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Don Newhard

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July 28, 2012
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: TOURNAMENT WINNER AUTO MOVEUP - Part II

Wow - nearly 200 posts, Plenty opinions being slung, facts few and far between. Here are a few facts that are very pertinent.
Jawood - Consider the following on Sommerville Softball (last known as the Mavericks in 2010),
They are NOT the defending SSUSA 50 Major Plus champions, did not particpate in 2011. Your team beat them in 2011 in Reno. This year, the scourge of senior softball, as you portray them, won 3 of their 4 games in Reno by an average of 3.5 runs. Your team was averaging 30.5 runs a game going into the Reno final. You guys scored 16 runs in the final, is that their fault, should they be broken up on that basis. Contrary to your contention, they have only won 3 of the last 5 SSUSA Worlds. Impressive, but earned on the field As Marv19 points out, they lost to AZ Elite recently in a seeding game, but won the event by demonstrating their exceptional athleticism and conditioning with a one-up homerun rule in place. All with guys that could sleep in their own beds after playing the event. BTW - the core of this current team has been playing together almost 10 years dating back to the 45 division. How dare anyone suggest they should be broken up just to clear the deck for those that would prefer to succeed through legislation, exclusion, and whining instead of athletic performance.

Swing asks - How does the M+ feel about the situation? As manager and player for a 55M+ team, thanks for asking. IT IS NOT BROKEN!! SSUSA decided a long time ago that a Plus division was needed to separate a handful of very good teams. While I've advocated many times in support of merging M+ & M because there are plenty of equalizers in place, I'm not holding my breath and continue to play 12-14 events per year. During the year, we play 50's, 55's, and 60's of either M+ or M ratings, give plenty of equalizer runs, but enjoy the heck out of playing. Every close game, artificially or otherwise, makes us better and gets us ready for the Worlds in October.

Let's look at more facts about this supposedly broken division. Over the last five years, both 50 and 55 M+ divisions have averaged 8 teams each in the Worlds. 55 M+ has featured 11 teams each of the past 2 years. NOT BROKEN, by any means.

SSUSA will either merge or not merge M+ and M. Meanwhile, there is plenty of competitive softball to play, and plenty of opportunity for teams to step up, compete, and improve. IMHO, there are really two divisions, competitors who show up, meet the competition head-on, and compete to the best of their abilities, and whiners that worry about everyone and everything else rather than focusing on improving their own team. Whatever the real agenda of those advocating breaking up of M+ teams, the fact is that the division works just fine as is in SSUSA. So much energy is wasted worrying about rating teams and players. Look in the mirror, nut up, get in better shape and be humbled by the fact that we can all still participate in tournament-level ball in a congenial atmosphere. Over the past 20 years, I've had the good fortune to play for a ASA 40 champ, 2-time ASA 45 runner up, a 50M SSUSA triple crown winner and a SSUSA 55 M+ champion. I do not play for rings, bat bags, tee shirts etc. I play for the privilege of competing against the best, PERIOD. I'm not alone in this view, but enough already with the legislative poor-me approach to success?
JMHO

Don Newhard
Manager/Player
55 M+ Summy's (Sommerville) Nighthawks


June 6, 2012
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: On Base Percentage (OBP)

Great discussion, I definitely track and use OBP. I've always believed, however, that stats should be calculated and reported as designed. Nothing wrong with a productive out like a SAC fly that drives in a run, but it is still and out and the batter cannot score. A base hit that drives in that same run is a better outcome for the team, as it doesn't shorten the inning by recording an out. I therefore leave the formula alone so it provides the most accurate measure of a hitter's productivity.

Also, at the major plus level, those OBP's better be in the .700+ range, or you are in for a long (actually short) weekend.

JMHO
Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55M+
May 11, 2012
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Reno 55 Major +

Nighthawks will be there, and I understand Double Play Classic will also be there in 55M+

May 2, 2012
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: So few 55AA

@ Corky - agree that the TOC is the wrong time of year. It is in the NEW season, not the one you qualified in, It's basically an exhibition tournament. But there must be some money in it, so it continues. We usually earn 2-3 berths per year, but have never gone. I hear it is a nice event, but not really a championship. It's a long way to go in February from California for a social event when we can play 4-6 55 M+ and 55M teams at the same time of year an hour from where we live.

