed unlimited runs. In fact we had to go to extra innings to beat one team in the seeding game and then beat the same team by 30 in three innings with the open inning rule.

Wood- ďat times, many of us act as though our fifth grade weight would exceed our current IQ... Twins25:This would still make you an 'off the charts' geniusĒ.
I love how you never miss an opportunity to bring Galvin into the mix.:)

Happy New Year to All

Mango
Sept. 11, 2008
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Out at the plate

Hey Joey,
Does that mean that MAC II is not going to Phoenix?
Mango
Aug. 21, 2008
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: more balls than brains

Einstein,
Hey Joey. Iíve got to disagree with you. I thought the balls at SPA were fine. You needed to hit them just decent to get them out. You werenít going to have too many mishit homeruns (we had a couple). The weaker guys werenít going to hit them out. We scored in the 40ís a couple of times so thatís pretty decent.

Now as far as us not scoring many runs against you guys. We only scored 23 because they called the game for the mercy rule (you guys only scored 8 off Mick). They made us stop hitting by rule. We were still hitting with I believe no outs when they called the game. In fact Bully mentioned to me today that we might still be hitting as we speak had they not made us stop hitting by rule.
:)
Mango
June 13, 2008
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Description of a Major Plus Player.

Curt:
You make some good points about the importance of the major plus division being a lighthouse division. And maybe (not totally convinced, need to think about it more) it is better for Senior Softball the way it is now with major plus being an extremely elite division. I was speaking strictly from a selfish standpoint about my desire to play in tournaments with more teams.

Smokey:
I could easily play and enjoy playing under the rules you suggested. Youíre right about the runs per inning keeping the games close. For my taste the more homeruns the better. My suggestion of 7 or 5 (one up/single) was to make it more palatable to the major teams. Itís less of a stretch for them to feel theyíre competitive.

The one thing I think we can all agree upon is it should never be an out after homeruns are gone! I donít know what they were thinking when they came up with 12 homers then an out.
June 13, 2008
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Description of a Major Plus Player.

Gentlemen,
Good discussion. So much to weigh in on, where do I start? Letís see. First of all I must correct Don ďLarry TateĒ ďPowderĒ Newhard. His legs are not like 2 strings. That would be too generous. More like 2 threads. 2 shiny white fluorescent threads hanging from his shorts.

I do however agree with Tateís idea of merging the major and major plus divisions. I donít mind if there is a compromise on the homerun rule (7 or even 5) as long as itís a single after the limit. Why compromise? Because personally Iím tired of the dearth of teams in the 50 major plus division. Itís the middle of June and weíve only played 2 games against another major plus team this year. Weíve only been allowed to use ďour rulesĒ in two games so far this year.

Again just my opinion and Iím sure not everyone shares it but I would rather play against more teams. The biggest difference between major and major plus seems to be the number of homers hit. If you restricted the homers you would probably see a change in what an upper division team looked like. The new combined upper division teams(major & major plus) would be reminiscent of the 80ís when USSSA started instituting homerun restrictions (4 or 6 homerun hitters). You would see teams more balanced in terms of offense and defense, again much like the prototypical ďAĒ and ďBĒ teams of the 80ís and 90ís.

Mango
Dec. 27, 2007
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: when managers picks all-tournment players

Gentlemen,
For the last 10 years I have primarily played catcher. I donít think you will ever get an argument from anybody that has ever played this game at a high level that the most important position on the field is the pitcher. You really get an appreciation (catching) for just how much of an impact a good pitcher can have on a game. By the way ĖIMO a good catcher can help his pitcher and have an impact on the game in a number of ways.

Wood - I agree with you. I had the privilege of catching for Ray a couple of years ago. Ray Tarazon is all those things you said about him and more. He is probably one of the most underrated pitchers around, maybe because heís only been playing softball for a few years.

Einstein Ė Bill from the Mavericks is Billy Gombos. He will be pitching for Evolution this year. I have caught for him before. I agree with you. He is a very god pitcher. And obviously Mickey Hughes is one of the best. Iíve been catching for him for several years now and Iíve seen him completely baffle hitters. Iím glad I only have to hit off him in BP.

Sorry for the long post but one more thing ĖJoey email me with your new email address. Everything I send you keeps getting returned.

Mango
Dec. 20, 2007
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: found on another board

Wagon487
You seem to be a little confused about the 45. I played in the 45 in 2004. They only allowed 3 homeruns and then any ball over the fence was an out. So all those balls you claimed to have seen flying over the fence must have been outs. We won the tournament and our leading homerun hitter had 4 homeruns. I didnít see any juiced bats just some top quality players. As Lecak says some of these players are still at the top of their game.

I can understand how you wouldnít want to go clear across country to get worked like you did in 04 (0-2), but where were you the last couple of years? The 45 was in Mississippi this year and Alabama the previous tournament.

