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| Oct. 28, 2006 STONEMAN Men's 50 535 posts | SUSPENSIONS for Using an ILLEGAL BAT: SENIORS, HOW ABOUT THE FOLLOWING: FOR THE SUMMIT TO VOTE ON:::: 1) The SUMMIT-- the only 2 balls allowed r: a) 50 cor ball w/ a 375 comp (when temp are about 80 degrees B) 47 cor ball w/ a 375 comp, to be used in Fall, Winter, & Spring. THIS COULD TAKE CARE of the ball problems!!! 2) Use of an ILLEGAL BAT: A) FIRST TIME, ONLY. a) admit to using an ILLEGALBAT-- One yr. b) Bat turned in & tested-- Two yrs. (if, found ILLEGAL.) B) SECOND OFFENSE: a) admit to using another ILLEGAL BAT-- TWO YRS. b) if, a player has already admitted or has had a bat turned in, 5 yrs. c) if, this SECOND OFFENSE, has taken place, any of the ORGANIZATIONS, can suspend that offending player for 1 to 5 yrs. IF, A PLAYERS GET HURTS, because another player did use an ILLEGAL BAT: that ORGANIZ', has the right to review that case & SUSPEND the OFFENDING player from 1 to 5 yrs or life. (That Organiz.' only.) NOTE: If, a player is caught using an ILLEGAL BATS & has hurt 2 ballplayers, any ORGANIZ.' may review the last case or cases & SUSPEND the OFFENDING PLAYER, for 1yr, up to LIFE. 3) MANAGERS LIABILITY: a) FIRST TIME--- whole team gets the boot form that Tournament. b) SECOND TIME-- MGR, gets a 1 yr suspension (( 5 yr time period)) c) any player that has already been booted, because one of his TEAMMATES, in the past was using an ILLEGAL BAT, that player or players can also get the same SUSPENSION, 1 YR., same as the MANAGER. NOTE: This record should be keeped for 5 yrs. ((A player having a TEAMMATE caught for the SECOND TIME, W/ in 5 YRS.)) 4) PLAYERS or MANAGERS THAT MAKE FALSE ACCUSATION(S): a) FIRST TIME BEING WRONG-- Manager-- must leave that game. THIS proccess is up to the Tournament Director or Other Team. b) Manager & or Players that have a HISTORY of making FALSE ACCUSATIONS--that individual, can be SUSPENDED by the TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR, SSWC'S FIELD REP, for the rest of the tournament. c) after a Player, or Manager, has been bootted from 1 event; any following "WRONG DOINGS", can be reviewed by The SUMMIT or by SSWC. this will be left up to the ORGANIZ.', in which repeated False Accusations have been CLAIMED. GENE 22 / EINSTEIN / JANO 23 / GARY 19: ANYONE: Help me out here. Hope this helps !!! The STONEMAN.........A HOWLING |
| Oct. 28, 2006 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Stoneman, you're a monster and thanks for all your dedicated efforts to help us move toward solving out illegal/altered bat problems. A whole bunch of your words could be replaced by one thing. Lifetime ban. Caught with illegal bat? Lifetime ban. Won't give up bat for scrutiny? Lifetime ban. Offending team? automatic suspension from tournament. Do a bat crime? Banned for a lifetime. |
| Oct. 28, 2006 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Stoneman, you're a monster and thanks for all your dedicated efforts to help us move toward solving out illegal/altered bat problems. A whole bunch of your words could be replaced by one thing. Lifetime ban. Caught with illegal bat? Lifetime ban. Won't give up bat for scrutiny? Lifetime ban. Offending team? automatic suspension from tournament. Do a bat crime? Banned for a lifetime. |
| Oct. 28, 2006 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | I also think it's time for a players union. Really. Our representatve can handle all our stuff and notify us as things are dealt with properly and if not we boycott the tournament or the association involved. Somebody like the Wood would be a fabulous rep. See. We need some simple way to argue and follow up regarding anything we're trying to resolve. Our rep could handle everything. What do you say? |
