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Dec. 30, 2010
Pinky
13 posts
Dear Dirty
Dear Dirty Gary 19 Most of the people who have been reading or posting on this board for the last few years know you just HATE 1. senior bats 2. the mat 3. courtesy runners 4.the 2nd home plate 5.senior bats 6.the 5 run rule 7.time limits 8.home run limits and last but not least 9.senior bats. We know this because when you give us your 2 cents worth------YOU GIVE US 5 DOLLARS!!! So why won't you please, please, PLEASE go play with the young kids??? Most of the people on this board play in SENIOR tournaments with SENIOR rules and we just have a helluva good time!!! I (and some of my friends) wish you would join Einstein and Gary C. on the sidelines. With love Ed
Dec. 30, 2010
db14
91 posts
Hey Pinky....GREAT POST. They got rid of only two of the three stooges!!!! Anyone ie: Dirty/Gary 19 who has to post his personal measurements and spew bile regarding his so called education certainly has issues.....many issues. He is entitled to his opinion but give it a rest.... I'm sure he hates to read this on a computer via the internet......which is someone else's R&D and technology...but i guess he manipulates progress, advancement and technology to meet his own agendas. Your a absolutely correct the Senior game is alive and well as is.
Dec. 31, 2010
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Hey guys, help me out a second here. Who is forcing you to read anything I post?

Alive and well? With numerous 5 or 6 team tournament brackets? And often the same 5 or 6 teams you play everywhere else you go? If you consider that alive and well, more power to you I guess.

Keep enjoying your new found power. Though more than likely the only thing you did to earn it is make the money to buy someone else's bats.

Rinaldi might have had a point. When I don't know who you are, it does make your comments significantly less credible. Keep shooting from out of the shadows boys.
Dec. 31, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Well he uses them dang Sr bats. At least her is open now with his info as location and name, that is a plus.
Stay safe tonight guys. Happy New Year.
Dec. 31, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
At least He is open with now with,info.... sorry Gary.
Dec. 31, 2010
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
No problem Scott. I have always been open about who I am and where I live.
Dec. 31, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Don't think so, from your old monikers and all. OH portion, yes, This year, yes. Welcome to the 2-3 teams @ events in some cases as you know..lol
Dec. 31, 2010
Tater50
336 posts
I know some of the same teams show up @ each tourney; but its the same in SSB League play; you see the same guys every year for years; but you still play!!

Everybody has to have an outlet; a way to release the adrenaline; SSB is the way for us; so, I say, we're not getting any older; jump in & do not let the SSB waters become stagnant.

I'd rather play SSB for 20 years or more & see the same teams all the time; than to wait until the day that I could not play & say: Dang! Wish I'd of participated!!!!

You won't get old & decrepit because you play SSB; exercise has proven to help everyone of ALL ages; but you sure will become old & decrepit if you don't!!!!

Tater50
Everybody jump in & play whether you like the rules or not; tweek them as you go.
Dec. 31, 2010
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Scott, those were done out of necessity, but I believe even then I had my name on city in my profile.

Even then, people would toss my name out in posts all the time. I could not have cared less.

Tater, that is true about leagues, but I don't pay hundreds of dollars to travel who knows where for league games. For all of that I would not mind some variety when I am out of town. At some point for me I have to get some bang for my buck. We will have 2 kids in undergrad and 1 in med school next year so I need to get some value for my dollars.
Dec. 31, 2010
Tater50
336 posts
Now Gary: that brings more info to the scene; I now understand what you are indicating. I understand the monetary situation; the priorities of course are those children & their education!!

I now understand!! You have your priorities right!!

Tater50
Dec. 31, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
I won't go into that here... But will email you later this day.
Dec. 31, 2010
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
John, we try. :) I still get to play all I want, just make sure we are spending wisely.

Scott, I will look for it later today.
Dec. 31, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3939 posts
see 19,in theory yeah,but with the limited amount of senior teams scattered around the country be thankful you can have a 5-6 team same age and div brackets.almost impossible to do and not see the same teams all the time.in texas here we have 6-10 60's teams and we are 950 miles from one end of the state to the other.the only time we see all of each other is for the texas states tourney,and then not all can make it.
Dec. 31, 2010
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
Attendance is no doubt down in most tournaments across the country. It's not because of what a very few believe to be the bat/ball combo.
If you think so, then you haven't played any USSSA or ASA the past few years where dumbed down bat/ball combo's are the norm. Attendance at these tournaments is worse. These two organizations offer a very limited Senior program at best.
The Senior game is doing just fine. Lots of chatter about rules. Most of these rules are good and some are better. These rules just need some tweaking for improvement.
There will always be those who try to circumvent the rules for their benefit, which is why they need to be continually looked at to benefit the entire Seior community.
Dec. 31, 2010
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
It is interesting how so many seem to against 'dumbing down' bats and balls, but are perfectly content if not happy to see so much of the rest of the game dumbed-down. Second home plates, run limits, time limits, bogus courtesy runners (NOT if one is needed, but when a faster runner is used for a perfectly healthy guy just because the fat/lazy/slow guy doesn't want to run), pitcher's boxes, and pitchers looking like hockey goalies are certainly forms of dumbing down that so many seem to accept.

