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Discussion: New location for world.

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Nov. 15, 2008
lobo24
14 posts
New location for world.
I would like to see the world moved.How about Palm Springs California. Do you agree or disagree.That field of dreams park would bring in alot of teams.My team would love to play there.Is it any wayit will move in October?
Nov. 15, 2008
jc24
96 posts
What MOST of the MIDWEST to EAST COAST would want would be to make the Worlds ...MORE CENTRAL so all of us could get there...NOT 2500 miles to Palm Springs, CA..nice place...yep! Cost for the Midwest to East coast guys, a lot of extra money. The Phoenix, AZ trip is a GRAND or a little less....so, less and less teams will come if Terry and Company move the Worlds any farther...remember Seattle in 2006 or 1007....pretty much a West Coast tourney if my member serves me correct..

Let's put the Worlds in Kansas City or St.Louis or somewhere in the 1st week of October.
The plane ride for the west coast folks or the drive is not very far.

So, I'm not for moving the Worlds any farther than they already are. Just my 4cents worth..

JC
#24
Nov. 16, 2008
jc24
96 posts
TYPOs..sorry...what I...MEANT TO SAY....in a couple lines is...if my MEMORY serves me right...2006 or 2007 the Worlds were in Seattle and it was pretty much a WEST COAST WORLDS...AND...that the plane ride or car ride to Plam Springs, CA would be a very short distance for the West Coast teams.

Thanks

JC
#24
Nov. 16, 2008
smooth01
Men's 50
123 posts
I agree with JC24, moving the WORLDS somewhere in the Midwest makes more sense than moving it even farther away,just to satisfy the west coast teams. A central location would make it more cost efficient and would draw more teams ,that could likely drive instead of having to pay airfare to fly across the country.Convenience would make it fair for everyone.
Nov. 16, 2008
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
403 posts
I find it's much easier convincing players to spend money to travel to a destination spot (i.e. Phoenix, Vegas & Reno) and as well flights usually cost a lot less. It would seem to me if you choose a central location in the Continent that you make it easier for all teams to attend.

Just my $0.02
Nov. 16, 2008
Jawood
Men's 50
800 posts
You move the Worlds to the mid west in October and you are dealing with lousy weather and maybe a tornado, I just threw that part in, I don't know. What better spot of have this event at the end of October than sunny Phoenix when most of us around the country are already dealing with 45-50 degrees and rain.
Nov. 16, 2008
Smokey20
Men's 55
102 posts
How bout the new BLD in Texas?
Nov. 16, 2008
smooth01
Men's 50
123 posts
You are right about the weather aspect,on second thought , forget my earlier post,I have to agree with you,warm weather is something to look forward to ,coming from the midwest.
Nov. 16, 2008
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
I'm a bit biased living in Arizona, but no matter where you might suggest, remember the BLFD does NOT allow the use of the Miken bats. This might be an issue for more than a few players.
Nov. 16, 2008
the wood
1096 posts
Palm Springs doesn't have enough quality fields to hold any type of serious event. They tried it 2 years ago and it was less than adequate even though they were able to use BLD on Thur & Fri... they don't allow Mikens and they seldom allow seniors to use it on weekends.
Seattle was used the same year (different assn) and it was great... good weather (mid -Sept), lots fields, etc... the downside was the extreme northwest location... as someone pointed out, this made it more of a regional event... all this is true of Salem, OR, too.
KC, MO is good also but not in July... Tulsa not so good.
Lincoln, NE, was a good choice... but tough to get to.
Des Moines, IA, was used a lot from 2002-2005 and we always liked it... not easy to fly into though... several complexes.
Phoenix was good as well but I'd like to see it held a little later as it was still mid 90s when we were there last month...
Las Vegas is a good place but the fields are suspect and the wind can be strong.
Plano, TX is a good choice but, again, not in July.
Wherever it is held... you need several decent and comparable complexes... should be an airline hub of sorts and centrally located... my personal favorites would be Plano and KC... or AZ in late Oct.
The Sacramento area has a lot of fields but it isn't centrally located.
Thirty years ago we played in Fenton, MO, which is in the St Louis area... it usually rained when we were there.
BW
Nov. 16, 2008
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
your right about BLD parks,they won't cater to the seniors,also they do not have more than 4-6 fields max,it would take a month to get all div's in.dallas has enough fields that would be great to play at,they are scattered around tho.plano area(north dallas) most likely would be the best area to stage it in(its where SPA used to have thiers).end of sept (the last 2 weeks) would be good weather not to hot or cold then. dallas is centrally located also to the rest of the country,easy in and out and plenty of rooms.can have traffic prol(like most big city's) around the the rush hr time(330-7 pm)mon-fri.
i don't know enough about houston or san antonio area's to comment on them.maybe the austin area might be ok as you could use the georgetown fields also.would only give ya around 15 fields(2 parks i know of) that i know of to work with.
Nov. 16, 2008
WOW
197 posts
Has to be in a place that is almost %100 guaranteed to be good weather. Late in yr. [like Phx was this yr ]is best.
Sure it might cost a little more for east coasters, but that didn't seem to be the case this yr. Lots of those teams came.
Certainly wouldn't want to spend money to travel someplace centrally located only to have bad weather cancel the event.