| Oct. 28, 2006 STONEMAN Men's 50 535 posts | JOE:: My good friend. Let's go slowwly. If, this does not work, then we can give any ORGANIZATION the right to ban a player for 5 yrs or more. Remember, each ORGANIZ.', is separte. ANOTHER POINT: IF, A Testing Lab believes that a bat has been made ILLEGAL, let the ORGANIZ.', that sent that bat in, contact the ballplayer. WHY? Let the player know, that the Testing Lab wants to sent that bat off for more test. If, that player says NO. Then the ORGANIZ.', that took that bat, sent that bat in for TESTING, can come back & give that PLAYER a 5 yr SUSPENSION, ETC, ETC. JUST A HOWLING.......The STONE DAWG.. |
| Oct. 28, 2006 Joncon 328 posts | zzzzzzzzz |
| Oct. 28, 2006 Tater50 Men's 60 336 posts | Stoneman; Einstein: I think I made myself clear on the bat situation when I placed my name on this National Board that I would not cheat. I am standing with anybody that wants to keep altered bats out of any game, but I have to totally disagree with the manager receiving punishment for a cheating player. I coached for 2 years & I did not know what bat each player bought. If it can be proved that the manager had prior knowledge, that is an accessory, but this type of rule would discourage coaches from putting teams together. Managers do not know everything that goes on, on a team. I still think we need to think of the harm we could cause another player if we hit them with an illegal/altered bat instead of totally focusing on what punishment that needs to be administered after the fact. Loss of sight or even more extreme (life); loss of work or whatever. Hurting someone would be an awful thing to have over your head if you did it with an altered/illegal bat. Tater50 John W. Hayes |
| Oct. 28, 2006 Hit the gap Men's 70 154 posts | Tater, you have got to be kidding. I know what every guy on my team swings. Always have. I cannot imagine that a manager or player would not know what guys are swinging. It's simple curiosity. I pick them up and swing them. If they feel good and I see that they have some pop I may want to get one. Some responsibility must be put on the manager. What's wrong with every manager taking this issue and addressing it with his team? |
| Oct. 29, 2006 STONEMAN Men's 50 535 posts | HIT THE GAP: THANKS, this WAS a SUGUESTION: MANAGERS LIABILITY: a) FIRST TIME--- whole team gets the boot form that Tournament. b) SECOND TIME-- MGR, gets a 1 yr suspension (( 5 yr time period)) c) any player that has already been booted, because one of his TEAMMATES, in the past was using an ILLEGAL BAT, that player or players can also get the same SUSPENSION, 1 YR., same as the MANAGER. TATER 50 / HIT THE GAP:: If, u do not mind,please, give or try & help out w/ the above. ITEM a), I believe is O.K.; ITEM b) if, this happens TWICE w/ in a 5 yr period, should their be any suspension? What if, this happens 2 or 3 times a yr.? (( A MGR HAS A HISTORY of his PLAYERS using ILLEGAL BATS.)) If, so, then what? ITEM c) should this be dropped? or what? AGAIN, I AM AGANIST LIFE TIME SUSPENSIONS. Only if, a player is injured badly & or a player keeps using ILLEGAL BATS. HELP.........The STONEMAN |
| Oct. 29, 2006 Fred Scerra Men's 80 542 posts | I agree with Joncon. Haven't we beat this to death yet. How more threads do we have have on the subect. If you are so worried about safety why not push for not allowing the 47/525 balls and the Ultra's. Can we play the taps for this subject? |
| Oct. 29, 2006 STONEMAN Men's 50 535 posts | FRED;; Yes, push for 50 cor balls w/ a 375 comp & or a 47 cor ball w/ a 375 comp. These r the only safe balls that BALL MFG'S can produce. U-2s & SENIOR COMBATS: TRUMPBALL, can u help? With the new testing, etc, is the U-2 & SENIOR COMBAT legal bats. Do these 2 bats meet the 1.20 BPF? FRED / JONCON: What ever the SUMMIT does this winter, I would want some SENIOR imput? Will they change the rules to : 1 yr? 5 yrs.? OR a LIFE TIME BAN? THANKS..... ThE STONEMAN |
| Oct. 29, 2006 E. Ness 122 posts | Stoneman you do realize the balls you are talking about are pillows? Find some and hit them before you suggest that. Guys are already crying about the 44/375 you go with the 50/375 or 47/375 and people will quit the game. You are talking about soft balls. I tested both the 50 and 47 and if there is any heat 70+ you will be looking at 10 man infields. You might as well play with the 16 inch ball. You are right on with everything else but becareful what you wish for. Hit them and then see if you still want to play with them. A 50/47 core 400 would be much better and it would still achieve what you are looking for. Guys are still going to cry with that. |
