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Feb. 5, 2010
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
Move the TOC
Here is another reason the TOC needs to be moved. In the northeast they are calling for 16" to 24" of snow today and tomorrow. Airlines have cancelled most flights out of Baltimore today already. On Tue. and Wed. they are calling for more snow. Sure hope we can get to the TOC!!!!! I know SSUSA has contracts with cites for this T but sure will suck if teams can not get there because weather (SNOW) up here. Practices have been fun. Spent over a $100 for indoor place last week and came outside two hours later to find 6" snow.
Feb. 5, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
683 posts
Ross, I feel your pain. Just in case you think, all is doom and gloom. I have to go to work tonight at midnight, so be glad you are not in my shoes. Oh the life of a paper boy. See you Wed. at the TOC. Thanks Harry
Feb. 5, 2010
Dbax
Men's 60
1279 posts
Maybe you should move.
Feb. 5, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
At this age, I'm happy if I can move. Good luck to all traveling to The TOC and stay safe.
Feb. 5, 2010
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Dbax we opened up the new field of dreams in Vegas last weekend it was bone chilling weather. When we started last week it was about 40 degrees it did get all the way up to 65 degrees around noon time. I'm sure Phoenix suffered through the same Artic Blast.
Feb. 5, 2010
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
Even though I agree with #45, I have been given a very definitive explanation by DD as to why the TOC will remain in it's current time for now and into the future. It will not change! We really do not get that many large snowfalls here in the Baltimore area. The type of year that we are having this winter comes around maybe every five to ten years or so. I would never move because I'm 2 hours from the ocean, 2 hours to the mountains, and live close to 2 big cities that I can go see MLB, NHL, NBA and NFL games, as well as many major colleges. The only thing that I would like to see is for this area ( Baltimore ) to put up a softball complex like the one in Salem, Virginia, Botentout complex. I've been to many places to play ball on both sides of this country, and there are some nice places in Arizona, Florida and many other areas, but that complex is my favorite! Hey Harry, maybe what is bothering that shoulder is throwing those newspapers up on peoples porches, maybe your wife could do that for you too! LOL
Feb. 5, 2010
Dbax
Men's 60
1279 posts
Joe, but you did not have to shovel anything!
Feb. 5, 2010
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
Dbax, we all cannot live in AZ, FL or CA or can we.

Harry put the paper on the porches or they will not fine it. When are you going to FL? Calling for showers but 70s or Wed.

Ross

Feb. 5, 2010
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
Diehard, I know they will not change the date but I can still hope one day maybe the next contract they (SSUSA) will think about it.
Feb. 5, 2010
Dbax
Men's 60
1279 posts
Guys, having it in the winter is the great thing about it. It gives you all a chance to get out of that weather for a while. Don't worry, you'll make it. :)
Feb. 5, 2010
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
I vote for late July in South Carolina
Feb. 5, 2010
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
No doubt we'll make it! And you are right, it gives us a chance to go somewhere warm in the winter. This time of the year just getting outside to play some ball will be great. And #45, they're not going to change it!
Feb. 5, 2010
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
And Joe,

Late July in Myrtle Beach,S.C., would be a great place to have a tournament. You have Golf, the beach, softball and plenty of nightlife and fine restaurants to occupy yourself over the course of several days.
Feb. 6, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
683 posts
Ross, We are leaving out of Dulles at 130pm on Tuesday. I am hoping we get out before the crap hits.

Greg, There are some things a man has to do for him self and one is deliver papers.

