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Gene D. Riddlebaugh
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| Nov. 2, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Observations and conversations. biggeorge & ms softball: Please do not take heart to the past posts. I, for one have been shot at so often on this board (lately), that at times I feel like Swiss Cheese. Is it not human (MEN) nature to make lite of or run and hide, when faced with a serious problem. Sooner or later, most likely sooner, someone or some entity will feel the bit of the snake. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverado #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 31, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: IMPORTANT NOTICE einstein: Would you please contact me at: OhioSilverado22@aol.com Bob (the wood): thank you for your input.As Arnold S. said "I'll be back" with you. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverado #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 31, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: IMPORTANT NOTICE the wood: I was responding to your #1. What are circumstances for a bat to be taken? Taking out the "Injured" is ok with me. Please redo it, and we will take a look at it. Thank you for your interest. Gene #22 |
| Oct. 30, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: IMPORTANT NOTICE Gary19: No problem. I know that you would not pick on me, because I would just make a call to Cleveland, and have your ass waxed LOL. By the way, I just bought a pair of 360’s and my first U2 28oz NEW and LEGAL. I thought I would give it a try in Ft. Myers. Maybe I can get into the 301’ club LOL. As long as the U2’s and the new Senior Combat are considered legal by the associations, they are legal to use. The thinking maybe, that as long as these bats are available, that it may curb the altered bats. I understand that the U2 is in it’s final production run, but like the Freak, I am sure that we will be seeing new ones for many years. Nancy Allen: I’m sorry, but I had to make the change for umpires in a different area. See below for the latest revision. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTICE Please Read Carefully If any fielder is injured, by a batted ball, and cannot continue further in the game (his/her manager decision ONLY), or in the case of an umpire being injured by a batted ball (umpire and or TD decision), the bat used and the ball hit will be removed from the game. Both items will be examined by the Tournament Director or his designees, and either be returned within 1 hour or be kept for further examination/testing and or further action. If either item is kept, statements will be taken from all interested parties coming forward, and the umpire(s) of that game, and submitted with the item(s) in question. Failure to surrender the bat in question will result in the player who used the bat and his/her manager, being ejected from the tournament. There will be NO EXCEPTIONS. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Explanation: This type of notice could be placed at the sign in table, and sent with the Managers Tournament Package. Having the Manager make the decision to pull the fielder, puts the burden on the Manager, not to sacrifice a fielder for the rest of the game for no good reason. If the bat/ball is found to be changed/altered, then the association would then apply a prescribed action/penalty. The wood: I stand corrected. I retract ”as the truth”. Thank you for your suggestions. I will address below. #1) Please list, under what circumstances a bat could be confiscated. This is a slippery deck. By listing specific circumstances, you create big loopholes. That is why catchall wording is used in developing a policy. #2) Under this document, the Manager is only ejected (along with the batter), if they refuse to give up the bat for inspection. We are dealing at the root level with this document. Penalties that would be levied, should the bat be, if fact altered, is a different item. #3) Einstein said in his October 27 post: “We need to have at least one representative of the tampered bat committee trained and in place for every park of every tournament. That way there would be someone to make a preliminary judgment about a bat”. This would be necessary. This person would, upon cursory examination, be able to either keep the bat for further testing, or in most cases, get the bat/ball back in the game ASAP (within 1 hour). #4) Yes, something could be available to the tournament (supplied by the manufactures), should the bat still be suspect after the cursory examination. #5) I think that this was done away with, because of the length of time it took to check every bat, and the stickers could be removed and placed on other bats, that had not been inspected. The tournaments don’t need something else to mess up the start times. #6) Anything over 2 (two) years, might as well be LIFE to start with. Miss a year, at our age, and it would be tough to come back. About the AA/AAA playing Major teams and crap fields…….I for one would not wish the TD job on anyone. With teams withdrawing at the last minute, and a host of all the other things……I think that Einstein and Stoneman would be well suited for that job. They handle people getting in their face well LOL. Thanks Bob Pete D: These people that sell altered or alter bats for profit on E-Bay and other places are like cockroaches. When you turn on the light….they all run, but are not gone, and will comeback. The manufactures can only get the ones that use their copyrighted material (logo etc.). The manufactures would have a tough time trying to get the bat shavers, rollers and loaders. