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Discussion: 2011 ratings

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Sept. 16, 2010
rabbit
Men's 65
296 posts
2011 ratings
I am asking this question today, just to make sure I have the answer correct, some of my players are wanting to know for sure.
I know when you win a big tournement in pne of the 6 or 7 organizations, you will have to play up in the next highest division, We won the 60 AAA in the ISA this season, and we are planning to go to Ft.Myers in Nov. and it is listed as a 2011 roster tourney, Will the SSUSA make us play Major in this tourney or still can play AAA?, that is one question,and if we have to play in the Majors and this one reads a lot of ways ,if you play in a 60 Majors game,in Nov at Ft Myers can you still play 60 AAA or 60 AA next season on another team. They ask me to post this, to make sure .This rule is confusing at times. Thanks for any answers, Rabbit # 32, Job Central/Indy 60's
Sept. 16, 2010
rabbit
Men's 65
296 posts
There has to be someone out there that can answer this question? please help, Thanks, Rabbit

ps- would the staff answer this, since they police the board. Thanks
Sept. 16, 2010
rabbit
Men's 65
296 posts
Thanks to Dave Dowell for calling me at home and answering my question, the answer is if you won a major tourney,like SPA in Dalton, Isa , ASA, NSA with three or more teams,this year, you will be moved up and the new rating starts with the Ft.Myers winter nationals. and if you play one game in the major division,I would also imagine it for AAA also, you will hold that distinction for 2 years. Thanks again Dave for making it clear to me and some of my teammates. Rabbit, Job Central/Indy 60's formerly coach of the Indiana Classics 50's for 12 years
Sept. 17, 2010
Lefty
Men's 65
469 posts
Rabbit I'm glad you that you asked this question. See you around.
Sept. 17, 2010
DRob
34 posts
Thanks for running that info down Rabbit.

Now, let me take it a step further. If a player who will be 65 next year plays a game in Ft Myers with a 60 major team, will he be eligible to play with a 65 AAA team next year? This has implications for several guys who are moving up to 65 and probably also to any new players the 60 team may take to Ft Myers.
Sept. 17, 2010
rabbit
Men's 65
296 posts
DRob, that is a very good question, the rule book does not cover this one either,it says this.

A.player is playing in two age divisions. Example-one team is in 55+ and the other is in 60+ division AND

B. A player can only play on a team in the same skill level, or one skill level higher or lower, Example, a player in a 55 Major Division team cannot play on a 50 AA division team.

Major Plus player can only play on Major or Major Plus teams.

so this is what the rule say about playing down, it has no rule for playing up in age, unless i am not reading this one right.

Maybe Dave Dowell can answer this on also. it is a little confusing and I have been ask it several times also.

My self I think you would be ok, you are within one skill level, regardless of age anyone else with a opinion on this

