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Discussion: Don't Forget What It's All About

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Aug. 11, 2011
gary c
411 posts
Don't Forget What It's All About
When I got back into baseball at 40 I was just happy to be playing again and so were most of the guys I played with. Then guys started to play like it was life and death and it stopped being fun.
The last straw came when we played a 45 and over.team in the Senior World Series and found out after they beat us that they had four players including the pitcher that were in their thirty's.
Then after a few years my friend asked me to play senior softball and I had the same feeling when I started playing
just lucky to be playing again. Now I read about guys altering bats what the hell is that about.
Play by the rules and remember how lucky we are to still be out there.
The truth is unless you get paid YOUR NOT THAT GOOD it's all just for fun.
Aug. 11, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
We are of the best athletes to ever play
this game in any era at any time.
Altered bats are in the eye of the beholder.
And lots of us got paid and
still get paid to play.
The game is whatever it means to us,
whatever we want and need it to mean
and not what anyone tells us it should mean.

Some guys are getting the chance
for recognition they never got before.
Some guys are late bloomers and now understand the game and compete better than they ever did.
Some guys play to stay in shape.
Some guys play to get away from their troubles.
Some guys play to get away from the normal
unexciting lives et cetera, et cetera.
Some guys play because the chance of winning
and true greatness is still possible
even though we're older.






Aug. 11, 2011
gary c
411 posts
When were you in the big leagues?
Who pays you?
If you are better now then when you were young you must not have been very good.
If this is life and death then you have a sad sad life.
If you only play by the rules you like then you are a low life cheater.
Grow up this senior softball.
Aug. 11, 2011
gary c
411 posts
Where have more big league player's come from Frisco or LA?
Aug. 11, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Thanks again, Gary.
Aug. 11, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
garyc,he is just a hypocritical sort.just look at his play defense only thread,how can ya have fun that way,when he says the only way to have fun is to be able to hit a ball hard,with pace and long,doesn't sound like defense fits in that scheme.
Aug. 11, 2011
gary c
411 posts
You still didn't tell us when you were in the big leagues and who paid you.
Then again if you cheat then of course you lie.
Aug. 11, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
What wins championships, guys?
Defense.
Check the record.
I've said a number of times
that I'd just pitch
in national major plus tournaments
and not hit.
It's demanding, important and that much fun.
Keep up the good work, fellas.
I couldn't pay for better PR.
Aug. 12, 2011
gary c
411 posts
You never answer questions
You still didn't tell us when you were in the big leagues and who paid you.
Then again if you cheat then of course you lie
Aug. 12, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
he hasn't garyc,its the reason he CAN'T tell you who,not won't.


oh by the way whiney,don't ya have to be on a M+ team to play in a M+ tourney.....
Aug. 12, 2011
perly
88 posts
It's a shame Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Roger Clemens and others, who really are some of the greatest players ever, probably will never get into Baseballs Hall of Fame because of steroids. These guys made millions, were idols to us and our kids and now they are precieved as cheaters. What do their actions tell the children that watch them? We have rules for a reason and those who think they are above the rules ruin things for everybody.

One guy hits a shaved bat and his performance improves. His buddies find the secret and they follow the leader. Other's find out about shaving bats and pretty soon we have an epidemic!!!!

Since everybody's doing it suddenly it's not cheating.

Just sayin
Aug. 12, 2011
dMON
21 posts
Perly,

What are you jumping in on this thread for?
Let's just let Gary C, mad dog and einstein duke it out. It could get interesting......
Aug. 12, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
perly you are so right,it is the reason i attempt to nip it in the bud.why let them get away with it,we all need to put our foot down and get it stopped,even you dMOM....if your not trying to stop them,then your helping them to become cheaters.
Aug. 12, 2011
perly
88 posts
dMON

It's always interesting when these guys go at it. Difference of opinions can get very volatile on this board.

I wish someday we could all meet face to face and see who we're sharing our thoughts with.


Aug. 12, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
perly would be glad to meet you,and dMON.will you be in dalton,ga in sept the weekend of the 16th.i'll be there with the dallas spurs 60AAA #77,oh you will need beer to talk to me tho..LOL.....
Aug. 12, 2011
perly
88 posts
mad dog

I'll actually be in Dalton the week beofre you guys.

I will be playing 60's next year so maybe we'll cross paths then.

Good luck in Dalton and watch out for my buddies, The Georgia/Alabama Masters.
Aug. 12, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
yeah have ran across them before,bunch of good guys.......
Aug. 12, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, Clemens and Pete Rose
should and will ALL be in the Hall of Fame
someday.
Looks what's happened with Clemens' case.
Oops, judge, sorry, made a mistake
and the case was thrown out before any witness
and testimony.

The steroid era was an era that should have been handled by baseball itself but some politicians
trying to make themselves look good to the public
pushed their way in.
Baseball used them, let them bring it back
from disgruntled public from the strike
and then couldn't protect them from glory
seeking politicians.

No one should have been prosecuted
and everyone told it's over
and it won't be tolerated anymore.