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverado #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 30, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: IMPORTANT NOTICE Gary19: I do not know what you are talking about, but you can ask anyone that I have played senior softball with, and they will tell you that if I hit a home run, that the world would jump off it’s axis and spin off into space. I am a punch & judy hitter and a pitcher. If you are pointing a finger…Please be more specific. Cryptic messages are not my specialty. I am trying, with yours and other help, to put a fix on a specific problem. Nancy Allen: On my October 27 post, I stated the following “There is not 1 (one) “Home Run Hitter” out there, that hits a home run every time. When they mis-hit the ball, it usually goes as a line drive or a 1 (one) hopper. Both are usually screamers.” Good idea…. “Anyone on the playing field” will be substituted for “fielder”. the wood: I had never seen or heard of the trumpball proposal. Now that I have seen it, I do not see the similarity, other than they would take any suspected bat, but did not tell you how this bat came into question. Yes we are on the same side “Player Safety”, but how else would you and others approach this problem. Just saying no, just does not cut it. I welcome any solution, for discussion. Citing posts from a message board, as the truth, is like the garbage man telling you that the doctor said that you were going to die. Yes, there is semi-legal language, at this point. It is a rough draft. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverado #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 30, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: IMPORTANT NOTICE the wood: I agree with you. I too do not want any more rules, but there has been a lot of altered bats showing up lately, and has been the talk on many a message board, and the Summit Advisory Board (SAB) will in all likelihood, will be taking some action. This message board is also a form to bring a possible different thought process to assist the SAB. The SAB, as like any other entrusted groups, gleans ideas from all the resources at their disposal. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The bat and ball would be removed from the game if the following happens (as taken from the text): If any fielder is injured, by a batted ball, and cannot continue further in the game his/her manager decision ONLY), the bat used and the ball hit will be removed from the game. The fielder has to leave the game, if his/her manager believes that the fielder cannot safely play the rest of the game. Yes, the fielder will have some input into the manager’s decision, as would the umpire(s), TD, EMT’s, wife, girlfriend, mother, father, other players and common sense. Remember, this is about player safety first. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverados #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 29, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: IMPORTANT NOTICE STONEMAN: I realy do hope that the SUMMIT pays attention to both of our posts. It would be a shame if they don't.You know that BIG BROTHER is watching us. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverado #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 29, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: SUSPENSIONS for Using an ILLEGAL BAT: STONEMAN: The 44/375 would be great, as long as they do not change the 120 bp. Any suspension should be for all associations. Hurt (define hurt) a player with an altered bat = LIFE. The manager needs to get involved at the base level, when it comes to altered bats. The manager has a responsibility to educate the players on not using altered bat. The manager of a player that is found to have used an altered bat, should get 1 year suspension, 2nd time =LIFE, and the same for the player that used the bat. Only 1 question…….How do you get the bat (for testing) from the batters cold lifeless hands. Irish Catholic New Yorker speaking……”Would that then be a sin Father” ???? Gary19: Yes, the Ohio Silverados will be in Ft. Myers. If anyone sees me and agrees with me, say hi, and if you don’t believe that there are altered bats being used….Walk on by LOL. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverados #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 28, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: IMPORTANT NOTICE In response to the above posts: Jano: Please read my post on “Altered Bat Update” October 23, 2006. Yes, it could be a crime. Hit The Gap: Your #5 & E Ness….Please read Einstein’s post of October 27. He ask’s that at least 1 trained rep of the “Tampered Bat Committee” be at every tournament park. Hell, I did not know that such a committee even existed. Gentleman: Yes, no one wants to give up anything for even 1 (one) split second, but in this day and age, the good do suffer because of the bad. It’s not right, but all laws and rules have this in common. There are innocent people in prison. How do we know this, they are found to be innocent later and are released, sometimes. By