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Discussion: P413 revisited

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April 9, 2013
the wood
1087 posts
P413 revisited
I did have the opportunity to hit this bat today. The guys that I hit with (incl Steve McKinlay and Mango) were hitting balls 400' (they were, I wasn't). Trust me when I say this... I know how far this is. The fences were/are 320' and some of the balls were going to and past the base of the light towers (90' behind the fence). For those of you who wish to use Google Mapping, the name of the park is San Gorgonio in San Clemente, CA.
I liked the feel of the bat overall even though it had a rubber cone on the knob. It seemed very forgiving. It is currently being tested for senior play.
The only bat that was used has upwards of 1,000 swings on it. They used a variety of balls.. Stotes, Rocks, Baden Fire, etc. I'm guessing that it was 60-65 degrees... wind wasn't a factor.
As a means of comparison, a Red Miken was also producing some prodigious shots but its owner put it away for fear of breaking it (pretty much his exact words).
Based upon what I saw today I would use it in a game (if/when it becomes legal). I am not financially connected with GSC in any way, shape or form. Nor am I being remunerated.
I went there today with an open mind and was merely testing a bat.
BW
April 9, 2013
surf88
Men's 60
901 posts
Appreciate the feedback Bob. I asked to have the earlier thread closed because of the controversial nature stemming from the past history.

I hope our communication was positive and that I was helpful to you.

If I can help you and your pals with your current/future bat needs, I welcome the opportunity.
Ed Andrews
batman@andrewsdev.com
(970) 729-3145
April 9, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
I'll take your word for it Bob.
We'll all just have to wait until the rest of the issues are told to complete the story.
This chapter seems very positive.
Congrats to Steve and crew.
April 9, 2013
the wood
1087 posts
Ed, the email exchanges were positive. Thanks.
I commented on the bat and only the bat. I did this because it (this thread) is just about the bat and not about any past history. GSC has a product out there and it is tangible.
I did meet several of the top employees and, while I feel good about my time with them, I'll just stay focused on the bat.
BW
April 9, 2013
surf88
Men's 60
901 posts
well spoken. Agreed.
April 10, 2013
Mango
Men's 50
92 posts
So let me preface this by saying that I have no financial stake in GSC. However, I have known and been friends with Steve MacKinlay for over 30 years. And it is BECAUSE I know Steve and his, how shall I say …. over exuberance and tendency toward hyperbole, that I viewed all this talk about his “super bat” with a great deal of skepticism. I hit one of his prototypes about a year and a half ago (that he told me was fantastic) and it was terrible. It didn’t break, but it was dead.. Somewhere in the past year and a half they figured it out.

After yesterday I am no longer a skeptic. I hit Mac’s bat for about 60 swings, then used my bat of choice for the last 4 years. I put my red Miken (because I was afraid it would break) back in my bag after using it for about 10 swings to gauge the distance of the field. I also swung a white combat centenarian ( another bat I break between 75-100 swings). I was hitting the GSC bat farther.

For me, Mac’s bat was not better than the bat I’ve used for the last 4 years (red Miken) in terms of distance. But it was very very close. However, in terms of durability…it appears to be not even in the same solar system…we put over 500 swings on it today and I was told it had 500 plus when we started. I’m ecstatic if I get 75 to 100 swings on my red Ultras, often times breaking them in under 50. I would never even consider putting an Ultra through what we did to that bat yesterday.



If he gets that bat approved, and I don’t see why it wouldn't because it is not hotter than a red Ultra,players will no longer have to sacrifice durability for performance.

To quote Softball4B… it will be a game changer.

Mango
April 10, 2013
Mango
Men's 50
92 posts
Point of clarification- I was hitting the GSC farther than the white combat, but not farther than the red Ultra.
April 11, 2013
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
403 posts
Sounds interesting
April 11, 2013
tekdad
21 posts
I Have swung the GSC Bat extensively and found it to be comparable if not better performing then the other senior bats I have used. Durability on the other hand is off the charts. I know that players in my area are anxiously waiting it's arrival. They are also making an ASA Bat and quite possibly a USSSA/NSA model as well. Steve, Rev and the team are really on to something special here. My humble 2 cents, Troy E
April 12, 2013
JDub
Men's 50
150 posts
GREAT, ANOTHER STOOOPID BAT ! ! !

HEY TIMMY, WHEN IS YOUR STOOOPID BAT DUE TO RELEASE ? ? ?
April 12, 2013
surf88
Men's 60
901 posts
As I shared earlier, the P413 should be out in a short time and currently the senior bat is the only one in the process. There will be others to come.

