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Discussion: Home runs, how far with a normal bat...?

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Dec. 4, 2006
batguyaz
134 posts
Home runs, how far with a normal bat...?
Hey guys;
Just for fun (I saw this on another site), how far can the best hitters in senior softball hit a ball with an ASA bat & ASA ball, no freaks, just 98mph bats...?
Dec. 4, 2006
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
BATGUY AZ: ASA balls are in most cases fairly good. As far as ASA BATS?? Early in 2006, the bat MFG's found their way, into getting around the New ASTM standards. So, in 2006, there is or will be no diff.' in the 98 or 100 MPH bats.

JUST 4 FUN, what will be the following? 1) Temp.' 2) Altitude 3) Wind speeds (in or out) 4) Brand of Ball 5) In door or Outdoor 6) Sunny or Overcast

My guest...... 400 feet, plus...

The STONEMAN.........
Dec. 5, 2006
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
Not only brand of ball but also cor and compression.
We took bp last Saturday and with old 44/375 Worth Gold Dots the best that I could do with ASA bats was maybe two-hopping the 305' fence. The temperature was about 55.

This past summer in Fl we were hitting them with U2's and the best we could do was to hit the fence in the air. I'm sure the heat had everything to do with that.
Dec. 5, 2006
bogie
Men's 55
154 posts
C'mon Bruce...you could hit those ball out with a tennessee thumper. You aren't getting old..are you?, LOL! You can bet if Bruce says they are bad, they are!
I couldn't agree more with your post. This summer at Eastern Nationals, when it got the warmest at say 1:00, the balls seemed to go 30 feet shorter, than when it was cooler in the early morning. Those were poly covered 44, 375s.
Higher temperatures really seem to soften them up. At Seattle Worlds the temps were cool, ball comps were higher because of it and teams were just killing the ball.
(aame ball as nationals) I think with ASA bats, (having seen Kellys guys hit them), the top end distance can rival the U2, I just think the U2 is alot more consistent but not necessarily alot further on the top end. When temps are cool and wind low..these guys will reach 400 feet.
Ken- Roberts 50major
Dec. 5, 2006
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
Ken, when these guys are complaining about the Gold Dots I just tell them that we don't have to worry about losing them over the fence lol.


As for guys mashing the ball with an ASA bat, in my mind I am thinking of Gary Deaton or Bruce Meade.
Dec. 5, 2006
E. Ness
122 posts
I asked Mike Macenko once about what was the biggest factor in hitting a softball out of the park ( this was before these bats but our bats were still pretty good) and he said three things make or break you. Conditions, Conditions, and Conditions.

I believe he was right. Bruce and Mike can hit the ball out against the wind with dead balls but not as often as they can with the wind or no wind and in cooler temps. The man knew more than he spoke back then because he was only talking about wind not temp.
Dec. 7, 2006
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
BAT GUY: I hit my new ANTI-VIRUS, today. Temp was about 70 degrees; altitude is 2160', light wind coming in. This bat is 30 ozs. I have about 90 swings on this bat.

I hit 2 balls into the parking lot & 2 balls that 1 hopped into the park' lot @ Lorinzi Park, field # 3. Combats, new ASA bat will HIT BALLS about 400'; maybe, more. We were hit' ASA & U-TRIP 44 COR balls W/ 375 COMP. ((Diamond & Dudley, were the balss.))

For those of u that know Lorinzi Park, this is the S.E. field that has the park' lot & basketball court.

I have been told, that in APRIL, the fields @ Lornizi, will be torn down. The CITY, will make 6 new Softball Fields that are 300' to 325'.

BRUCE in GA... how is HO-JO? He has web feet..
GOOD LUCK.........The STONEMAN............

Dec. 7, 2006
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
Ho-Jo??