the way, it reads “Up to 1 (one) hour. You might get it back before your next at bat, if we take Einstein’s suggestion above. Who would pay for the bat that gets cut open for inspection, and it is found to be legal? I do not know the answer, however that would be an item to address. Remember, that all problems are solved in several stages, and that would be in one of the next stages. If I were to take a guess…. the bat manufactures could do something on that. It’s to there benefit. Some say that there are not many altered bats being used. I refer you to E-Bay. You can buy altered bats or for approx. $200.00 they will alter your bat. Altering a bat ranges from the most simple, pulling the weight out of the handle, re-painting and decaling to the most elaborate, shaving and loading. Here is what I know about the free market place. The time, energy and tools necessary to alter a bat becomes expensive, so there for, someone offering these services must have buyers. I am sure that some of these places are already established machine shops, but they must have buyers!! Again, I do not know everything, and that is why I am asking for your help. Is it not better to possibly help write a rule, then to have no say at all?? The rules in place are not getting the job done, for a variety of reasons, and everyone knows this. So, what do we do??? We can all try to work on something for the betterment of all, and hope that all the Associations notice, or ignore the problem, and hope that someone will do it for us, and we will have to live with that. Hey, Gary19: Before this is over, I may have as many posts as you LOL. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverados #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 27, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: IMPORTANT NOTICE STONEMAN: I was not acuseing anyone of anything, and will not ever judge anyone???? Hell, I juiced up for football in the late 60s. Most of you big guys have 3 to 5 favorate bat in your bag at any one time. You toss the manager, because he is supose to have control of his team. Anyway, as it says, if there is no problem, the bat go back to the batter within 1 hour. You must admitt that there is a problem with altered bats, just look on E-Bay, and this is first about player safety. The manufactures can only do so much, and that only is in the case of copy rights of there stamp. Your suggestions would be helpful, on how to make this better. Gene |
| Oct. 27, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: IMPORTANT NOTICE This blog was started from "Altered Bat Update" |
| Oct. 27, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Altered Bat Update This blog is to long....Starting new one.See "IMPORTANT NOTICE" |
| Oct. 27, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: IMPORTANT NOTICE IMPORTANT NOTICE Please Read Carefully If any fielder is injured, by a batted ball, and cannot continue further in the game (his/her manager decision ONLY), the bat used and the ball hit will be removed from the game. Both items will be examined by the Tournament Director or his designees, and either be returned within 1 hour or be kept for further examination/testing and or further action. If either item is kept, statements will be taken from all interested parties coming forward, and the umpire(s) of that game, and submitted with the item(s) in question. Failure to surrender the bat in question will result in the player who used the bat and his/her manager, being ejected from the tournament. There will be NO EXCEPTIONS. ---------------------------------------------------------- Explanation: This type of notice could be placed at the sign in table, and sent with the Managers Tournament Package. Having the Manager make the decision to pull the pitcher, puts the burden on the Manager, not to sacrifice his pitcher for the rest of the game for no good reason. If the bat/ball is found to be changed/altered, then the association would then apply a prescribed action/penalty. There may be some holes in this, but any constructive criticism is welcome. I think that it is now time for all associations to come up with a unified policy on this subject. Gentleman: It does not say that the batter comes out with the bat and ball (read first line). The batter and manager leave the game, if the bat is not surrendered. There is not 1 (one) “Home Run Hitter” out there, that hits a home run every time. When they mis-hit the ball, it usually goes as a line drive or a 1 (one) hopper. Both are usually screamers. We can address the altered bat problem by looking at player safety. By putting the likes of this signage in force, puts the batter on notice, that if you do mis-hit the ball, and someone gets hurt, there will be an inspection, so beware. Yes, there will be a game stoppage, but really, how long does it take for the umpire to pick up the bat and call for the ball and to hand them to someone to give to the TD. I am not trying to be the voice of softball, or putting myself up on stage, and say, “Look at me”, or know more than anybody else. I am just trying to address a problem, and I am asking for input. As in most problems, it takes several stopgap measures to get to the core of the problem. Right now the only ways that I have seen to call attention to an altered bat is: 1) Put up protest money. 2) The bat falls apart at the plate. 