I am taking orders for those interested. A full one year warranty will accompany the P413.
Contact me at info above.
EA
Surf88
April 12, 2013
tekdad
21 posts
To JDub
What does stoooopid mean ? You seem to like to chime in on various posts with cocky remarks.. I'm thinking you must be this omnipotent ( big time softball player ).. Been many years since I've heard a grown man use words like you do . Way to represent JDub ,.. Lol
April 12, 2013
JDub
Men's 50
150 posts
All kidding aside, today's Bat Technolgy is out of Control! Pretty much anyone can Hit Bombs, even your sister (if applicable). This Technology makes them (Legally) Very Dangerous (STOOOPID) for many, and I for one don't believe they belong in any - not just in the Senior Game (IMHO) ! ! !


Be Safe Have Fun,
Jeff White #7
Arizona Elite
April 12, 2013
tekdad
21 posts
To Jeff ,
Thanks for the clarification , the bats are very live indeed . I said the same about the Double Wall in the early 90's as I walked away from competitive softball.. It is cool seeing the prideful smile on a seniors face after hitting the longest ball he has ever hit in the " Bucket List " years of his playing career.. Priceless.. Good luck this year and give the GSC bat a shot , if performance is something your not worried about then the durability itself makes this bat the best value around.. Troy E
April 13, 2013
Malo37
55 posts
This is Dave with AZ Elite. We'd love to try the bat if possible....
April 14, 2013
JDub
Men's 50
150 posts
Malo37,

Johnny Allen says you can use his GSC Bat whenever you want! All you need to do is call and let him know When & Where (LOL) ! ! !


LMFAO,
@$$hole #2
April 15, 2013
tekdad
21 posts
Prime time ...
April 25, 2013
Wayne 37
207 posts
Note to Mango:

If you can hit the ball 400 feet with a senior bat, why not just get a regular ASA/USSSA approved bat........should last a lot longer.
April 30, 2013
surf88
Men's 60
901 posts
The GSC senior bat P413 was approved for SSUSA yesterday and bat manufacturing will begin. I have been taking reservations and have not been charging anyone until they tell me the bats are ready to be shipped.

Obviously people have a choice and there are senior options out there but if anyone needs my assistance with a P413 senior bat, do not hesitate to call me and I will make sure you are on my early order list.

Thanking the many players who have been patient and understanding with regard to the development of the P413. It has been appreciated by the engineer and the entire GSC staff.

If I am chosen to help you with your bat needs, I promise to do my best as I have been doing for the past 3 years with Reebok bats. Like many of you, I am a senior ball player and an accountable businessman.

Ed Andrews
(970) 728-3144/729-3145
batman@andrewsdev.com
April 30, 2013
HJ
Men's 70
443 posts
A senior bat with a 1 year warranty sounds very promising if the performance is reasonable whatever that means. Ed, have you personally tried that bat and if so what are your thoughts?
Does it come only in balanced form and does it swing light or heavy? Is production in the US?
I think answers to these questions would be helpful to all. Thank you.
April 30, 2013
the wood
1087 posts
HJ:
I have tried the bat and it was hitting balls in the same general area as the Red Miken and White Combat.
It only comes in one weight configuration (i.e. a blend between balanced and end loaded). It does have bat weight choices of 26-29 oz.
I'm told that it is being manufacturedin the factory in SC... the one that very few people believed actually existed.
I know that you asked this of Ed so I apologize if you prefer to hear from him. I am totally impartial as I do not intend to sell the P413 nor will I be paid in any capacity.
BW
April 30, 2013
surf88
Men's 60
901 posts
HJ: I had an older generation bat since December. I used it in Florida, Tucson, Bullhead City and in Telluride, Colorado. It was solid and for me, was nearly equivalent to my Reebok Melee Legend in distance. The newer bat just approved, I have not yet had the opportunity to hit but I will hopefully get to soon.

There will be weights of 26-29 and perhaps a 30 later on. The bats are built in Charleston, SC and I can't wait to swing the new approved model in the mountains and in the colder climate in which we hit.
Thanks,
EA
April 30, 2013
Coachg
Men's 55
4 posts
We will be holding Demo nights in Phoenix AZ. As soon as I receive bats I will be posting the dates. Anyone interested can email me at gary@gscbats.com. For additional information you can call or text me at 623-523-9609. From all of us at God's Sports Company we appreciate your patience.
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