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Marv Ruddell

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Sept. 14, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Softball and hot weather!!

Thanks Mike you're right. But can you tell me if the Baden is a multilayer construction? Im advised today that the ISA ROCK has been tested at 44/470 Not as previously stated. I do apologize for the misinformation. Im also advised that the Baden Fireball has tested 47/480. However if that is true neither ball is listed correctly on their respective covers. Im also advised that NSA,ASA, and USSSA have all banned multilayer balls due to the FACT that they were designed specifically to cheat the compression test. Kinda like the guy that has a blind date and finds out she's a dude :O) But seriously why are we playing with cheater balls anyway? Who's kidding who. Or is it whom? Never got that one down. At this point it would appear the NSA, ASA and USSSA have concerns over this type of ball where ISA is either naive or doesn't want to pay to have a lab test it. Or they just don't care. Which to me is sad. Softball is a very popular sport and safety has to be one of our concerns. Shouldnt we have some kind of oversight or accountability with the equipment we use? If a ball says 44/375 shouldnt it be just that?


Sept. 14, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Softball and hot weather!!

Swing: According to Kevin The Baden Fireball is the same ball as the ISA ROCK. However I have never hit one or better yet had the chance to cut one in half. I can only go by what Kevin says. I'd like to know if it has a double layer cover. This, the hardness and the fact it was never intended to be hit with the softer senior bats is what causes the flight characteristics. This is my main concern. (the flight) As for it breaking down if you get away from the synthetic cover you'll have less degrading in the heat particularly if the T.D.s keep the ball at room temp (which I do) before bringing them to the park. Once there however the ball is subject to ambient temperatures.

Steve, even with the precautions of keeping the ball sort-a cool you can see in high humidity and heat what the Stoteís did. Again its not the cost its the flight. If somebody can send me a Fireball I'll cut it in half and compare. Iíd like to see what it looks like. I know Ridge is high on that ball. But if it is, as Kevin says, a cheater ball Im not to eager to use it. Lets see what happens. Just getting rid of the synthetic cover and going to composite will IMO make some difference. Also if anyone has an ASA or U-Trip ROCK 375/44 could you please send me one as well.

Thanks

Address is on the site www.socalssa.com



Sept. 14, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Softball and hot weather!!

Thanks Fabe. I guess what Im trying to say is why wait till injury before we look at the ball. The engineer that says he designed it while at Anaconda also says its a 47/525 but the ball says on the cover 375/44. On top of that he says it was never intended to be hit with senior bats. Analogy: Take Miken U11 re painted to look like a Miken Freak and used in an ASA tournament. The guys know it. The T.D. knows it and so to the Umps. But since the bat has all the right decals, graphics and specs we turn our heads and let it be used it anyway. This is a made up analogy but its the same thing only a different necessary item to the game. No one on this board would allow a repainted bat... right? So why do we turn our heads at a ball that is suspected to be juiced? Why? Because we can hit 400 foot shots in 100 degree temperature? Is the bat safe because its disguised? Is the ball...


Sept. 14, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Softball and hot weather!!

First let me address Fabe's comment. I don't need stats to know its a matter of time. And how many have been injured using this cheater ball and just say "oh well it's softball". Let me give you something to think about. If we did things as a result (or by stats) here is what I have seen in my 55 years in Drag Racing. At Lions Drag strip in early 70s. Big Daddy Don Garletts top fuel car was cut in half. He lost the end of his foot and all his toes. Result. No more aluminum cans. They had to be high grade metal. Garletts eventually perfected the rear engine car. At OCIR one night a top fuel rear engine car blew a tire and made left turn into the guard rail that was a metal rail and 6X6 posts like the old freeway guard rails. Result: The man lost both legs and THEN they installed a guard rail you cant drive under. A byproduct of this and others is Goodyear added inner liners to the 16Ē slicks. The famous crash of Prudome and Jimmy Nickol at indy in 1970. That was a clutch coming out of the car and cutting the car in half. Nichol was OK (dont see how if you watch the video). Result better safety equipment and better specs on the material the clutches and bell housing were made of. 1969 I was at the US Nationals. John Mulligan was injured when the back end of his engine exploded and fire engulfed Johns face and upper body. John was only wearing a single layer fire suit. John was a good guy and could make anyone laugh and smile... I went to his funeral. They painted his face on him. Cause: hydrazine added at the staring line to the fuel. One man dead. New rule: no hydrazine anymore. Now they wear 5 layer suits. And last but there are more trust me. My good friend at the time Dave Russell (Russell Performance hoses) was in line for a round of top gas eliminator in the early 70s and behind him in the push truck was was his wife. A fuel altered lost control doing a burn out when the throttle stuck and hit her at high speed in the drivers door. She was pronounced dead at the scene. Result one dead and a new rule... no burnouts in the pits. My point is the ball is represented as a 375/44 and by now you and the everyone else that reads this knows it is not a 375/44. You might as well just use a 525/47 ball. But if they handed one to you most of the players would object. I can just hear the complaints now... makes my ears ring. Its too darn hard right? The twin layer has very little padding properties. Acording to the engineer that designed the ball its there only to fool the old compression test. Yet Anaconda to this day continues to tell you guys its a 375/44. Donít believe me do what my friend Tom Jadwin did for me. Cut one in half and compare it to a Stote 375/44. The core should be the same but they are not. The other point is if we know there is potential exposure to a ball that is totally misrepresented on its specs AND has erratic flight issues then I have to remove it. Its no different than if I know there is a bat that is shaved or tricked up. I have to remove it or Iím the one that they will come looking for. I hope you see my point by now. Its not being overly cautious it called using common sense.
Sept. 13, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Softball and hot weather!!