3) Someone brags too much. Yes, even the best fielder mis-plays a ball now and then, but again, an action has to be made during the game, not withstanding the fielder’s ability. Gary: I am not saying to go along with a bad idea. I am saying to all, put on your thinking caps and come up with a resolution to this problem, not just say “It wont work”. The glass is not always half empty (there is another one, Gary). I will make this statement: I cannot, and will not be drawn into an argument, over this discussion. If I am going to be part of the solution, it will be through interaction not reaction (OOPS, There’s another one). Oh, one other thing. I chose to list my name, so if I ever meet any of you, you will be able to put a face with a name, not a ghost. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverado #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 27, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Altered Bat Update Gary: Please read it again. I respect your view, but to be against something, you must be for something. This in no way rewards a hurt player. He/ she also pays a price + his/her team by being removed from the rest of the game, which they would normaly if they were hurt. In every problem, there is no quick fix, but usualy a series of fixs. I believe that this is a good starting point. If you have another idea, I would be pleased to work with you or anyone on it. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverado #22 |
| Oct. 27, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Altered Bat Update Einstein: Stay on tract. Here is a revision: This sign would be posted at the sign in table, and supplied with the managers packet, for any tournament. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTICE Please Read Carefully If any fielder is injured, by a batted ball, and cannot continue further in the game(his/her manager decision ONLY), the bat used and the ball hit will be removed from the game. Both items will be examined by the Tournament Director or his designees, and either be returned within 1 hour or be kept for further examination/testing and or further action. If either item is kept, statements will be taken from all interested parties coming forward, and the umpire(s) of that game, and submitted with the item(s) in question. Failure to surrender the bat in question will result in the player who used the bat and his manager, being ejected from the tournament. There will be NO EXCEPTIONS. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The player would have to leave the game, or the manager of a questionablely hurt player could use this event to get a bat out of the game, just to piss someone off. The Associations would need a unified penalty for altered bats, but first things first. Lets have more ideas. |
| Oct. 26, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Altered Bat Update Gentleman: There have been 20+ posts since my message “Important”. The vast majority of which have been devoted to MUD Slinging. It really does not matter what the persons past is when it comes to this serious discussion, so put aside your personal problems for the awhile, and address the issue at hand. My post “Important” is a simple but serious attempt at where to start to fix this problem. I may not be entirely correct, but at least give it a chance to live or die on it’s own merits. Serious replies only. I post it for the last time below. IMPORTANT NOTICE Please Read Carefully If a pitcher is injured, do to a batted ball, and cannot continue further in the game (his/her manager decision ONLY), the bat used and the ball hit will be removed from the game. Both items will be examined by the Tournament Director or his designees, and either be returned within 1 hour or be kept for further examination/testing and or further action. If either item is kept, statements will be taken from all interested parties coming forward, and the umpire(s) of that game, and submitted with the item(s) in question. There will be NO EXCEPTIONS. ---------------------------------------------------------- Explanation: This type of notice could be placed at the sign in table, and sent with the Managers Tournament Package. Having the Manager make the decision to pull the pitcher, puts the burden on the Manager, not to sacrifice his pitcher for the rest of the game for no good reason. If the bat/ball is found to be changed/altered, then the association would then apply a prescribed action/penalty. There may be some holes in this, but any constructive criticism is welcome. I think that it is now time for all associations to come up with a unified policy on this subject. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverado #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 25, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Altered Bat Update IMPORTANT NOTICE If a pitcher is injured, do to a batted ball, and cannot continue further in the game (his/her manager decision ONLY), the bat used and the ball hit will be removed from the game. Both items will be examined by the Tournament Director or his designees, and either be returned within 1 hour or be kept for further examination/testing and or further action. If either item is kept, statements will be taken from all interested parties coming forward, and the umpire(s) of that game, and submitted with the item(s) in question. There will be NO EXCEPTIONS. ---------------------------------------------------------- Explanation: This type of notice could be placed at the sign in table, and sent with the Managers Tournament Package. Having the Manager make the decision to pull the pitcher, puts the burden on the Manager, not to sacrifice his pitcher for the rest of the game for no good reason. If the bat/ball is found to be changed/altered, then the association would then apply a prescribed action/penalty. There may be some holes in this, but any constructive criticism is welcome. I think that it is now time for all associations to come up with a unified policy on this subject. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverado #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 24, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Altered Bat Update Yes it would be a civil case, but given the right set of circumstances, it very well could be a criminal case. #1: Lets say that you made a statement, as you were going to the plate (regular bat), that you were going to hit/kill the pitcher, and more that 3 people heard you, and then you did hit the pitcher with the batted ball, and it hurt him bad. If he wanted to press assault charges, he could. #2: you altered the bat that you took to the plate, you hit the pitcher with the batted ball. You hurt him bad. The bat is found to be altered (hot bat). If he wanted to press assault charges (after the bat has been found to be altered, or you admitted to it), he could. These examples are stretching it just a little, but a civil suit would either come by it’s self or after the criminal trial, should you be found guilty. There are many more scenarios, but either way, you butt is in a vise. Oh by the way, there would be a lot of others added to the civil suit (people manufactures, associations etc.What I am trying to show people is that it is not worth the risk to alter bats, and for sure not worth hurting anyone for. Example: There is a pitcher, he has been playing this game he loves for more than 30 years. You come to the plate with an altered bat, you hit the ball, and it hits him some were that just ends his playing days forever. How do you think that you should feel, and how do you think he will feel next year, the year after that etc. when he has to sit and watch because you decided not to play fair. Just remember that when you go to court, anything might happen. That’s why Lawyers have a job. No Lawyer Jokes Please. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverados #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 23, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Altered Bat Update I posted the following message over a month ago. This is fact, not fiction. If you hurt someone with an altered bat, all the below can happen. From a legal point of view, YES you and others could and most likely would be held accountable. It falls under the heading of "If you thruogh enough crap against the wall, some of it will stick" Just to defend yourself in a civil trial will cost you about $5,000.00 just to get to the first day of court. All it will take is one person getting hurt, and that hurt person getting a lawyer. There is case law in every state that would bare witness to this. If you don't believe me, spend $35.00 and go see a lawyer. I defend your right to say things that make my blood boil, and I have the right to reply or not to listen. With that said, the person EB is just that A CLOWN, and I for one will not listen to that type of retort. It is counter productive and not befiting any man of honor. Sept. 15, 2006 Gene22 Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Doctored Bat in Seattle? Let's take this to the next level. Some people just don't get it. They think that using an altered bat is cool. Let's try to make them understand on another level..........Weather you know it or not, if you use an altered bat and you hurt someone, the TD, Association, Manager of the team and that person using and or owner of the altered bat at the time of the injury and the person who altered the bat will in all likelyhood be SUED. The associations know this and should do everything they can to "Stop Them At The Gate". at least have someone in the know inspect every bat that is to be used before the games begin, and put a mark or sticker on them. With this problem creeping up more and more, the Associations Insurance Policy will not stand behind them with the Associations just telling people in a printed matter"No Altered Bats". I hope this does not fall on deaf ears. What kind of person could get a thrill out of BLASTING on out, with what they know is an altered bat. I for one and I am sure many others get an even GREATER THRILL when we BLAST one out following the rules. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverados #22 Dayton, Ohio |
| Oct. 15, 2006 Gene22 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Just say no, to illegal/altered bats I was at a Turkey Tourney today. I talked to 3 players that were very proud to display and talk about there New Altered Bats. I am sorry that I did not say anything to them, or to the ASA rep that was there, so from this day foward............ I'm with Tator. I swear I will never use or support anyone using an illegal/altered bat. I will report you, confront you, talk about you... I'll do whatever I can to stop you and expose you, if I find you using an illegal/altered bat with me or against me. Gene D. Riddlebaugh Ohio Silverado # 22 Dayton, Ohio |