| Oct. 29, 2006 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Not taking anything away from our movement to resolve the altered/illegal bat problem I feel like Elliot that the caliber of ball problem is at the core of the issue. That is, TD's that use inferior balls set up the desire to get more distance by using hotter bats. We still need powerful measures to get rid of altered/illegal bats but having good balls for all tournaments would be a very wise element of the solution. |
| Oct. 29, 2006 Ken Men's 55 462 posts | I couldn't agree more. I also agree with having the player classification on his/her association card. It would be interesting to see how the cheaters would eventually get around this attempt at making the game fair for everyone. |
| Oct. 29, 2006 Tater50 Men's 60 336 posts | HTG: I am not kidding; If you are an individual that is adamantly against altered/illegal bats, no one is going to talk to you about altering bats. I put on my roster in huge Letters; WE DO NOT USE ALTERED BATS; then I got everyone to sign it. I still do not believe that a manager knows everything about player's bats on a team. I do not know the answer, but I do know of one guy that will not alter or use illegal bats & his name is below. Tater50 John W. Hayes |
| Oct. 29, 2006 Gene22 Men's 55 78 posts | STONEMAN: The 44/375 would be great, as long as they do not change the 120 bp. Any suspension should be for all associations. Hurt (define hurt) a player with an altered bat = LIFE. The manager needs to get involved at the base level, when it comes to altered bats. The manager has a responsibility to educate the players on not using altered bat. The manager of a player that is found to have used an altered bat, should get 1 year suspension, 2nd time =LIFE, and the same for the player that used the bat. Only 1 question…….How do you get the bat (for testing) from the batters cold lifeless hands. Irish Catholic New Yorker speaking……”Would that then be a sin Father” ???? Gary19: Yes, the Ohio Silverados will be in Ft. Myers. If anyone sees me and agrees with me, say hi, and if you don’t believe that there are altered bats being used….Walk on by LOL. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverados #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 30, 2006 ReadyToGo 14 posts | MORE: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| Oct. 30, 2006 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Isn't it interesting that the guys who are most disrespectful of others like Joncon and Ready to Go and a host of others don't put down who they really are? A connection? Of course, there is. Listen, I don't ever want to speak with anyone who doesn't post as they really are and don't want to hear any comments from anyone who doesn't. The website doesn't differentiate? Fine. But I do. |
| Oct. 30, 2006 Gripit&Ripit 31 posts | I HAVE TO GO WITH "JONCON" & "READY TO GO":zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| Oct. 30, 2006 Gripit&Ripit 31 posts | I HAVE TO GO WITH "JONCON" & "READY TO GO":zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| Oct. 30, 2006 Older Than Dirt Men's 50 28 posts | Leave it to Einstein to go off topic again. Look Joe, no-one cares who you want, or don't want, to talk to. Adress the issue, or shut the hell up. |
| Oct. 30, 2006 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | You and I could settle this man to man but as of yet I don't know who you are so you don't qualify. Till then. |
| Oct. 30, 2006 Gripit&Ripit 31 posts | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz einstien, shut the hell up, i'm trying to sleep zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| Oct. 30, 2006 60 Bill 27 posts | Winstein, Ever think a lot of us don't want to talk to you ONE ON ONE, please go away or stay on the topic. Bill |