Just because you canít compete doesnít make it a bad tournament. Also wouldnít teams rather go to a place like California where there are a variety of extracurricular options/extras to do? Is there really a big difference in airline ticket prices between the east coast and the middle of the country say Colorado?

Hereís a tip for east coast guys - check flights into Oakland or Sacramento rather than San Francisco, they are generally cheaper. Hope to see as many teams as possible in Roseville.
Mango
Aug. 14, 2007
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Snod8 @45\'s

Hey Snod 8 are you still going to the 45's in Mississippi in Sept.? Bully spoke with the tournament director today and they have confirmed teams from California, Oregon, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Houston, Florida and Arkansas. I thought you guys were based out of Conneticut and he didn\'t mention any teams from there. Or are you playing with the Pennsylvania boys? Hope to see you there.
Mango
Aug. 2, 2007
Mango
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: OUR TEAM BROKE UP!!!!!!

Hey Gary 19,
Not sure why you would lol for someone snow birding in Wisconsin. Maybe CRUESADERVB misspoke but it appears his concept is correct.

Iím not sure exactly how the snowbird rule works, but my general understanding is that you split your residency over the course of the year. Living part of the year in one location and part of the time in another location.

It appears that CRUESADERVB has it right. He spends his summers in Wisconsin (when Phoenix is unbearably hot) and his winters in Phoenix when Wisconsin is unbearably cold. Whatís so funny about that?

Usually you seem pretty logical on most matters. Sounds like this guy is in a tough situation because his team broke up and he wants to play ball. Heís living in Wisconsin right now and wants to play ball with a team back there. I donít know how you can begrudge a guy that just wants to play ball. We complain about a lack of teams and then do things that restrict participation?
Mango
July 27, 2007
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: REPLANT...... FOOD 4 THOUGHT???

MavericAH makes a good point about protective equipment, though I wouldnít make it mandatory. Iím seeing more and more pitchers wearing protective batting helmets with cages over the face. Also goalie masks. I know a lot of pitchers wear shin guards under their pants and of course cups. I donít think it would be unreasonable to wear a chest protector out there. Maybe we will start seeing more of this in Senior Softball. In fact I donít know why more donít wear the stuff.

I'ld like to hear from some of the pitchers out there that have a gripe with guys hitting the middle. Why don't you wear protection like shin guards mask and chest protector?
July 22, 2007
Mango
Topic: Website comments
Discussion: GARY 19 & SMOOTH 01:

Snod8
Hey Rick good to hear from you. Yes we are going to Mississippi for the 45. I heard you guys are going as well. Look forward to seeing you there. Canít wait to play some guys our own age. Tired of playing the kids every weekend.

Our season with Courtesy/Kellyís
is going pretty well this year, with the exception of a second place finish in Tahoe. We ended up getting beat by a pretty nice 40 team out of Washington. Keith (your old manager- Oregon/Northwest Masters) said he would be bringing some of those guys to the 45.

As far as Senior Ball goes I'm playing with Kellyís this year. We've only played once so far and we ended up second in that tourney back in April in Palm Springs. Kellyís will be playing in September (Vegas I think) and October (Phoenix). Canít wait.
Mango
July 21, 2007
Mango
Topic: Website comments
Discussion: GARY 19 & SMOOTH 01:

Replant, Gary 19 & E. Ness,
You guys all make valid points about hitting the middle. My thought has always been Ė if you donít want me to hit the middle then throw it flat and on the inside half of the plate- Iím never going to try and do anything with that pith except pull it.

Iíve been a notorious middle hitter for my entire career. I would never go pitch because I canít field the middle. Iíd get hurt, and my team would do poorly. Most of the teams that Iíve played on the pitchers have been the best fielders. I want you to hit it at my pitcher! Not near him, but directly at him.

Iíve hit the middle my whole career (30 years in slo-pitch) and it hasnít really been an issue except in the last couple of years. Is this a function of the new hotter bats? Or is there a change in the culture of the game? If there is going to be a change in the culture of the game and the middle is going to be ďclosedĒ, let me know. Iíd like to go pitch. I think I could be a pretty good pitcher if I didnít have to field.
Mango
June 27, 2007
Mango
Topic: Bats
Discussion: TECH' INFOR on COMPOSITE BATS & REACTION TIME.

Hey Gary 19,
The municipalities wouldnít pay to move the fences in. The senior organizations that throw tourneys would buy temporary plastic fencing. They could then use them at any and all fields that they use and move them for the appropriate age group They could use these on open fields as well as fenced fields of 300 or greater. Itís not that expensive and itís a one-time purchase. When I first started playing competitive ball in the 70's and 80's temporary fencing was commonplace because so many of the field were open fields.

As far as sense of achievement. I can hit a ball over 300 feet with a single wall bat, but not nearly as often as with a double wall or composite. And forget about the U2. Iíve hit balls out off the hands. And guys Iíve played with that NEVER hit homeruns in their career when they were young are now hitting them over 300 with the U2.