Sorry PattyMac but its my job to worry. I have a responsibility to hundreds of guys on a weekend to make sure we don't as an association put anyone in harms way. Its very cavalier to say it'll be Ok don't worry. In my early days I was involved with SEMA. SEMA wasn't a car show then it was a non profit set up by the NHRA to certify safety on products. We were the testing organization for Brakes, Chassis, Bellhousings, Clutches, Fire Suits and Parachutes in the beginning. Those products that if failed could kill. I have seen way too many young men die as a result of product failure. Call me crotchety or senile or whatever. BUT you have one of the biggest and best hitters in the game just say the ball has issues with flight. You have several people acknowledge the ball has idiosyncrasies. Then you have the engineer that designed the ball tell you it was designed as a cheater ball and the specs on the cover are misleading. You have a ball manufacturer (Anaconda) that continues to miss identify the specs on the ball. Fast forward: Waiver or not a pitcher loses an eye. Gets his jaw broke or worse. AND DON'T TELL ME IT WON'T HAPPEN. Then what? Do I say well the guy signed a waiver? PattyMac said don't worry? Neither of those will keep me out of court. I'm sorry guys but I value all of you and your safety. I don't like shaved bats and I donít like guys that say we're going middle. (I better not ever hear it) I have everything on the line when you guys come to town. I am not a gambler. You can complain all you want but this blog tells me one thing... No ISA ROCKS at our tournaments. But I will tell you this, I will try to find a ball that will be fair. I will keep the ball as cool as possible till tournament time. Thats pretty much all I can do. Thanks for everyone's input. Have a safe and fun tournament in Vegas
Sept. 12, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Softball and hot weather!!

guys we still don't know what ball is used in Vegas. "All Pro" didnt respond to my request to identify the ball. As I said before not all Rocks are the same. So far until I have one cut in half, only the ISA Rock is to blame so far. If they hit it in BP in Vegas and it doesn't have an erratic flight it must be an ASA or U-trip Rock. Yesterday in BP I counted 10 Knuckles. Problem was it one batter only doing 30 swings. I lost track at 30 for everybody else and stopped counting. All Pro Please identify the ROCK you use? Nor do we know what ROCK SSUSA will supply in Vegas. Remember too the Stote has a synthetic cover. This adds to the degrading by not giving the core the insulation properties that the composite cover does. god I'm starting to sound like an expert.. better get back to what I know :O)
Sept. 12, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Softball and hot weather!!

Remember guys youre hitting a ball that is illegal in ASA and U-Trip. The ISA Rock and the Fireball have a 525 compression center. I have cut one in half. Its definitely harder and pink in color. (The 44/375 Stote is beige and softer) That is why the ROCK holds up in the heat. I think Keven said all balls loose 5 lbs of compression for every degree over 75 degrees. Thats is the reason it holds up. At 100 degrees its really now a 400 compression ball. The problem with this ball is the flight characteristics. So do I buy balls 3 weeks in advance for the weather? Lets say I buy a case of 47/525 for 100 degree weather and when the weekend rolls around its 80. Seriously? Then what do I do? I have you guys throw in a 375 44 when you loose one? Try telling 450 guys that "we are using a 47/525... but they have degraded already so don't worry about it". The majority of you guys wouldn't buy that and you know it. About the best we can do, as I see it, is put a good composite covered ball (synthetic adds to the problem) on the field. Make sure its stays at room temperature (which I do) before I take them to the park. Its a delema for sure. But Ill tell you this I don't like the possible liability potential of the ISA ROCK. For sure I'll be discussing this with Jim and John at NCI

BTW Kevin, Nice truck!! You me and Hemi Racer need to get together sometime and talk drag racing! On that subject do you guys know that Larry Minor is the money guy behind the fields at Diamond valley. Yes Top Fuel and Pro Mod Larry Minor.
Sept. 11, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Softball and hot weather!!

The question is which ROCK? The one we are having the erratic flight issues with is the ISA version. Apparently not all ROCKSs are the same.

