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April 6, 2012
Capt Kirk
402 posts
Recommendations & Cures
After playing 7 or 8 games in two (2) days, doing a lot running, is there a concotion that will reduce joint pain? A fellow softball player said take two (2) alleves and drink as much bud light that you can tolerate, seems to work. Any other recommendations?
Capt
April 6, 2012
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
Capt Kirk, I see you've been talking to Dr. Maddog about cures! It has worked for me!
April 6, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4334 posts
Advil does not to a thing for me but these work depending on severity...

Wintercrest, what you can get on line or in St. G
Eagle Brand medicated oil, not a spray or balm. Is green in color, a glass bottle, found in asian stores.
Pure Valley Chinese herbal Warming Pain relief Gel, in clear plastic bottle found in same as above.
And one other that I got from my Acupuncturist but forget name other that it starts with the letter "A" (sorry), it is a spray.

A couple of Oxie-C's with a whiskey chaser and you might even forget you played.
Not a good thing.
April 6, 2012
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
taits, he said alleve not advil...............Bud Light works for me..........
April 6, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4334 posts
Neither works.
April 6, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
437 posts
Most sports experts highly recommend chocolate milk w/in a 1/2 hour of workout. It has the proper ratio of protein and carbs for quick recovery. Many recommend carbs before the exercise.
I am a low carber and only ingest carbs before and after a hard workout. Generally carbs and particularly any sugar (including fruit, think fructose) leads to inflammation. Carbs after a hard workout speeds recovery. This may seem contradictory but it is not. Some carbs but only at very specific times.
Proper hydration is also important. The coldest water is absorbed the fastest. Often muscle and joint pain is dehydration. Drink cold water before, during and after.
April 6, 2012
DMac
Men's 60
185 posts
Don't underestimate the power of ice. After you're done for the day and back at the hotel, fill a couple of Ziploc bags and ice those knees for no more than 20 minutes. If needed, do it again an hour later. Good Luck
April 6, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
HJ, do you have any reputable sources for any of that?

Capt., ice is a very good thing, but only so much can be done for old age. It just is what it is, no "miracle" cure for that.
April 6, 2012
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
DMac........better off filling a glass with ice and topping it off with Jack Daniels.
April 6, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
salio, be careful. Someone is going to read that and take it seriously.
April 6, 2012
green rocket
51 posts
Nothing works better than rest, should you have the time for it. Actually one should make time to rest, otherwise lingering injuries or joints that do not recoop enough in time for the next game.

Nobody was designed to play 7 or 8 games within a two day period, but thats tournament ball for you. Having enough bodies on the roster to spell players during games or simply not starting ones due to play later on is a big item.

Easy for me to state but really hard to do especailly players who play tournament and league play in tandum.

It's a long season.
April 6, 2012
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
Having bad knees, bad ankles and arthritis in my hips I have tried many different things. Advil or Alleve prior to playing helps me. I have also stumbled across a couple of things that help during and after playing. I use a cream called Joint Flex. I found it at Walgreens. I also use a product called China Gel. I found it on line at Ithaca Sports. It's great on muscles and joints. I would reccomend trying booth of these.
April 6, 2012
Capt Kirk
402 posts
Lots of good recommendations, I have used the witner crest, it seems to work. I like the suggestion of drinking some chocolate milk, before and after. my daughter is a fitness guru, and she recommends chocolate milk. I know that goes agains the jack daniels and bud light cures. It is early in the season. we have added a few more players and hopefully I can take a game off occassionally. Thanks for all of the good advice.
Capt
April 6, 2012
dano911sc
47 posts

Maybe it's time for us to visit Doctor Feelgood about are aches,pains and arthritis etc. and get our medical marijuana cards lol... hell you can get a card for less symptoms plus we would be fun to watch.






April 6, 2012
Mario
Men's 50
372 posts
I take aleve twice a day when playing and it seems to help just enough to make the pain bearable. I also take Osteo-Bi-Flex, this product has done wonders for my joint pain. Probably the most important has been the incorporation of Yoga into my workout routines. Yoga has taken away that stiffness that I used to feel from the arthritis.
April 6, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
437 posts
Gary 19, yes virtually all of it. I try to find
basic research done by scientists who actually compare things in a controlled environment.
1. Coldest water for fastest hydration- there is a specific study. Note: any sugar slows hydration, but a tiny bit of sugar in the water tricks the brain and helps fight off fatigue. (Your brain tells you you are tired first) Again there are studies for this.

2. After exercise your body wants to repair the damage. Weight lifters wait 48 hours. The carb after a workout in the critical 30 minutes after you stop causes an insulin release. The insulin release stops the muscle breakdown so recovery starts. The scientists have worked out the ratios of protein to carb to fat, and it is serendipity but chocolate milk is like the perfect food for this. You get a good shot of protein, some carbs and the milk is 2% fat. There is general agreement on this backed up by science.