A homerun used to be something where only the true power hitters could hit the ball out of the park with any consistency. Now theyíre so commonplace its nothing.
Mango
June 26, 2007
Mango
Topic: Bats
Discussion: TECH' INFOR on COMPOSITE BATS & REACTION TIME.

Stoneman,
Thanks for the good info. This makes a good case for those who ridicule the allowing of hotter bats (ultra/ combat) in senior softball than in. competitive softball. Iíve been watching this board for some time now and have seen lots of conversation on hitting the middle/illegal bats- safety issues etc..

Wouldnít it make sense to ban all double wall and composite bats and move the fences in to say 275 feet? Maybe even closer (say 250) for the older age groups. You would still have the homerun- which everyone likes. You know how they say that 50 is the new 40. Well 275 would be the new 300. And you could still hit middle, which some players (both hitters and good defensive pitchers) like. There would be a onetime cost to purchase temporary fencing by tds.

I know many of the rec leagues in my area are going to single walls. And if you think about it the skill level of seniors really is more in keeping with rec league players than competitive tourney players.
Mango
June 21, 2007
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: save it for the confessional

I was playing ball a few years back and hit a missile to left that was knuckling as soon as it left the bat. It hit the LEFT FIELDER in the forehead. He needed stitches to close the gash in his forehead. I ran hard to second base and they stopped play. As he was being helped off the field I apologized. Another time I hit a ball that bounced up and hit the third baseman in the forearm and broke (fractured) his arm. I ran hard to first. He was one of my friends. I told him I was sorry. And still another time I was playing in a world series and some big country boy was on the mound and started verbally abusing one of our players. My teammate in front of me hit him in the shin and ran to first. Next I hit him in the thigh and the ball bounced off him out of play. I jogged to first. Neither of us apologized to him.

I think this thread started out about apologizing after hitting a pitcher. I donít see anything wrong with that if you werenít trying to hit him. In the first two cases above I was sorry. In the third case I wasnít and didnít say anything.

Iíve hit middle my whole career(it was never an issue in competitive siftball) as well as the 5/6 hole. Sometimes the shortstop cheats in the hole and I try and go 1/6. If I see the pitcher is falling off to cover 1/6 I try and go 1/4. Usually I donít try to hit the ball AT anyone. Iím not perfect and sometimes I miss and I either make an out or someone gets scared or hurt. If anyone (pitcher/ 3rd base/ 1st base) gets hurt and I didnít mean to hit him I say Iím sorry. I donít think itís disingenuous.
May 1, 2007
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Geographic rules

I agree with chollis for major plus open rosters. I donít know how things can get any worse as far as number of teams in major plus is concerned. I know last year a California major plus team The Mavericks traveled all the way to Virginia for a ďWorld SeriesĒ and they were the ONLY 50 major plus team. 1 team! How can it be worse than that? Somethingís gotta change
April 24, 2007
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Steve Imlay suspension

This is probably going to sound naÔve but here goes. Why canít anyone play with whoever they want to play with whenever they want? Whatís the purpose of the residency rule?
Mango
March 27, 2007
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: RULES???

Cpope - I agree with you. The tournament directors I have come in contact with in my brief stint in Senior softball have no clue about the rules. The rules change by the day and by the game. These include how many homeruns are allowed(5 one game, 7 the next, then back to 5 the following day). Whether or not all runners advance one base on singles over the fence or have to be forced (again I've had it change from game to game). Equalization rules for playing teams down one level seem to change from game to game within the same tournament. Again the tournament directors have no clue.

I believe it is our responsibility as well to know the rules. So I'll ask again. Does anyone know where you get a Senior Softball Rule Book?

Thanks,
Mango
March 26, 2007
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: RULES???

I have questions about participation as well. Last season I was aware of players moving from team to team both within and between divisions. In the 50 division players would play on one Super Major Team one weekend, a couple of weeks later play on a different Super Major team, and then another weekend back to the original team. I also saw this happening with a player going from one team in Major to another in Super Major and then back again on different weekends.

I believe this to be good for Senior Softball as it increases the number of teams playing on any particular weekend. Some team wants to play and is missing a couple of guys- borrows a player or two and then can play. We used to do it all the time in regular softball. Iím for anything that gets more teams out there.

Iíve been told that you canít do this even though I saw it done last year. What exactly are the rules? Where are the rules? How do you get a copy of the Rules?


Mango

March 14, 2007
Mango
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Why did Miken Change????

I agree with Lecak. Seniors donít need to doctor bats. This is because they already get to use something hotter than anything used at the kid tournaments (including doctored bats)- the U2. If you outlaw the U2 then you would probably get lots of guys doctoring bats. Right now we already get to use something way hotter. Creates a level playing field.I may be naive butI find it hard to believe you could do anything to improve a U2 by doctoring it. Who needs anything hotter than that anyway?
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