Kinda like the X wife. The rock I gave her when we were married wasn't the same as the the bigger one she got 3 years later. Probably one of the reasons why she is referred to as the X :O)
Sept. 10, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Softball and hot weather!!

Well guys... I just spent the most enjoyable 2 hours on the phone with the engineer that designed the ROCK ball. Some of may know him some may not but the conversation was very enlightening. It fortified my position about the ROCK. Read Mad Dogs post. According to the notes I took and the information given me he is correct. But more importantly the ball as well as the Fire Ball is a "cheater ball". The reason you big hitters in NCSSA and SPA players like it is because it is in reality a 47-525 ball despite what it says on the cover. He said "don't believe me test it". Both ASA and U-Trip have outlawed the ball. I wont go into detail about all I learned but I know I'm right about my position on the ROCK. What we have to do is invest in compost cover balls and get away from the synthetic and especially the double layers. I'll do some hunting but the recommendation was the ASA Approved "ROCK" 375-44. It is a single layer cover ball. The compost cover is not as affected by the way the ball contacts with bat.

"At the end of the day" as my friend Tom would say. The ball was never designed to be hit with a senior bat.
Sept. 10, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Softball and hot weather!!

Thank you Steve. Like I said its really not all about the cost. Its an obvious design flaw that I feel puts me in jeopardy. I believe that the double shell is the flaw. I also believe its the reason the ball doesn't break down in the heat. If they (Anaconda Sports) fix it or there is another ball out there that wont break down we'll look at it. If anyone has suggestions other then the ROCK as a solution right now let us know. www.socalssa.com contact info on the site.
Sept. 10, 2013
Marv19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Results of the SCSSA So Cal Championship, Hemet - CA

Our thanks to the 32 teams that braved the triple digit weather to play some softball. Mother nature did her best to foil the process but Old Softballers know how to play in the rain. Well... until a lightning strike about 300 yards away in an open field and an ensuing down poor shortened Saturdays play. But Sunday was a better day.

In the end there were 8 winners of the 8 divisions. A special shout out to Stark Street Pizza and Arizona Elite that traveled from Las Vegas an Phoenix. And a big shout out to Gods Sports Co team. Several of those guys flew in from Northern California. Thanks guys.. you're always welcome. Both division 1A and 1B games were settled by one run. The Division 3 Game went 9 innings. Great Championship games guys! I wish I could charge admission.

Division 1A
1st Arizona Elite
2nd God's Sports Co

Division 1B
1st L.A.F.
2nd Rawlings

Division 2
1st Nighthawks
2nd Top Gun lll

Division 3
1st Oxnard Rookies
2nd Top Gun Thunder

Division 4
1st Git R Done 55
2nd Lights Out

Division 5
1st Venom
2nd Top Gun 60

Division 6
1st Old Time Enchiladas
2nd Cal Xtreme

Division 7
1st Gusto
2nd Git R Done 60

Sept. 10, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Softball and hot weather!!

Here is my take on this. The ROCK is the only ball proven to not break down under the heat. We tried them for a while. Yes they are expensive and we said if you want them we will absorb the difference. Then they went on Back Order and we couldn't get any till late June. In the mean time we hit these balls for batting practice on Wednesdays and Fridays. For several months now I have observed an anomaly in the ball. It has an erratic flight pattern. In that sometimes it will act like a knuckle ball but the ball is spinning. This happens more then I like to see it. Just yesterday at BLD someone hit a screamer to third while I was playing second. From my distance I could see that ball flutter. That ball was so erratic our third baseman barely got it.

So here is what I decided a couple of months ago. Its only a matter of time when a pitcher, third or first baseman or a runner gets nailed BAD. I have had players tell me have everybody sign a waiver. And what does a waiver do. It tells the lawyers that I knew there were possible problems with the ball (come on man!)

Sorry guys waiver or not I am the one that gets sued. If I knowingly let you play with a ticking time bomb and it goes off despite any waiver I loose everything. Im not going to take that chance. My association and your safety is worth more than you wanting to hit 400 foot bombs in 100 degree heat.

So boycott away. If you don't want the SCSSA around over a stupid softball then have at it. At least I'll still own my home and some otherwise unlucky guy will have his eyesight, teeth or God forbid his life.

As far a boycotts go the insurance companies need to boycott that ball until it can be proven a double shell ball wont distort and look like a bottle rocket as it takes flight.
Aug. 20, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: NCSSA Championships kudos

Sorry Rated Athletics went to Sacramento. You know Tim all venues and areas have their pluses and minuses. Our fields down here are the best including BLD in the state. All except San Clemente are new within 8 years old. Hemet is just 4 years old and has sodded fields. Temecula is in the southern California Wine Country and one of the most picturesque parks in the country. We are not anywhere near L.A. We are closer to San Diego, Riverside and Palm Springs than L.A.