Dave, I have started the house hunting in Florida about a year ago. It can never be to hot. You never get 2feet of snow when it is 90 degrees. Harry
Feb. 6, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
Harry,
I just finished shoveling 8 inches of snow from my driveway. Good luck with your house hunt! The golf season lasts longer there, too. See you next week, Mel
Feb. 6, 2010
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
Some place warm and centrally located in November sounds sensible. I wonder what a tournament in New Orleans would do for turn out and pumping some $$$ into that community. That's the least we could do after their disappointing loss in the Superbowl. GO COLTS
Feb. 6, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
New Orleans? Are you nuts? Have you taken a look at Californias economy? =(
Plus we (usually) have great weather in November. Balmy 70's, sunny skies, plenty of pristine fields, great golf, Mts, oceans, traffic too, etc.
If you get homesick you can see the snow on the mountains in the distance.
Always a Rams Fan!
Feb. 6, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
683 posts
Still snowing in Va. and Greg this is for you. Terri is shoveling. She does not want me to hurt my shoulder before The TOC. What a woman.Snowed so much this morning the police asked me to leave the flight line at Dulles when I was delivering the papers. I get to do it all over again tonight. Tuesday cannot get here fast enough. Thanks Harry #20
Feb. 6, 2010
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
E4/E6 yeah I'm nuts.......what's that got to do with it.....HOW FAR WOULD YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL????(Huntington Beach?) Plenty to do in Nawlens and you might see some east coast comp for a change........hmmm. Maybe that's your objecton.
Feb. 6, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
It would be nice to play some different competition without going to their venue. Maybe SSUSA or SPA (heaven forbid!) should look at the economy, traveling expense, and poll teams from across the country to find a "central" location and encourage teams from across the country to attend.
Feb. 6, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
Harry,
I forgot to mention that my wife doesn't shovel and hasn't been to a ballpark in years. She's looking forward to a "long weekend" in FL during The TOC. Stay safe, Mel
Feb. 6, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
683 posts
Mel, She is not the only one looking forward to Fla. We leave on Tuesday and come back Sunday night. I cannot wait.I am hoping to come by the fields where your 60s team is playing to see Jim. I will meet you then. Thanks Harry
Feb. 6, 2010
SSUSA Staff
1264 posts
The 2010 TOC shatters the event record for attendance with 113 teams entered. They come from 28 States and two Canadian provinces. The most represented states are Florida (18 teams), Illinois and California (12 teams each). All regions of the country are very well represented.
Feb. 6, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Corky, dont forget to throw in a nice mugging while in New Orleans. I understand they now have those on all the local tours.
I suppose the same could be said of the East teams coming West. We were lucky to play a couple of East coast teams at the worlds this past year.
I see staff has an interest stat posted. Funny I dont see anything about East coast, South Eas, but thats about it. Hmmm go figure. =)

Feb. 6, 2010
andy25
Men's 50
17 posts
SSUSA Staff,
Thanks for the stats. That's a great turn out, looking forward to playing and taking a break from the northeast winter weather. I know two teams from NJ are planning on playing if the weather will cooperate and let us out of here. Looking forward to seeing everyone on Wednesday.
Andy
Sweet Construction # 25
Feb. 6, 2010
SSUSA Staff
1264 posts
Here's the full national break-down of the 113 'Teams by State/Province' for the 2010 TOC -

Number
18 - FL
12 - CA & IL
8 - TX
6 - MI
5 - NJ & NY
4 - CO & MD
3 - AZ, GA, IN, MA, PA & WI
2 - KY, MN, MO, NC, NV & VA
1 - BC, DE, NM, OH, ON, OR, RI, UT & WA
Feb. 6, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
683 posts
It will be nice to play some different teams this coming weekend. The Northern VA Force team is looking forward to this week. Hopefully the weather will co-operate. I sure hope we do not bring the nasty weather with us. It is still snowing. It has been snowing for over 24 hours straight.I am sure that this is Obama's fault. Thanks Harry #20
Feb. 7, 2010
warren60
Men's 60
43 posts
Birdie, Is Skip Hendrix with your Va team for the TOC?
Feb. 7, 2010
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
E4/E6: Must be your so.cal new math. The "All regions of the country are very well represented" statement by SSUSA lacks the numbers to back it up. The #'s make my point. Majority of teams are from warm weather states that play all yr round. 30teams alone from fl,cal,& Tx. 3 teams from midwest and east coast. BTW Don't wear a flowered shirt, khaki shorts and a camera around your neck and you'll be fine. LOL just kiddin.
Feb. 7, 2010
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
And the economy issue. I guess Arnold is almost as bad as Katrina.
Feb. 7, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
683 posts
Warren, I played with Skip on the VA Cavilers 60 team. He is not on the NV Force 55s. Thanks Harry
Feb. 7, 2010
kbl
Men's 60
529 posts
corky, i dont post here too much, but check out all represented states in the TOC. maybe i might need a lesson in math and geography, but it comes to almost 50% each cold and warm states.
thanks, ken
Feb. 7, 2010
SSUSA Staff
1264 posts
kbl - Nice math skills! Here's an analysis of the TOC entries a little more specifically, based on the weather since February 1, 2010,. We would likely categorize the teams as traveling from warmer or cooler climates as:

WARM(ER) STATES - 56 Teams - 49.6%
FL (18), CA (12), TX (8), AZ (3), GA (3), KY (2), MO (2), NC (2), NV (2), NM (1), OR (1), UT (1) & WA (1) The OR and WA teams might debate their warm-state designation!