Jawood, I usually agree with you, but I disagree that there too many age groups. For the vast majority of players, the five year groupings are just right. There are always exceptions, and those players can play down if they wish. For the most of us, though, five years works just fine.

Are there too many divisions, absolutely, IMHO. I've come to the conclusion, however, that SSUSA is just responding to their market and the wants of the majority of their customers. Over the 10 years I've been in senior ball, I've encountered a number of teams and managers who prefer to be the biggest fish in a smaller pond. Their choice, and I'll refrain from commenting other than to say, to each, their own. If 4 divisions gets more participation, there could be worse things. Hey, they'll even give you a few free runs to show up and compete. Such a deal!

Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55 M+


March 31, 2012
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Las Vegas April (Dave D, SSUSA)

Johnny Hose - great point made by a great guy about another great guy - THE Dave Dowell! We also had a great time in Mesquite, the tournament was well run, it was mentioned earlier that umpire crews at Pioneer were exceptionally good all weekend. Hope to see you guys in Reno, we will be there.

Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55 M+
March 26, 2012
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Mesquite Mistake?

Swanny 22 - nice post on the umpires. We had both Shawn and Jeff, and they were excellent. Two others worth commending were Rick and Gil in our championship game.

Jawood - you know I agree with your point.
March 5, 2012
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What 55 Major Plus and Major Teams are going to Mesquite?

So far in 55 M+, Nighthawks and Double Play Classics will be there.

March 1, 2012
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Giving 5 runs to "inferior" teams

There have been some great points made above (not necessarily mine included)in a fairly civil discourse. This prompted me to re-examine my true position on the courtesy 5 run rule. The Wood and LeftyOdoul say it best. I've found that playing close games in February really helps us be ready for close games in our classification in tournaments that really matter in October. Although I may quip at those teams (primarily the 55 M teams) taking runs, I really appreciate that they are there and competing in local events all year so that we have a place to play senior softball against quality opponents all year long. If the five-run rule is needed to make that happen, so be it.

I've gone on record many times about combining Major and Major Plus, which would end this debate in those classifications. I stand by that belief as I think there are enough equalizers in place (runs per inning, limits on homers)when M+ and M play. Three levels is enough in each age group.

As LeftyOdoul points out, the free run rule is not a perfect solution, but if it produces the best outcome by increasing participation, it has its place. We won't take it if it's available, but that's just our M/O. We think playing straight up makes us stronger. Just something to consider when the opportunity presents itself.
Let's Play Ball!
JMHO
Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55 M+
Feb. 28, 2012
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Giving 5 runs to "inferior" teams

Whoopie, whoever you are. Who's crying? I'm calling out Major teams who take the free runs, especially the ones that pick M+ players just up from the younger age group. That's the embarrassment. In seven years my teams have never taken runs when playing M+ teams or younger divisions, including teams likes J
K 40's or the strongest editions of the Mavericks. We'd rather have the challenge of playing the best straight up. Your right, there is no crying in softball, and there is no bigger boo hoo in this game than "I want my baby runs". As for my good friend Mango, he couldn't agree more.

Stop by and introduce yourself sometime, I'm not hard to find. I look like Larry Tate and I wear #22. If you're taking the runs, I'll spare you the needling as you already know how I feel.
Feb. 28, 2012
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Giving 5 runs to "inferior" teams

As a 55 M+ team, we give up runs almost every game we play this time of year. What's worse than giving up the runs is trying to get eye contact from the teams that actually take the runs. With apologies to the Marine Corp, I have a new motto for those teams that are hooked on the government cheese runs, "Wimper Five"! Man up and play straight up, especially if you are a Major team.

Same stupid question that never gets answered objectively, What is a M+ player? 99% of previous answers and the method of administration of this rule is that it is a player that had the good fortune to play for a successful major team.
Jan. 17, 2012
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: We are all friends!