The bottom line here is you pitch teams to come to Manteca and don't reciprocate. You had two 50 Major teams from So Cal last weekend. That's two more than have EVER come to one of our events. Even when its going to poor up there and sunny down here no team ever comes down here. We have eight 50M and 50M+ and five 55M M+ teams coming to the So Cal Championship but no team from further north than Bakersfield. So as my grand dad used to say "whats good for the Goose should be good for the Gander" Keep that in mind on those rainy days when you could be plying some really competitive softball just around an hour, by plane, away.
Aug. 19, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: NCSSA Championships kudos

Interesting Tim. Now that you have had 3 of our best So Cal teams travel up there. I just check a map and wouldn't you know it your freeways up there actually have southbound lanes. I suggest the 101 for the scenic view and the 5 for shortest time frame. Im sure our guys down here would like a rematch. 5 games, double eliminations, no ID cards and no softballs to buy. Plus we give $500 cash to each division winners. Maybe that is what asking for anything more will get you :O) I could even help with reservations!
Aug. 19, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: St.Louis Sept. 6,7,8

Ontario International is 45 minutes away. Its a Southwest Hub. Flights are usually $100 each way. I'm holding the tournament open til the end of the week. 34 teams so far on an 8 field fully enclosed complex. It is the largest 2 day senior softball tournament in Southern California. 50M have 8 teams right now 55M have 5. This is our 4th year. Details on the site www.socalssa.com
Aug. 8, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: looking for a team in SoCal

Ray, Where in So Cal? 15 to 25 guys have batting practice on Mon, Wed and Fridays in French Valley (just north of Temecula). A lot of tournament players are there. Plus we have a senior league on Thursday nights at the same complex. Dont like nights? Then come join us and the other 7 teams that play at BLD in Perris on Monday mornings at a 55 an older league. Some info here: www.socalssa.com
July 24, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: 50 Major Plus

One thing you must consider with the off SSUSA tournaments. The venues and if the associations can handle a large influx of teams. You could put a tournament on the calender and find out they only have 4 fields. Things take time gentlemen. We have scheduled our tournaments for 2014 in Hemet where we have reserved a minimum of 6 fields (option for 8) in June of 2013. So those dates and fields are set for the 2014 season already. (see web site for confirmed dates) Temecula and San Clemente are done in September 2013 for the year 2014. But we only have about a 90% guarantee our returning dates are there when we ask for them. We can ask for other times but Youth take priority. If you guys come up with a tentative schedule the venues, the time of the year, possible weather issues all have to be taken into consideration. I think its a great Idea though. If we can be any help with this Jerry for sure will be at the worlds if you need him.
July 24, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: 50 Major + Western Nationals

Nice to see we are not the only ones that get these questions. Its a good topic to follow. Once again, Dave how you do this is remarkable.
Ron made reference to SPA. On this topic SPA and SSUSA are apples and oranges. SPA for their nationals only has M M+ in one month and AA and AAAs in another month. They do 60s one weekend and 50s and 55s another. M M+ are July and the balance is in September. Plus Ridge doesn't draw anywhere near the teams that SSUSA draws. Remember Ron your comparing what SSUSA does in this weekend to a tournament you attended that was half an event. As for doing a two day. You simply cant do double elimination with the amount of turnout in two days. I find it remarkable they can do it in three. These questions are great but need to be tempered by the amount of teams entered. I know when they are asked the person only considers the team they are on. However the big picture is what has to be looked at. Its fascinating to do a schedule. Its like when I used to do jigsaw puzzles. But then the puzzle pieces never complained about where they put :O)
July 17, 2013
Marv19
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: San Clemente SCSSA

John thanks for the complement. Our tournaments on the west coast (11 per year) are not three day events like SSUSA. You can do a whole lot more with three days and more fields. Nor are they qualifiers. We do one a month for the enjoyment of the guys. The format will always vary with the mix of teams entered. With 24 teams entering this one, only four fields and our guarantee that everybody gets 5 games its a little like stuffing 50 people in a phone booth... whats that? :O) Hope to see you in September. We have a lot of 50M M+ 55M M+ teams signed up. Plus we have 8 really nice fields on one complex to spread out more.
July 16, 2013
Marv19
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Results of the SCSSA Summer Invitational San Clemente CA

Dofan You and the other 2 teams are collateral damage from a team dropping out on Friday the day before the event. Needless to say it created a big mess. Jerry put together a way to get 5 games in for everybody. Like it or not whether you beat everybody isn't the point. It has to do with us guaranteeing 5 games to everybody. Plus we ran out of time on Sunday. That being the case the final game with Thunder and Kamikaze will be on 9/7/13. Your division was an elimination format not a "RR - best record" so we cant just declare a winner on their record. This info was emailed to Don yesterday. See you in three weeks then on 9/7
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