Rabbit
Sept. 17, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
This is a question that needs answered. I had planned on playing with our 65AAA team in Ft. Myers and staying to play with our 60AAA team. Since Job Central/Indy 60's will apparently have to play Major, that changes my plans. Indy 60's may be losing several key players and having to move to Major where they will be meat. Some things just don't make sense. Thanks to all who may have an answer. Mel
Sept. 17, 2010
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2640 posts
Your question about players playing down has been asked in the past. If you are a Major player you can play AAA, not AA. No matter what age you are or what division you wish to play, you can drop only only one. For instance, you are 65 and play major plus, you can't drop to 50 and play AAA.
Sept. 17, 2010
rabbit
Men's 65
296 posts
Thanks Bruce, so you saying that lemons (Mel) can play 60 major and then play 65 AAA next season also? if I read you correctly.
Rabbit
Sept. 18, 2010
Lefty
Men's 65
469 posts
rabbit I don't believe he can move down in rating win you go up in age. If he plays on a 60 major team and wants to play up with another team at 65 he can only play major or major+. Now he can move down from 60 major to 55 AAA.
Sept. 18, 2010
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2640 posts
Rabbit, yes, that's the way I understand it.
Lefty, I've always been told that age has nothing to do with moving up or down.
Maybe staff can clear this up.
Sept. 18, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
I sure hope the staff can answer this for me. After a year and a half of hobbling around and getting my knee scoped, I was looking forward to playing a more meaningful role, but not with a decimated "major" team. Thanks, Mel
Sept. 18, 2010
Lefty
Men's 65
469 posts
Bruce maybe I read it wrong. I didn't think that Mel can play 60 major and at the same time play 65 AAA. I haven't tried that one yeath.
Sept. 18, 2010
kbl
Men's 60
528 posts
maybe this will help you guys a bit. i play 55AAA, 60AAA and 65AAA. not a big deal, but i am allowed. ken
Sept. 18, 2010
kbl
Men's 60
528 posts
maybe this will help you guys a bit. i play 55AAA, 60AAA and 65AAA. not a big deal, but i am allowed. ken
Sept. 18, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
Thanks Ken, however I'm interested in the difference between 60 Major and 65 AAA and the ramifications of playing major affecting my 65AAA choice. Mel
Sept. 18, 2010
kbl
Men's 60
528 posts
lemons--last year i played 55AAA and 60AA in qualifiers. ken
Sept. 18, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
kbl.....that helps! Thanks, Mel
Sept. 18, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Mel, Are you thinking that because of the win in Tenn. (ISA) you are going to be moved up. I believe that the tourney there was turned into a one pitch. I believe that it should not be regarded as a regular tourney. The rules were different. Harry
Sept. 18, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
Hi Harry, According to our coach, SSUSA told him that The Indy 60's
would be moved to major based on that win and would play The Winternational (first tournament of 2011) and the 2011 season as major. I guess I'll just play 65AAA if that is the case. I don't know what happens when they adjust the rules. Thanks, Mel
Sept. 18, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Mel, I do believe that in USSSA you can play 60 major and 65 AAA but I think that the other two organizations do not allow it. In the other two you have to play the same classification. Not sure but pretty sure. I could always read the rule book but there is vodka to drink and so little time. Thanks Harry
Sept. 18, 2010
lemons
Men's 65
302 posts
Harry, Have one for me! "We don't need no stinking rules." Regards, Mel
Sept. 19, 2010
curveball
Men's 65
400 posts
Hey rabbit, are you sure that was 3 or more teams at a World and you win, you get moved up???? I thought the number was 6 or more. 3 hardly seems enough to religate a move up! Not very representitive of the nations teams.
Sept. 19, 2010
rabbit
Men's 65
296 posts
Hi Curveball, it is 5 or less you have to move up for three tourneys and then you can try to get rerated, if you have 6 or more, you have to stya for a whole year before you can apply for a a rerating, regardless on how you do in the higher division.

I thought with three or less they didnt move you up, but I guess i was wrong ,when Dave Dowell called me he said three or more,so I guess they will move you up,This is all i know about it right or wrong i dont know for sure now.