COLD(ER) STATES & CANADA - 57 Teams - 50.4%
IL (12), MI (6), NJ (5), NY (5), CO (4), MD (4), IN (3), MA (3), PA (3), WI (3), MN (2), VA (2), BC (1), DE (1), OH (1), ON (1) & RI (1)

Feb. 7, 2010
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
just because we come from a colder state does we will not go to TOC BUT it is alot harder to get ready. How many teams from warmer states have played any games this year. I think teams from FL, CA, AZ, and other warmer states have played a few games since December. Most colder states played 0 games.

Sorry SSUSA Staff but that is how I myself see it but if there is a game we will be there.
Feb. 7, 2010
4Four4
Men's 60
83 posts
Hope you boys from the Middle Atlantic Conference all make it out OK. Way up here in Northwestern NY we're ready to play the TOC - but I guess we don't get as much snow as you anymore...
DH #4
Feb. 7, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
683 posts
My turn to whine, The NV Force is down to 11 players our latest has a dislocated finger that he suffered at an INDOORS hitting place.God I hate the winter. On the bright side the line up will turn over quicker. I Still cannot wait. Harry #20
Feb. 7, 2010
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
Harry I feel or pain, we lost our SS, he plows snow (more coming Tue) for his propertes. 3B lost to shoulder surgery. I cannot wait to get out of the cold and snow. See you Wed. Ross
Feb. 7, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
SSUSA Staff,
The climate includes much more than the weather since Feb. 1, 2010. I'll bet Kentucky, Oregon, and Washington don't consider themselves "warm weather" states. Looking forward to next week. Mel
Feb. 7, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Staff, I think someone needs to re-evaluate what cold weather states are.
If you cant comfortably wear shorts in the early spring and early fall, you may not live in a warm weather state.
Or if you get more then a dusting of snow you may not live in a warm weather state.
Looks like there are only 2 warm weather states. Fl and Ca.
(Just for the record, many residents of the great state of NORTHERN CALIFORNIA rarily recognize their better southern half)
Corky, as bad as Katrina was and is, Arnold isnt done yet. =( Our economy may never recover. =((
Feb. 8, 2010
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
Seems we've touched a nerve with the Staff. I think they've responded to this thread a little more than usual. The original argument was to move the TOC closer to the end of the regular season and to a central location. I still stand by the idea. As it stands it gives warm weather teams an advantage, because they play through the winter months, and then you ask the guys that haven't picked up a glove or bat in a few months to travel to their home parks. #45inMd has a valid point.
Feb. 8, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
683 posts
Ross, Hope your flight leaves early enough on Tuesday.Dulles has already started to cancel flights for Wed. Southwest, I think has cancelled all their flights for Wed. I heard 10 to 20 more inches possible. I did not sign up for this. Thanks Harry
Feb. 8, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
I seem to recall someone, may have been Staff, gave a winning percentage for the last TOC, something like 52% won by East Coast/cold weather teams.
Good luck to everyone able to get to Florida. Condolences to those who get left on the tarmac!
Feb. 8, 2010
Pieman
Men's 50
84 posts
To me it's not whether us East Coast teams can compete, it is trying to get there, holding our teams together and where and when we can practice.

I still say the TOC should be the last tournament of 2009 and only have one Winter National or Winter Worlds which can begin the new season with new players. Hold the TOC on one of the sites reserved for the Winter Nationals or Winter Worlds. Wait a couple of weeks and the run the Winter Worlds or Nationals.

Come back in February with another big tournament and teams can decide if they want to go. In fact that is when you can have the Winter Nationals, in the Winter and not the Fall.

Mike Santo
Sweet Conctruction 55
Feb. 8, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
683 posts
Mike, We are down to 11 players an one of them just had his flight cancelled on Wed. We have 4 guys driving and 2 flying on Wed which I am sure their flights will be cancelled. The other two are supposed to leave on Thursday but one never knows. I hope that they do not give up and even if they make it in on Friday. We may forfeit Friday's games but at least try and play Sat. and hopefully Sunday. Thanks Harry #20 NV FORCE
Feb. 8, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
I agree, the TOC should be the last event of the year. AND,
There is no doubt the cold weather states can compete with anyone anywhere.
My point is that 50+ percent of the Championships were won by cold weather teams. Which would indicate they some how manage to maintain their playing condition.
For all practical purposes there are only two (2) truly warm states, Florida & California. It can be argued that Tx, Az and Nv are also, but I have seen it snow in everyone of those states with below freezing temps.
I dont live in a snow prone state so I dont know if this year is producing an abnormal amount of snow or is this the norm?
Birdie you guys have the spirit, good luck at the TOC!!