All those guys are baseball heroes
and deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.
Aug. 13, 2011
leftyfalcon
Men's 65
158 posts
Mad Dog if you met Perly you'd like right away. Great ball player and pretty big. I believe if you met Joe before you got on this message board you'd like him. Joe's not to small either. I get to see some of my Louisianna buddies next week end in Birmingham. Great bunch of guys. See you around and pass a good time.
Aug. 13, 2011
cyborg45
78 posts
There have always been different levels of steroid use. The stuff that Clemons allegedly used was always illegal. McGwire at the time (19980 took Andro, which you could buy at Wal-Mart. He even kept it on a shelve in his locker. That has since been labeled a banned substance, but it was totally legal at the time.
Aug. 13, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
I think when you support someone working for you
who basically saves your business
I think you owe him/them to support/protect them
within reason.
Senators got involved to get some free publicity
on TV and didn't let Selig/baseball handle it
as it should have been handled.
Singling out anyone for what they all were doing
was, is and will always be gutless and wrong
whether it's Bonds, Clemens, Sosa or McGuire.

And I still don't get how they can keep
Pete Rose out of the Hall of Fame.
He's stll the model you use
to show little leaguers the way to play the game.
Charlie Hustle.
Aug. 13, 2011
stick8
1272 posts
Einstein I agree with you about Pete Rose. Didn't he sign an agreement years ago that basically stated he didn't gamble on his own team with the agreement he couldn't be inducted into the hof? Or something similar to that?
Aug. 13, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
cyborg your right with McGuire per say,yes he did use andro but also got together with canseco for a shake or 2.....oh that andro was also avail in the military exchange,i tried it and didn't see the big deal about it,i was rehabbing from rotator cuff surgery.it was supposed to help you in recovery time and such.

as for the others,along with Mcguire,they cheated and don't deserve anything,to bad.to me putting them up there as someone to look up to,just says its ok to be a cheater,what kind of example is that for the kids growing up.

rose broke the rules also,he sign away his rights to anything,so to bad for him also......
Aug. 13, 2011
gary c
411 posts

Rose is a low life but his numbers are true. Sosa,Bonds, Mc Gwire and Clemons
would never have been the players they were without the drugs.
Aug. 13, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
i think it came out later that rose did bet on his own team,just not against them.
Aug. 14, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Pete Rose.
One of the greatest players, contributors to baseball and it's culture
at every level and Gary C calls him a low life.
Maddog/Gary C/ 52 core sock.
One for all and all for one.
Aug. 14, 2011
gary c
411 posts
That's right he is a low life didn't say anything about his numbers.
It's the person he is.
Aug. 14, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
The person he is in whose judgment?
Yours?
He was the quintessential competitor.
Keep talking Gary.
You're doing us all a favor.
Aug. 14, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
really,it is ok to break the rules set forth,figures a cheater would think this way.you are the one who keeps digging his hole deeper,not any of us.keep going cheater boy,the more you post the more our point is driven home,thank you for the help you give us..
Aug. 14, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Robert, sit down.
And don't get upset but
the guys who founded our country like
George Washington
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Jefferson, among others
broke the rules laid down by the government.
YOU would say they were cheaters, too.
Easy now, Robert.
Take a deep breath.
It's gonna be OK.

And Robert,
please comment on what some of the players
from Quicksilver and NorCal merchants I've talked with said that you used to make/hand out
dirty bats from the back of your vehicle.
Were they just rolled bats or
shaved/end loaded ones?
They even described to me what it looked like.
Were they mistaken or lying?
Please explain.

And how about trying to come up with some argument
that I didn't make first.
Copy cat, Robert.
That's grade school.
Aug. 14, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
the founding of a country vs a baseball player cheating and breaking the rules,that is a real stretch even for you joey boy,please child.



oh you can say what ever you want about me,as i have never handed out anything to anyone,so tell me who these accusers are please...........and let them tell me to my face...........
Aug. 14, 2011
gary c
411 posts
Joey Pepperoni
He lied and said he didn't bet on baseball then he admitted he did.
I know lying is no big thing to you but to some it tells us what kind of moral character
a person has.
He would change his starting rotation so his best pitchers would pitch when he had a bet on a game.
He cheated the fans that cared so much about him just to make a buck.
LOW LIFE
By the way he was the greatest singles hitter not the greatest hitter in the game.
Average on defense no arm and no power Joey how could you like a guy who has no power.
Aug. 14, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Robert and Gary C.
Just keep on talking.

Robert, that is a denial that sounds believable
that you never handed out any dirty bats, per se.
Did you make them or modify them in your vehicle?
Is that what they were referring to?
And were they rolled, weight changed or shaved?
It's OK to admit it Robert for that was a long time ago.
You could always say you learned your lesson but remember what YOU, yourself have often said,
i.e. once a cheater...

Lively bats and balls forever.
Aug. 14, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
well joey boy you are calling the guys on those two teams cheaters is that what your saying,sounds like it to me,cheater boy.so keep on trying to beseech someones character,maybe you should look at yourself first.i have never sold anyone a bad bat,so please show me where i have.please child as that is your mentality,a child's.
Aug. 14, 2011
gary c
411 posts
Pepperoni Joe
You are the one who says rolling is OK when it's against the rules, You condone cheating that's why you like people like Big Head Bonds the storid king and Pete the low life.
Takes one to root for one
Aug. 14, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Thanks again, guys.
Sad Dog and Gary C and that 52 core sock.
Joined at the hips.
Keep up the good work.
Aug. 15, 2011
gary c
411 posts
Pepperoni your full of baloney
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