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| July 13 hitman Men's 70 339 posts | What's the Call UMPS???????? Senior league game last night using the V shaped matt tucked around the plate. Ball is popped up and spins back toward the plate coming to rest on the plate. Now that is a fair ball. But what if it bumped the matt behind the plate and that caused it to rebound or stop on the plate. Technically the mat is in foul ground. What is the correct call? And yes if the matt was lower than the plate it could have rolled off, but the mat was slightly higher. Is it up to UMPS judgement to determine if it would have stopped? |
| July 13 SSUSA Staff 3505 posts | r Correct call is still "fair ball". This isn't really much (if any) different than a dribbler down the foul line that might otherwise go foul except for the chalk line is a bit thick and nudges the ball back into fair territory. Fair ball there too. The only possible umpire fair/foul judgment (in either case) was whether or not the ball came to a rest (or was played) while in fair territory. The umpire shouldn't be making any judgment on a 'what if' scenario. However, if you really want to see a good old fashioned "rhubarb", wait until a batted ball like that one comes to rest on top of a rectangular strike mat covering the plate! There is one certainty there: The umpire's approval rating on the call is guaranteed to be exactly 50%, no more and no less! |
| July 14 hitman Men's 70 339 posts | r Thanks SSUSA Staff. That's exactly the way it was called and I can now confirm that it was correctly called. The Hitman |
| July 14 stick8 1992 posts | r Fair ball. In your scenario it depends on where the ball stops. If the catcher happened to touch it in fair territory it's a fair ball. |
| July 15 Corky Men's 55 451 posts | r Fair ball.....but my team would be in the catchers butt for not catching the pop up.(if it was high enough)....and he's be buying the first round. |
| July 15 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | r Corky, there is a reason he is the catcher. |
| July 17 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | r Corky-on high infield popups-we have a couple pitchers that just cannot move much-injuries-and last year we were saying an infield popup had a 50% chance of falling in!!!!! lol :-) We'd have been in good shape on beer for the entire year. |
| July 18 Corky Men's 55 451 posts | r Actually dirty a GOOD catcher is very valuable....he's the only player that see's the whole defensive alignment....If he watches the hitters they usually, when walking to the plate look in the direction they would like to hit....They can also watch how a batter sets up and tell the defense whether he's liable to push it or pull it.....and remember where each hitter hit on previous at bats....He can get the ball back to the pitcher chest high so he doesn't have to exert more energy than he needs..........A good natured catcher can work an ump and just maybe get a call here or there. Don't underestimate the importance of every position on a team. |
| July 18 Corky Men's 55 451 posts | r Webbie: I guess my buddy John is buyin a lot of brew.......Congrats on your win in Reno and Johnny for his "All Tournament" selection..... |
| July 19 DoubleL10 Men's 70 907 posts | r Corky, I used to catch on occasion when I played with the young guys and I was in my 50s. I actually enjoyed the position for exactly the reasons you mention. I analyzed each hitter and, if I did not already know them and how they hit, try to get our pitchers to pitch them based on stance, where they were looking, etc. It's actually a fun position! |
| July 19 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | r Corky, I will agree with that but most everything you described are intangibles. Truthfully, if he was physically that good he would probably be at another spot on the field. But yes, he can add a lot in the ways you described. Those just aren't really physical ways though. Catching a pop up is physical, not mental. |
| July 19 Corky Men's 55 451 posts | r A lot of the games are determined by mental errors...so it's a big part of the game as well.....what most catchers lack as position players they usually make up for with hitting and this is a hitters game.....backing up throws and being a field general is valuable. good luck with the rest of your year. Thought I might get to meet you in Columbus this past weekend. |
| July 19 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | r I didn't realize you were there. We were on fields 5, 12, and 13, I believe. Will you be in Shelbyville next month? |
| July 19 Corky Men's 55 451 posts | r Yes...We'll be in Shelbyville......We were on diamonds 1,3,4.......I'll be with the Brickyard Legends #44. By the way we won the 55AAA and our "baby" Brickyard won the 50's. Good tourney and good competition. |
| July 20 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | r Corky-John is recovering from a minor knee surgery, but man-he was one of the few pitchers could throw strikes consistently in the wind in Reno and he hit well, too. Thx for kudos-sure caught us by surprise to win it. |