Feb. 8, 2010
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
Well it seems most think the TOC should be moved but SSUSA say that will not happen because of contracts but contracts can and have been changed.

Harry and Mike,
Our numbers keep going down also. Maybe between NV FORCE and SWEET CONCTRUCTION and HIGH STREET BUCS we can have enough for at least one team.LOL

Changed flight and still hope I can get out.

SSUSA please HELP us out and move the TOC in the future. Take a poll LOL

Feb. 8, 2010
Stoney
Men's 50
37 posts
Missouri a warmer state?...wow we only have 6" of snow today so far and high on tuesday of 10*..I guess i need to be in the northeast to see what a cold state really would be like.
Feb. 8, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
683 posts
Ross, it looks like you are correct. I have a flight out of Dulles at 115 and it looks like it is cancelled. I am trying to get on the 805AM flight but i am not having any luck. it is a one hour wait on the phone and the web site sucks. Good possibility that the Force is not going to make it, unless we drive. Oh what a shame that would be. I was looking forward to the all star game maybe Mr. Manassas can take my place Thanks Harry
Feb. 9, 2010
Pieman
Men's 50
84 posts
I am driving from NC this morning. One of my team mates is driving from NJ this morning.

Too bad, we wait all this time and the weather sucks. Not going to be much better on Friday 53 degrees with showers.

Oh well, hope we have a team for Friday.

Mike
Feb. 9, 2010
Paco13
373 posts
I know the rules...but hey I can be there Friday morning. Don't ask don't tell. Just send me a ticket. LMBO.
Feb. 9, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
Eastcoasters, I hope you are all able to make it to The TOC, but your safety is more important. There's more softball to be played and maybe we'll get to play it in a "warm weather state." :>)
Feb. 9, 2010
Mike3b
16 posts
#45inMd Ross I have a couple of questions to ask you, can you give me your e-mail address. Thanks
Feb. 9, 2010
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
The Staff can throw out numbers of teams "qualified" and it may sound good...........BUT.......Of those teams qualified, how many ACTUALLY make it to the tournament. It's not who wins either it's how many physically make it to the tournament...Our team has had more than a couple bids and haven't made 1........for all the reasons you've read in the above posts.
Feb. 9, 2010
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
Mike, already at the TOC and do not have laptop. call me at 410-615-8315 (my cell)

Mike Pieman if you make call me and we can hit at Auburndale at 3:30 on Wed.

paco13 you are to young for us.

Looks like most can not get out of Baltimore I think we have 2 here so far THIS SUCKS!!!
Feb. 9, 2010
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
ALL wecome to hit at Auburndale on Wed at 3:30 this might be all some can do if missing to many players Maybe we can make a new team to play? SSUSA HELP US OUT!!!
Feb. 9, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
683 posts
Ross, I got here. caught the last southwest out of dulles. I will be there at 330 wed. We have some guys driving down because their flights were cancelled. We are going to be close to ten. God bless the guys who stepped up and drove rather than just say forget it, when their flights were cancelled. Maybe since we border each other we can combine and you border New Jersey we can combine with them. On a new computer cannot find spell check. If anything is spelled wrong sorry. Thanks Harry (703) 863-0519
Feb. 9, 2010
#45inMd
Men's 60
108 posts
Harry, Glad you made down. Hope SSUSA staff will do something for us. I'll call you in the morning. Thanks Ross HSBs 1 of 2 players that is here so far
Feb. 10, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
It's 7:15 AM and I just finished shoveling 4 more inches of blowing snow out of my driveway (couldn't find Harry's girlfriend :>)). Now it's off to the airport. WOW!
Feb. 10, 2010
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
Good luck Lemons: I hope all the hitting instructions I gave your team pays off :) Tell Doug and the boys to get home....I miss our pick up Basketball games on Mon & Fri's. I hope we'll still hit indoors on Wed's when you guys get back in town. My wife retired and I gotta get out of the house a little more.
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