Maybe St George or Mesquite! Great weather and flights into Vegas are always cheap. Fields certainly are MUCH better than Vegas. Rooms in Mesquite are also cheap.
Nov. 17, 2008
Corky
Men's 55
449 posts
MOVE IT TO A CENTRAL LOCATION !!!!!!!
Nov. 17, 2008
Ken
Men's 55
462 posts
Corky, I would agree with you, but WOW is right. It must be in a location where good weather is a certainty. If there is an air hub (to ensure low prices for flights) in a central location that still has good weather late in the year, I think it should be considered for the tournament. I don't think any association can claim that their National or World championships are really for everyone unless they make sure they get everyone there. Iím sure everyone would agree that any World Championship in Seattle s or the SPA Championship in Georgia are just regional tourneys at best, no matter what they print on the T shirts.
Nov. 17, 2008
18mike
Men's 55
23 posts
I agree that it should be held somewhere centrally located to make sure that the most teams have an opportunity to play.

When it comes to the Fall tournaments, what is wrong with
going back to the PLANO/DFW area.

It's easy to get to from most anywhere, and you can be
certain of good weather.
Nov. 17, 2008
18mike
Men's 55
23 posts
How about Plano / DFW area ???
Nov. 18, 2008
Duke
Men's 60
731 posts
Hey Ken and Jawood,

Although Texas might be a more centralized area, weather is a big issue as you both have stated. Every year that I have attended the Phoenix Worlds, it has been great weather and over 90 degrees. When you have some 300 teams attending, why would you want to play anywhere else and jeopardize all of teams the possibility of not playing. The location for this tournament is not going to change guys, so pick another tournament to relocate. It is also traditional to play this tournament in Phoenix, and that counts for something too. As a businessman, there is no way that I would change this tournament location, especially in October and the number of teams involved.

Andy Smith,
Double Nickels,
Manager/Coach
Nov. 18, 2008
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
andy its not traditional to have it phx,it just started to be there every yr.ssusa just struck up a deal with phx that started last yr, and is to go for the next few yrs.
texas is a good weather area.lots of places to stay and the parks are as good as phx.we play ball here all yr long.end of sept would be a great time of the yr to have the champ games.
Nov. 18, 2008
Jawood
Men's 50
800 posts
Duke, I don't want Texas! I love Arizona in October!
Nov. 18, 2008
Ken
Men's 55
462 posts
I just want a tournament location that would ensure the best turnout. In the LVSSA and in Phoenix this year we played teams from all over the country. This was the first time in my memory (which is getting shorter by the day, lol) that we played teams that were not from California, or at least close to us. We played Iowa, Maryland, New York, Hawaii, Kansas, Minnesota, Ohio, Kentucky, Missouri, and one from NorCal that we hadnít played in two years. I think this is the type of well-rounded experience we all are looking for. But, our division in Phoenix (55 major) didnít have any teams from Illinois, Florida, or New York, three high population states. If the cost of travel was the reason behind this, we will need to find the cheapest location to draw teams from all over. Phoenix might be the best choice. It looks like airfare there is about 10% more than to D/FW for most people in the eastern part of the country, but youíll always have good weather. Either way, we must have locations that give us the best chance of producing a true National Championship, not a regional alternative.
Nov. 18, 2008
WOW
197 posts
Corky
ITS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. When you have the turn- out Terry gets for Phx., why would he change!!!
Also, remember when he tried Canada? BIG MISTAKE.
#1 consideration is good weather!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov. 21, 2008
Robo2
229 posts
I'm from NJ and i look forward to Phoenix. My wife & I go there to play ball and use it as a vacation as well. The weather is great; ball fields kept in great shape and plenty of them and plenty of teams from states all across the country. The hotels are convenient and so are the choice for food.

why mess with success? If anyone experienced any problems then it would be a different story. If it means traveling to one less tourney then that is what it is.
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