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| Dec. 12, 2012 southernson | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Ratings Taits, Maybe I am off base run wise, so take a shot. I just thru something out there.... But HRs is not the measurement for equity, avg scored runs per game is closer to equity... MD, Yep, you are right, one team may expend more effort for 20 runs than another in that scenario.... But it's the same when you go by the numbers....a team that averages 20 runs per game is obviously doing that consistently, no matter how they get them. So two teams averaging 20 runs per game should be close to equal in run production...at least for a given game MD.... So I'm off run wise??? Give me your breakdown with a number per division...open to opinions... |
| Dec. 12, 2012 southernson | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Ratings forgive the typos |
| Dec. 12, 2012 southernson | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Ratings dMON, IMO 25 runs scored with 8 home runs is the same as 25 runs scored with 3 home runs. If my team is also averaging 25 runs per game, then we should be competitive no matter how many home runs. If we are averaging 15 runs per game, then if we play our average game, and the team averaging 25 runs per game plays there average game, then we should lose the majority of those constest. Trying to use the HR limits is what has us in trouble with measurement of ratings. It's really the average # runs scored that's important. |
| Dec. 11, 2012 southernson | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Ratings Capt Kirk, I think you are on to something but it may be simpler than that... Runs Scored AA - Average <15 runs AAA- Average 15-22 runs Major - Average 22-28 runs Major Plus - Average 28+ runs Anyone unhappy about competing against a team that has the same range of Average Number Runs scored? |
| Dec. 11, 2012 southernson | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: AAA Home Run Outs Jawood, thanks for some common sense, this is an improved approach>> "One-up is fair for everybody!". It just seems to me there is a mathematical framework for measuring teams that could be applied, as using HR's for that measurement is not valid. As someone alluded previously, 30 runs is 30 runs no matter how many HRs. It's easier to use the HRs versus recording data for historical reference. And therein lies the rub... |
| Dec. 10, 2012 southernson | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: AAA Home Run Outs Chico, You are in a hot area as well, California, I agree. You had some good points in your last email, duly noted. It's not an easy problem for SSUSA, and I respect that. I just think the 3 HRs is way to low. But the solution is not having a AAA team move to major, get their a$$ handed to them for 3 years until the pick up enough Major Players to compete. That's an expensive solution... I'm done on this one, swimming against the tide...thanks. |
| Dec. 10, 2012 southernson | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: AAA Home Run Outs Chico, Not kidding here at all, we're not in BFE Nowhere USA, we're in Florida. They usually average 3-4 HRs....AND YOU CAN'T COMPETE day in and day out at a Major level with 3-4 HRs. We've taken the root problem which is the Major/Major Plus arena and tried to push it with a solution that has the wrong target of AAA. Getting AAA teams to move to Major will not have the Domino effect of having enough Major teams move to Major Plus to help that divisions problems. The problem isn't in AAA, and it's impractical to try and create a solution there. I was at a tournament this weekend, and it was all the buzz in the AAA teams that were playing. It may have the unintended effect of shifting some tournament options to be SPA instead. Again, just my opinion. |
| Dec. 10, 2012 southernson | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: AAA Home Run Outs Yesterday lost to a good AAA team 34-24, and they hit 11 out. They had a Major type day, but they are like us, a consistent AAA team that blows up once in a while. Not a Major team that consistently hits with power, then has an off AAA day. There's a big difference IMO. 3 and out is nuts.... Solve the problem in the division where there was a problem....and it wasn't AAA. |
| Dec. 6, 2012 southernson | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Grading the Rule Changes Wood, You made me laugh out loud in the office, I'm wiping the tears now. "Being paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't coming after you", funny and so true. Thanks, I needed that. |
| Dec. 6, 2012 southernson | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Grading the Rule Changes And that's what I like about this board.... Wood & DMON, You do make some good and valid points, and I understand the perspective....it did make me think. I'm just saying overall the framework doesn't encourage keeping a team together and upward mobility. If a team's goal is to win, then at some point, you are going to win enough games and be moved to a higher division. Oh, no, just keep the same guys, rename the team, and stay in AAA. And so the framework cater's to the status quo folks, and you are right, it's just like our current society...which at it's core is failing. Wonder why we all go to "National" tournaments and there are only 5 teams in a bracket, where there were 100 teams in 4 hour driving distance. We shouldn't wonder at all.... Trying to win has been replaced by being comfortably status quo...to me that's sad...goodbye America, I once knew ya...I guess it won't be long before we'll be paying our tournament entry fees in yen.... |