3. A low carb diet is more controversial although there is good science backing it up. Clearly excess carbs causes inflammation.

4. Personally unless a bad bruise I don't use cold. For me I find heat speeds healing but I have found only a little bit of science backing this up.

5. Be careful with all Nsaids- aspirin, ibufrofen, alleve (naproxen), etc. They can really rip up your gut.
April 10, 2012
Webbie25
Men's 60
1964 posts
HJ-he would not understand all that. He is just here to be negative.
April 11, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
I wouldn't "understand"?

Again Webbie, anytime you want to compare I am game.
April 11, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
what are you gonna compare,you have zero to compare with........

HJ have read about the chocolate milk also...
CAPTKIRK,talk with me saturday,i use recovery supplements i get from the nutrition stores..i have a couple of suggestions,along with the aleve,no beer larry,well not to much...LOL
April 11, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Since you so like to interject, same offer to you, sad one.
April 11, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
437 posts
I don't mind skepticism at all since I try to approach all of this scientifically. We should all question the source of advice to determine if there is good scientific evidence for it. We should likewise always be concerned w/ possible negative effects.
It is disheartening to see substantive discussions deteriorate to personal animosity.
The tournament players might consider an old safe approach to overall overused muscles-a warm
epson salt bath (very cheap in bulk at Costco, etc.) It relaxes the muscles, relieves bruising and initiates healing. (The chocolate milk or similar food right after exercise remains critically important to start healing and refueling)
April 11, 2012
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
and what will you want to compare,your non-ability to get a team,no hitting on your part...tell what do you have to bring to a ball field besides a negative attitude and na-saying.

i'll even go the mound with ya,since you say you are a pitcher.we can have a middle war if ya like..........
April 12, 2012
Capt Kirk
402 posts
Has anyone use this product, 024? http://www.024zone.com/files/o24fm_qa.pdf
April 12, 2012
dano911sc
47 posts
HJ hit it on the head Epson Salt, warm water and hit the jets... try play softball more often or exercise to stay loose that means getting out of the recliner. Injuries will happen the first 48 hours ice after that hit the tube with Epson...if you have on going soreness after a game such as your throwing arm ice it for 45 minutes.


April 12, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
437 posts
Another discussion mentioned turmeric. I take it regularly and it seems to work. It comes in capsule form (it is the "yellow" spice in Indian cooking) Jack may make you feel better, but alcohol is digested in the liver and does not cause the insulin rush needed after a workout to stop the muscle breakdown and start healing.
The chocolate milk has the necessary carbs mostly
sugar. I am a low carber and believes it cuts down all inflammation. I do take very limited carbs (sugar) after a workout to start healing.
April 13, 2012
Capt Kirk
402 posts
Before playing and after the game, drank a cup of choc milk, seems to work, more energy less pain this morning. I have been taking the 5 hr energy drinks before game, but seem to have lost their impact (maybe it just me).

It could be mind over matter: Chronic pain is not a simple sensation, but rather chronic pain is strongly influenced by the ways in which the brain processes the pain signals. Importantly, chronic pain can provoke strong emotional reactions, such as fear, anxiety or even terror, depending on what the individual believes about the pain signals.

If there is any good news with chronic pain, it is that to a certain extent the brain can learn how to manage the sensation of pain. Ideally, use of chronic pain management techniques outlined here can help people dealing with chronic pain feel more in control of their situation and less dependent on pain medications.

First, for chronic pain coping techniques to work, you need to relax your body through focus and deep breathing. Learning to relax takes practice (especially when you are in a great deal of pain), but hopefully the payoff is worth it.
http://www.spine-health.com/blog/mind-over-matter-effective-chronic-pain-control-techniques
Note: Or as one team mate stated "if you don't have mind it doesn't matter."