Andy, it was good to see you as well. You are right sir, we are all (and should be)friends. Senior Softball players belong to a unique fraternity. There is much that unites us, I prefer to focus on that. Good luck this year and amen to the staying healthy concept!
Don Newhard
Summy's Nighthawks
Jan. 13, 2012
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: WHERE ARE THE 60 M+ & 55'S PLAYING??

Nighthawks 55M+ - 2/18&19 Hemet, 3/23-25 Mesquite, 4/14&15 Hemet; 5/19&20 Temecula, 6/1-6/3 Reno, 6/23-24 either Hemet or Pendleton, 7/14&15 San Clemente, 8/4&5 Temecula, 8/24-26 San Clemente, 9/8&9 Hemet, 9/28-30 Las Vegas

Don Newhard
Manager
Summy's Nighthawks 55M+
Jan. 11, 2012
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: SCSST/SSUSA WINTER CLASSIC IN MENIFEE

@GDMoses - Thank you, how nice to see a positive comment on the board about this event, including results. We are looking forward to playing this weekend in the 55's. Looks like the amazing weather will continue, I'm told we will have 10 teams in our division. January, 70-80 degrees, good local senior competition, priceless!!

Don Newhard
Summy's Nighthawks 55M+
Dec. 5, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: JAN. 2012 HELP

Nighthawks 55 M+ planning on Menifee 1/14&15.

Nov. 14, 2011
Tate22
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Impact player rule is a joke!!

One of the biggest wastes of time and energy in Senior Softball is the endless scheming and theories on how to segregate players based on some mythical, subjective image of an "impact player". Even a real impact player like Ron Parnell only bats 4-5 times a game.

Get rid of the Major Plus designation, and the volume of whining and scheming on this board to dilute competition would decrease dramatically.

Anyone playing in top-level nationwide tournament softball should welcome the chance to compete against the best, or should stay the blank home and impact the Barcalounger.

5-year age brackets work, and 3 divisions is more than adequate at any age level.

Don Newhard
55 M+ Nighthawks
Nov. 14, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: SSUSA,What's the procedure for a player to get re-rated?

Although George is a pleasant enough guy, I'm pretty sure he has to run all such decisions by the "Power that BE", TH.
Nov. 14, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Impact Player

At this time, a 60's team in California is being told that if it adds a certain player turning 60 next year from my 55 M+ team (Nighthawks) that player will count as one of 3 Major Plus players against the proposed roster. This player is an excellent hitter who has made all-tourney teams over the years, and wreaks havoc with defenses trying to stop him. In five years playing for me, this player NEVER hit a ball over a fence. He is only being labeled "impact" because he happened to be on a roster of a team that was aribtrarily moved to 55 Major Plus.

Dear Staff, please explain how this inaccurate, subjective methodology, based on guilt by association, helps our game. Who are we protecting from what?

Still too many divisions by one, Subtract the Plus, the game will survive just fine.

Don Newhard
55 M+ Nighthawks
Oct. 10, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Paul Smit- Team DoublePlay Classic

Sorry to hear that about Paul, a great competitor and player, but an even better person. Get well soon Paul.

Oct. 7, 2011
Tate22
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Feedback on this idea?

I've advocated this idea for years. The performance required to win the winners bracket game deserves a reward. There is no logical argument to deny this well-earned benefit. The NFL, MLB,NBA, NHL all reward best records with home field advantage in the playoffs, why should SSUSA be any different. This is just one more example where SSUSA treats winning and good performance as bad for the game.

Yo, Woody (Guthrie?) Perhaps the socialism reference is accurate, as this rule seems intended to redistribute un-earned wealth. IF you want home team advantage, go get it! But then, we live in a world where 200-pound girls have the court-mandated right to be cheerleaders!

Let the winnahs win!

Don Newhard
Nighthawks 50 M+

Sept. 15, 2011
Tate22
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: LVSSA Tourney Sept.30th - Oct.2nd

@ Jawood - He's pimping the So Cal SSA, but you know what, he's right. We just played his event in Hemet, well done Marv.

@Dave Clark 5 (Dbax) "glad all over" to see you in Hemet this past weekend. Thanks for answering my question on Shadow Rock in Vegas, that is where the 9 55+ teams get to play! Thanks LVSSA, not!
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