Dec. 31, 2010
Pinky
13 posts
Dirty Gary 19 doesn't like our game.Why don't you play something else? Tennis and bowling are ball sports too.
Dec. 31, 2010
curveball
Men's 65
400 posts
Nice try Pinky, but he's not going anywhere. Berating the game we play as "silly" is his way of garnering attention. He doesn't command any attention on the field, but does here for sure with his "silly" rants.
We have all played with a guy or 2 that have the "little big man syndrome", I feel this is another one of those examples.
It is so much more enjoyable to surround yourself with positive people, he doesn't fit that criteria at all.
His attitude won't be changed by this board, he enjoys his position on here too much. I don't think his main goal is to win friends on here...............once again, nice try Pinky.
Dec. 31, 2010
Tater50
336 posts
There may be alot of things I do not like, but that is not going to stop me from playing. I won't be around forever!!!

Tater50

Tweek it as we go
Dec. 31, 2010
southpaw
Men's 60
733 posts
Tater, are you playing with a tourney team this year?
Dec. 31, 2010
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Dear Anonymous Pinky,

"our game". Where is your deed to the property?

curveball, never called the game 'silly', but if the senior rules were that good of an idea they would all be used by the younger guys. Care to tell me why old guys need run limits and pitcher's boxes when the kids don't use them?
Dec. 31, 2010
Tater50
336 posts
Gary: jump in & play, man!! Have fun; enjoy!!! Life is too short; the majority has spoken; maybe there are things that aren't as they were, but don't worry, keep playing!!

Tater50
Dec. 31, 2010
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
I do, about 130 games a year, not bad for a northern boy. :)

I would just like to try and make sure the game does not get any further away from us than it has. At this point, that's all.
Jan. 1, 2011
curveball
Men's 65
400 posts
Just to catch you up on the kids games, they are using the box for pitchers in a lot of locations, Big League Dreams for one. Some kids are using masks at both pitching and infield positions. If you hit a ball thru the pitchers box(which is bigger than senior softballs box)you are out! (silly kids rule!) The double 1st base bag is being used almost everywhere for saftey, 2nd home plates at lots of venues also. Seeing the same thing in youth and womens also. I guess others are considering saftey of the players, even without "special" bats.
As far as the run rule, kids venues have a different approach, they have a 1 hour time limit per game, no need to limit runs, it will police itself.
You can't compare 50's or 60's ball with todays game. You didn't have near as many seniors still competing at older ages. Money wasn't an issue. There wasn't a variety of associations promoting the game for us older guys, keeping us mentally and physically in better condition. Saftey was an afterthought. Just like other sports, progress happens. In senior softball, especially SSUSA, the associations have given us a great product and the majority of us love to play it. You learn to adjust to the changes of the game. There was a reason the changes were installed. The majority find the changes acceptable and continue to play the game they enjoy.
You've also said participation is down. We don't see that here. Our leagues numbers are up, tournaments are about the same in numbers as they have been, and the world tournament in Phoenix had a record number of teams(in a bad economy at that). Even our weekday senior league is up 25% this year alone.
When you played in the national championship tournament, how many teams attended? How does that number compare to todays?
Jan. 1, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1985 posts
Gary-I have another rule that I believe we need in Senior Softball for the safety of all. We need to all wear a "Life Alert" device in case we have trouble during a game at our advanced ages. "Help, I slid into third and I can't get up!!!!".

(I'm kidding)

Happy New Year
Jan. 1, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3939 posts
curveball,i have played in kids assoc where they have used a inning run rule(up in central cali area,we got 7).we have a middle rule for my kids league i play in,senior one doesn't have it,go figure.we used a line for a coed league i played in,instead of using home plate.i can get a courtesy runner for some of the kids tourneys i go to.trying to remember some of the other rules,but ya know how this sometimers works....LOL....
all this is in kids play not senior's and not in the same area,but different parts of the country.
Jan. 1, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
curveball, they might be, I just haven't seen any pitcher's boxes for the kids around here, or any pitcher protection rules.

Yes, some are wearing masks, because they are young, big, and strong. Not necessarily because they are allowed to use special bats. And I know there is shaving going on with the kids as well.

I have never seen a second plate for kids either, again not around here that I have watched or played.

Not sure I said 'down', but if I did it is more like low. Leagues seem to be just fine here too, but 5 and 6 team brackets with often many of the same teams is just not my idea of good participation.

Jan. 2, 2011
stick8
1306 posts
Gary19, USSSA brought in what they refer to as a pitchers plate two years ago. It's the same thing as what the senior pitching box is. For some reason however the pitching plate isn't allowed in conference touraments.
Jan. 2, 2011
The real deal
Men's 60
63 posts
Gary19, By the number of your posts an EVERY SUBJECT, it is very clear to the rest of us that you are very passionate about senior softball (and for the record, a lot of us happen to agree with you on these issues). But constantly defending and re-stating your position on every subject isn't necessary, and quite frankly, is a turn off. WE GET IT! Sometimes less is more...

A couple of other posters dominated every discussion with their rants, and they ended up losing the opportunity to voice their opinions. Not trying to be mean, just honest.
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