April 13, 2012
boston
297 posts
I use a protien drink w/ ammino acids and carbs. I mix it with milk and get the chocolate flavor. I throw in some extra l-glutamine, calcium and magnesium tablets. I use it before and after workouts and during tourneys. It works great for me.
April 13, 2012
boston
297 posts
Forgot to add i also use Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestris
April 16, 2012
Capt Kirk
402 posts
Chocolate Milk, after playing seems to help but the epson bath work great. hardly any soreness after playing in a tournament on Saturday in Austin, TX. Also getting ready for a tournament in Plano, will have a good massage on Tuesday, sb good to go.
Capt
April 16, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
437 posts
Capt Kirk, just curious, did you get idea for epson salt bath from this discussion? It is considered perfectly safe and should probably be used more rather than ingesting stuff with who know what in it. As seniors we are more subject to side reactions from drugs and most of this "natural" stuff is actually drugs. Also our kidneys and livers do not eliminate stuff as fast as before so we can OD much more easily.
Indidentally, w/o science to back it up, there are many reports that epson salt baths are great for gout.
May 13, 2012
Capt Kirk
402 posts
Lots of informecails with claims and testimonals, beware. Check the labels, lots of the products are the same, just marketed differently. The epson baths seems to help, Magic Stuff A for the soreness, Ostobiflex, exercise, and will start going to the pool for some water walking exercises. I have the normal wear tear with some arthritis, old age.
May 13, 2012
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
603 posts
I have talked with players who believe in tumeric or cider vinegar for arthritis and/or muscle pain. I also met a team from New Mexico that used bee pollen for muscle pain. I am more of the first cure CK suggested.
May 13, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
437 posts
I also take tumeric which seems to help but hard to know, reputedly also good for psoriasis. W/o science backup, I think ice delays healing and only use if really bad bruise or clear bad muscle
rip or pull. I still swear by epsom salt warm full body tub soaks for general soreness and small bruises and muscle "tightness". I do it daily for about 10 minutes before showering and can feel tightness relief immediately and much soreness gone the next day. Very cheap! No downside.
May 13, 2012
LP
279 posts
Capt. Kirk as has been documented, when you are on the base path try and not to run in one spot so long and you wont be as tired at the end of the tournament.
May 14, 2012
Capt Kirk
402 posts
Lp, when you say haul ass and it now takes me two(2) trips since I burrowing around the basepath. We're giving what we got on the bases and hoping the after burner(s)will kick in (not a hammy or groin pull).
Capt
May 14, 2012
Capt Kirk
402 posts
Anti-inflammatory foods: Inflammation is the painful component of arthritis (symptoms include pain, swelling, red coloration to the area, and sometimes loss of movement or function), and may be a component of cardiovascular diseases. Can the foods you eat help reduce inflammation? Some experts believe it's possible, so I'll explain which foods may be anti-inflammatory foods (and which ones to avoid).

Instructions
Avoid Foods That Cause Inflammation
1
Many people who have arthritis find that they cannot tolerate foods in the nightshade family. The nightshade food group includes eggplant, tomatoes, tomatillos, bell peppers, chili peppers, pimentos and potatoes. Sweet potatoes are in a different family and are not known to cause a flare-up of arthritis symptoms.

2
Caffeine is another item that may affect the severity of arthritis. Caffeine is found in many foods such as tea, coffee, chocolate and soda.


Read more: How to Introduce Anti-Inflammatory Foods Into an Arthritis Diet | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_2303033_introduce-antiinflammatory-foods-arthritis-diet.html#ixzz1uqdopvFI
http://arthritis.about.com/cs/arthgen/a/inflammation.htm
May 14, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
437 posts
As a generalization carbohydrates cause inflammation. I am a lo carber and my inflammation generally is way down. I eat no sugar whatsoever (fructose is sugar so no fruit. I eat large amounts of salad greens and non starchy vegetables. I do eat plenty of fat and protein. Weight is way down, feel great, no ankle swelling, sugar readings way down, triglycerides way down, HDLs way up. Stops metabolic syndrome progression and slowly reverses it (depends how far gone you are. Note: I am not talking about arthritic inflammation personally but believe it works there too.
May 16, 2012
Al Roth
Men's 50
2 posts
New to this ZONE the best relief I've ever found in a bottle is ZIPSOR wow this thing does me FINE here's a link for it ask your doctor about it http://www.drugs.com/comments/diclofenac/zipsor.html
May 17, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
437 posts
If you generally us a bengay-like product (menthol, camphor, and methyl salicylate) you may
want to try salon pas, which are cheap at Costco.
It is a patch (about 2 by 4 inches) which is impregnated with the above active ingredients in a high dose. When you pull off the covering, there is an adhesive so you just "paste" it on the spots where you hurt. I have found it to be very long lasting compared to rubs and more effective. You can wrap over it which is not recommended, but works.
May 17, 2012
Capt Kirk
402 posts
Some R&R away from softball seems to help, I am ready to go. We are playing in a local tournament this weekend, getting ready for Reno.
Capt
May 19, 2012
17Black
Men's 50
219 posts
OK

This is what "I do"

(A) I take a yoga class specifically set up to accomodate senior softball players. Yoga is great for stretching. Our instructor does not having us do stuff a 18 year old cheerleader can do, nor a 25 year old guy----we have a class once a week with a total of six (6) guys from one of my teams-----been doing it three years it works wonders

(B) before weeknight league games and before EVERY possible game in a tournament (unless playing back to back) spend another good 15 minutes stretching or basic yogo stretches

(C) stay hydrated------I personally don't like the taste of Gatorade or Powerade very much, BUT-------for weeknight games I take two alleve's (ONE HOUR BEFORE a game) and chug a gatorade, and have another on the bench during the game

(D) Tournaments----not a junkie LOL, but I'll take two (2) alleves and chug gatorade a "Lil" more often than 12 hours. I'll drink gatorade and water all day, but probably take the alleves about every five or six hours depending on game times.

(E) A few cold adult beverages at end of night and AFTER a day of tournament ball (never during the tournament) seems to work wonders too :)
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