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July 23, 2012
CAPT D5
124 posts
pitcher deception
Question: Rules concerning pitcher starting motion with ball forward and then bringing it back before starting forward to release the ball. Had pitcher do it several times in local tournament. Is this commonly allowed. I was filling in for a day and didn't pursue it when the managers didn't protest. What are others experience with this being allowed. What are the rules concerning this sort of thing. I have seen similar deception not allowed. Thanks
July 23, 2012
Tim Millette
521 posts
From what I have read, a pitcher is required to present the ball in front of his body before he starts his delivery.
From my senior experience more pitcher cheat (quick pitch) by not "presenting" the ball before they start their delivery.
July 23, 2012
CAPT D5
124 posts
This is more a case of double or triple pumping with the ball. The quick pitch was also involved, along with stepping in different directions before releasing the pitch. Managers acted lame about the issue and I want to be well prepared in the future.
July 23, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
My understanding is multiple pumping is only legal in U-trip, though trying it in senior ball for example cannot hurt. You never know what you might get away with.

Quick pitching is also not allowed, but again why not try it?

Stepping in different directions should be no big deal. Ultimately the has to release a pretty big ball going kind of slowly.
July 23, 2012
CAPT D5
124 posts
Sounds like you understand the concept of umpires not always strictly enforcing rules and how it can affect rule interpretations. Thanks for the info.
July 23, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Well, I think some of them just get caught by surprise the first time or two. But most do eventually catch on to a particular thing, and then you just have to switch it up.
July 23, 2012
d45
136 posts
What tournament was it Capt D5, if I may ask?
July 24, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1009 posts
think the pitcher for westcoast 50s I believe has a huge hitch in is delivery.. looks like on his back swing he hitches with a misdirection and then going foward does it again.. strange delivery.. not conventional.. don't know how legal it is?
July 24, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
443 posts
I guess I see playing SB differently from some.
To me a rule is a rule and if you violate it you pay the price. It seems to some the rules are just something to be gamed, something to take advantage of, something to get away with. I am not judging, just observing.
I believe this is the applicable SSUSA rule which
I believe is consistent with most orgs. but I know nothing of UTRIP. If legal in UTRIP, so be it. But this is the SSUSA rule:

6.6 LEGAL DELIVERY
A. The pitcher must not make any motion to pitch without immediately delivering the ball to the batter.
B. The delivery is a continuous motion.
C. The pitcher must not use a delivery in which there is a stop or
reversal of the pitching motion.
D. The pitcher must deliver the ball toward home plate on the first
forward swing of the pitching arm past the hip with an underhanded
motion.
E. The pivot foot must remain in contact with the pitcher’s box until
the pitched ball leaves the hand. If a step is taken, it can be forward,
backward, or to the side, provided the pivot foot is in contact with
the pitcher’s box and the step is simultaneous with the release of
the ball.
F. The pitcher must not pitch the ball behind his back or through
his legs.
G. The pitch shall be released at a moderate speed. The speed is left
entirely up to the judgment of the umpire. The umpire shall warn
the pitcher who delivers a pitch with excessive speed. If the pitcher
repeats such an act after being warned, he shall be removed from
the pitcher’s position for the remainder of the game.
H. The pitching motion does not continue after release of the ball.
I. The pitcher has 10 seconds to release the next pitch after receiving
the ball, or after the umpire indicates “play ball.”
J. The pitcher shall not deliver a pitch from the glove.
July 24, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Baseball, and by extension softball, have always been games in which rules are bent. I won't take up the space with all the examples of this. Gamesmenship has always been part of the game.
July 24, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1009 posts
Look up softball guy by Jim Rome for laughs.. "what's he got, he's got 18 MPH underhand, What's he got?" LMAO
July 24, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
swing, don't bring up Rome on here. These guys take great offense to him making fun of softball. I think they believe he should talk about it like he does baseball, football, basketball, hockey, and so on.
July 25, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1009 posts
Have too.. My wife loved that skit.. it's pretty damn funny and I think we have all seen that "Guy"
July 25, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Some guys on here don't like mirrors being held up to their hobby.
July 25, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1009 posts
yes, but when we are facing a pitcher that has a bit more than an average pitcher, I always think about that skit...."whats he got, he got 18 mile and hour underhand marshmallow, Whats he got?" LOL
July 26, 2012
southernson
261 posts
Swing you are so right...that Rome routine is a really funny skit!!! ROFLMAO just thinking about it....
July 26, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
1009 posts
What's he got? ;-)
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