Rabbit
Sept. 20, 2010
curveball
Men's 65
400 posts
A 3 team bracket and the winner gets moved up! Anyone else hear that fact? Hey Dave, is this correct? Thanks in advance..............
Sept. 20, 2010
Brett
Men's 55
239 posts
If someone is deemed to be an 'impact' player and attempts to play down one division (example - major down to AAA) the entire AAA team can be made to play major because of that one person. It has happened in the past.
Sept. 21, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
This doesn't have to do with my team, but the "Texas Pickups" are a new team this year ran by Larry Parrack. They have been forced to play AAA since they are new........We have played them and seen them play in several tournaments we attended.
They have been beaten solidly in all or most.............some of these players including Larry are good friends of mine and its hard to believe they were denied to move down to AA......there has to be a change in the rating system !
Sept. 21, 2010
LP
281 posts
i know as a new team we start out rated AAA and we have struggled in most of the tournaments. austin lone stars a AA team has beatedn us often and run ruled us once. san antonino mission classics got moved from AAA to AA and they have whipped us every game. and the phoenix roster that SSUSA has on us hs alot of our players rated major that arent and one player rated major on a team he has never heard on, so yes i see a flaw in the system . i'm told there is no chance for us to get rerated . so i guess we go donate our money in phoenix in the AAA division and get a letter in the mail like we did for our 55 aaa that they wouldnt move down that say because of your poor performance we are now dropping you down AA just then as now it will be to late .
Sept. 21, 2010
JBTexas
Men's 60
260 posts
I hate to agree with #6, but both he and Larry are right there is no way that the texas pick-up team is AAA. Anyone who has seen this hard working team try to play at the AAA levels has to feel for them. Keith P. or Larry K. please come to the aid of this team, this is truly a AA team. They will get killed in Phoenix and may end up disbanding because of it.
Sept. 21, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
JBTexas,
What do you mean, you hate to agree with me >
Sept. 21, 2010
JBTexas
Men's 60
260 posts
I think it is a Austin and San Antonio thing/LOL
Sept. 21, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
LP,
You should talk to the team.......

Lets see:

entry fee : $660.00
air fare: $350 each player x 12= $4200.00
motel rooms : host $69.99 a night 4
nights = $300 x 6 rooms , maybe $1800.00
rental car : $30 x 4 days $120.00 x maybe 6 =$720.00

I don't count food and beer, as we would do that here.

$7380..and we know it will be more than this. alot of money to get the s_ _ _ beat out of you, stay in Rocrport and lets go fishing....only beer and bait.
Something has to cahnge SSUSA !!!!!
Sept. 22, 2010
Capt Kirk
405 posts
Kenny, it is only money and you can't take it with you. I know the ROI just doesn't add up, but it is the love up game that motivates me. If you heart says GO to Phoenix, Go. Our team went to Phoenix for the first time in 2008, we had a great time and didn't win any tournament games. Kenny, I would suggest that you take the beer expense more seriously. I do agree the rating system needs an overhaul, KP has a lot of influence on team ratings.
Sept. 22, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
If I could keep you and ED ( The Spurs) out of my damn beer, it would go further !
Are you going to Pasadena and Victoria next month ?
Sept. 22, 2010
LP
281 posts
JB dont be to hard on #6 hes right every great once in awhile. yes #6 it is alot of money but we are going anyway, just get the ems ready for us, and we have already had to players quit since we have to play AAA they maybe the only ones with any since, but i supose the tournament needs weak teams like ours in this division so the stronger teams will feel better about themselves ha ha.
Sept. 22, 2010
LP
281 posts
#6 whats happening in victoria and pasadena
Sept. 22, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
LP,
Good luck Buddy and I hope you surprise some teams, be careful and have a safe trip. Are ya'll playing Pasadena or Victoria in October ?
Sept. 22, 2010
DRob
34 posts
JBTexas........I feel for a misrated team. Sad as it is, they won't be the first to disband due to ratings and most likely not the last either. I'm watching it happen right now to a team who has gone from AA to Major with no roster changes! Two years ago, the team won the rain-shortened SSUSA Northern Nationals in 60AA. It was the first time that team won a national tournament, ever. They also won a SPA qualifier in Shelbyville, IN. They were taken to the "if game" in the 60 Silver Division by a team that is still AA right now. Last year they got moved to AAA in the middle of the SPA circus in Dalton. This year they won the Gallatin ISA World (or whatever it was)in 60 AAA. It was a 5 team bracket that was played for the most part as 5 innings/1 pitch games due to rain. Might as well have flipped a coin. Now, the word is the team will be moved to Major. Ain't happenin' because, near as I can tell, the team won't exist next year. Three of them are moving up to 65 and are not about to jeopardize next year by playing Major in Ft. Myers and 5-6 other players are moving on because there's simply no future for the team in Major competition. I repeat, the team has had the identical roster for the last two years while apparently being moved from AA to Major.
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