| Dec. 5, 2012 southernson | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Grading the Rule Changes Guys, IMHO the idea is to grow and improve a team over time. If you are a AA team, the idea is add talent, grow, and improve to AAA. And if you are AAA, the idea is to add talent, grow, and improve to Major, and so on. The goal is NOT TO: ->Avoid adding players that may improve the teams's overall ability so as to stay in your current ranking ->Have governance in HR's such that it impairs your ability to attract new talent, grow and improve your team to a higher ranking ->NOT to BREAK UP or RENAME a team just to stay in your current ranking as a AA, AAA, or Major team ->Not to have all the Power Hitters go to a Major or Major+ team as a new player in Senior Softball thereby forever keeping the AA and AAA teams weaker, but to be able to attract some of them into being a part of growing the whole team and it's ranking as AAA, Major, or more The HR rule of 3 and then outs does all of the above. It encourages teams to sandbag to stay at a lower level, it encourages the Power Hitters to continue to enter at only the top levels, and it encourages the deceit of teams remaining with the same players and same level yet under a different team name. It's not like an AAA team gets 5 new HR hitters all at once, it takes years to achieve that. W-L records and winning tournament championships determine upward team mobility fairly, and the rules prevent AA, AAA, and Major teams from loading up with Higher Level players yet remaining ranked lower. Most teams take multi-years to grow from one level to another via winning a National. Why penalize them in the process..... |
| Dec. 5, 2012 southernson | Topic: Teams looking for players Discussion: 2013 AAA Florida Team Looking for Players Always looking to improve our team and 2013 is upon us. Established now in our 6th year. We typically play most all the Florida Half Century tournaments where we are ranked as an A level team in the top 10 out of 80 50+ teams and also play about 4-5 other tournaments like National level tournaments as well. Already qualified for the Tournament of Champions in February. Won two Nationals in 2012. Good attitude and positive character is always welcome. Looking to add an outfielder(s), infielder or pitcher, and an additional HR Hitter to our group. Please contact HLLAMF@gmail.com, Rick Sapp, Florida Classics. 904-328-4173. Thanks... |
| Dec. 5, 2012 southernson | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Grading the Rule Changes Canljack, Understand the sentiment, but we are not sandbagging. It's not BFE,USA we play in, it's Florida, which is just like California and Texas. There are A LOT of good teams and I routinely see AAA teams we play against hit 3+ HRs a game. Basically if you think AAA is 3 home run league what you are saying is that: -The 1&2 and 8-11 hitter NEVER HIT A HOME RUN in their career. -The 3-7 hitters, those 5 guys with an average of 20 at bats per game, 17 of those times they are going to HAVE TO FAIL TO HIT A HOME RUN. They can only succeed 3 times, and then it's an out. That's an average AA team in Florida, California, and Texas on any weekend, not a AAA team that has to play against Major teams at times. Making HR's outs AT ANY LEVEL is just insane and faulty logic applied. It's certifiable nuts. And it doesn't promote "safety". Making HR's outs "AT ANY LEVEL" PROMOTES an environment of increased risk of injury to infielders. It's common sense.... |
| Dec. 3, 2012 southernson | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Grading the Rule Changes Actually the AAA rule with more than 3 HR as outs really is a negative. We are a AAA team, and there are lots like us, we might hit 7 HRs in one game, and 4 in the next 3 games combined. There are lots of AAA teams with some power, but not the consistency of the Major/Major+ teams. And to me that's one significant difference-consistency. Penalizing those AAA teams does not provide an environment that supports any growth and maturity into a Major level team. It actually works towards keeping them at a AAA level. IMHO... |
| Nov. 30, 2012 southernson | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: pitching screens ASA, USSSA, Senior Bats..... They all come quick up the middle when hit hard.... |
| Nov. 28, 2012 southernson | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: TOC 2 ?? Paco, That's exactly what I was talking about, the ISSA TOC which looks like an SSUSA supported revenue generator and not a TOC. It doesn't make sense.... |
| Nov. 26, 2012 southernson | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: TOC 2 ?? OK, there has always only been one Tournament of Champions and that's been in Feb and it had meaning. Now I see SSUSA is now endorsing another Tournament of Champions in January 2013, a "first" so to speak?? Can anyone make some sense of this??? |
| Nov. 26, 2012 southernson | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Maybe try this before adding a pitcher screen???? Tim/Mad Dog, Truth is you are probably not going to get a lot of traction/feedback here on your suggestions. A change in arc is not something the hitters want to talk about, or more importantly want SSUSA to ever consider. What the hel*, just put them in armor and put a screen around them right? Just don't mess with our 10' arc.... |
| Nov. 26, 2012 southernson | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Maybe try this before adding a pitcher screen???? Well, the low pitch can be useful if you are trying to keep a guy in the park, and if it's thrown occasionally. But IMO that's more of a grab your nutz right after you throw the pitch, cause the low one is definitely coming back hard... MD IMO, 3'-15' would be great in terms of protecting pitchers. |
| Nov. 26, 2012 southernson | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Maybe try this before adding a pitcher screen???? Mad Dog, You are right on target.... |