I took your advice and now have a 30oz NRG Maxload. I only have around 25 swings on it but like the way if feels and hits.
Dec. 8, 2006
Lefty
Men's 65
481 posts
BruceinGA. I haven't seen to many players out here swinging the NRG 500. They're still useing the freak. I have a well broken in NRG ASA balance. I went hit a little BP with it a few months ago at 75 degrees useing a Dudley advance 375/44 balls. As you know Bruce I'm not very big in statue. 183lbs. 5'8", 58yrs young and the ball travels between 300' to 345'. So I would think this is a pretty good bat. I have the NRG 600 and it hits more consistant over a 300' fence and little more in distance. Just my input.
Dec. 8, 2006
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
Lefty, I neglected to say that mine is a 600 Maxload. I have heard good reports about the ASA 500.
Dec. 8, 2006
E. Ness
122 posts
Stoneman I thought I was going to get to hit the AV against the new Rip-it senior ASA bat this weekend but the Rip-it will not be here until Monday so that is a no. I will however have a chance to break in my Virus and Senior Combats.
Dec. 8, 2006
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
E. NEST:: I have been test' bats, for the last few wks. We have broken 6 bats. Some of these bats were our own bats.

This TIME of YR, one should hit just 44 cor balls w/ a 375-400 comp. We broke those bats hit' 44/ 500s & 47/ 525s.
Dudley, Diamond, & Trump would be good balls to hit until April.

As far as the SENIOR COMBAT, this bat is hot out of the wrapper. I had 8 hits on my bat & started see' those Spyder Cracks, in the paint. This means that, that bat is "flexing" more than what the paint on that bat can handle.

The ANTI-VIRUS, will take about 100 - 200 swings to break in. I have 90 swings on my bat & it is starting to break in. I was told that when the ANTI-VIRUS, does break in, that bat is as hot or almost as hot as the COMBAT.

I believe that the ANTI-VIRUS, is almost as good as the SENIOR COMBAT. The ANTI-VIRUS, just takes a lil' time to break in..

GOOG LUCK..... STAY AWAY FROM THE 47 CORS
The STONEMAN.......................OUT
Dec. 8, 2006
E. Ness
122 posts
Stoneman I have been known to break a few myself. My AV is very good with 100 swings on it and if the Virus is better then I will have a bonus. The senior combat is new but not for long. We use 44 core balls until the bats are broke in then go two rubber balls.

Rubber balls on a baseball field will bring one back down to earth. But at least it is hitting and that is always gtg.
Feb. 1, 2007
pwhewett
Men's 55
8 posts
In NJ we only use decent 375/44 balls and, all conditions considered, find that the U2 adds about 35' to everyone's hits compared to the Freak, and that the Freak hits 15 - 20' further than any other bats we've tried. Every now and then the U2 launches a ball up to 100' over the max of a Freak - wish I could find out how to practice that stroke but everyone that experiences it agrees that sometimes the ball just takes off! When it is real hot and humid the ball loses 40-50'; we don't know if the problem is the balls, the bats, or a combination of both.
Feb. 1, 2007
wellsaz
11 posts
the longest ball I have seen with a ASA ball and bat was at Apache Wells parks in Mesa, Az.
It was just over the street by the church, right a 348ft. It was from the guy that does the clinics.
Feb. 2, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
Last year at the ISF Championships in Manassas one of the teams we played hit a couple around 400 feet! :)
Feb. 2, 2007
audieh
Men's 60
242 posts
Now Bruce, I was playing in those games when Grandpa hit those two bombs from that team up north. There was not one person in that park who believed that was a normal Freak bat that he was using. Perhaps a painted Ultra 1 but certainly not a Freak!
Feb. 2, 2007
Joncon
289 posts
It IS all about the conditions.

I hit a ball about 600" one time....of course it was straight down into Lake Powell.
Feb. 2, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
You know, Audie, that's what happens when they only allow ASA bats! Some guys think of ways of getting around the rules.
Feb. 3, 2007
Conman13
Men's 50
5 posts
Hey Bruce, Audie

It doesn't matter what bat is allowed by the associations.

When you play with and against the same guys (50+) for a number of years, using the same bats (U-2) and balls, same fields etc. .. I don't believe it is possible someone could all of a sudden hit the ball over 50' further than they ever have in our age group. Unless maybe they personally juiced up (didn't happen) or maybe juiced their bat up (Hmmm...).

Sad to say Ultras and Senior Combats are also being "altered". It's a clue when you see the one "team bat" being used by several guys, while a dozen other U-2's and Combats are lined up against the fence in the dugout.

Good luck at the TOCC.

Dave
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