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Discussion: new red senior Combat

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Feb. 28, 2008
brian warner
Men's 55
53 posts
new red senior Combat
Just got mine today, went right out and hit with it. The thing is as hot. Hit better out of the wrapper then my 12'' Combat
Feb. 28, 2008
Lefty
Men's 65
485 posts
I've got a red senior combat. I bought it at the end of last year and broke it in a little. The bat hits well and should only get better. I also have a new gray senior combat and hits well. I just have to hit a little more with them and they'll catch up with the Ultra 2. Good luck with the bat.
Feb. 29, 2008
breeze53
Men's 55
40 posts
Bought a red combat in late December. It took 175 swings to come around, which was about the same as the grey combat. Then around 200 to 250 the bat cracked. I called the rep and he said that the red is suppose to last longer because of the shorter barrel. He also stated that he has a red with 2000 swings. I have also heard thru the grapevine that other people have had their red combats breaking before 200 swings. But anyway I have bought another red and have 100 swings so far. It at this time does not compare to my grey. But time will tell. Bob
March 2, 2008
Norq44
58 posts
I have a couple of the red combats, I traded 30 oz. Ultra II's for them. They are both 28oz. bats. I have been swinging them for at least three months, at least twice a week. At batting practices I probably get about 50 swings total that I split up between the two bats. I estimate that I have at least 750 swings on each of them. One of them has a tiny piece of paint chipped off , that's it. They are great bats. I feel they are comparable to the Ultra II. Definitely more durable. I recommend this bat to anyone who is tired of breaking the Miken Ultra II after just a few swings.
March 7, 2008
breeze53
Men's 55
40 posts
update, I traded my red combat for a grey. So my experiment is over. I like the grey better. Or I just do not trust the red anymore. Goodluck
March 7, 2008
audieh
Men's 60
242 posts
Just got to hit with my new grey/silver senior combat 30oz end load and the bat hits real well. Then my brother, Curt, allowed me to use his brand new red senior combat, 28oz and it hit exceptionally well. Better than the grey. My last 3 grey Combats lasted about 100 swings each. We are hoping the shorter barrel will give the red more life.
Don Norquist hits with us and has had very good results with many swings and feels that the red bat will last for a good while. Time will tell as i think it depends on the hitters swing and bat speed to a big degree.
March 9, 2008
tattooball
621 posts
Audie,
If you are only getting 100 swings on your bats you need to change the balls you are hitting.
March 10, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2667 posts
Kevin, what balls would you recommend for Audie? I've hit quite a bit with Audie and Curt and I'm sure most, if not all, of their ball are 44/375. Are you suggesting they go to your bp ball or maybe some 40/375?
Is it the cor or compression of the ball that caused the most damage?
I'm sure many here would like to know.
Thanks in advance
March 10, 2008
audieh
Men's 60
242 posts
Kevin, both Curt and I hit basically 44/375 balls. He tends to break more bats than me. We hit about 100 balls, pick them up and hit again. Typically we hit two nights a week from 9:00 PM till 11:30 PM. The second round the balls are somewhat wet as the humidity in northeast Florida is high. Would this extra water weight be a factor in bat breakage? Remember, it is just the exterior of the ball that is wet as the balls are not soaked!

Typically, other than to break in a game bat, we use blue Mayhems or the red Jeff Hall bats as they tend to last for us about 300 to 500 swings. The Ultras break quickly and then the Combats are a little longer lasting.

Is there an end loaded bat that is comparable to a 30 ounce Combat that would be a good practice bat? Right now I really like the end load Combats as I am hitting them better than the Ultra. Thanks for any input.
March 10, 2008
FreshFish
32 posts
Yeow, how many swings do you guys take at a time...And how do u find the balls at 11;30 at night ?
March 10, 2008
Norq44
58 posts
Freshfish,
There is generally 4 to 5 guys at these late night hitting sessions. We have two sets of over 100 balls. We generally hit ten balls each several times, then swith to five each, and sometimes we go to 1 swing each. ( the one swing really makes you concentrate). The field we generally hit on has a standard 300 foot softball fence and about 135 feet of grassy area beyond the fence. ( It's a good thing too because those Hollis boys can really mash it). Every once in a while the lights go off early, then we have to really spend some time looking for the balls in the dark with a flashlight. Luckily it doesn't happen that often.
March 11, 2008
tattooball
621 posts
I still think you need to look at the balls. If you are breaking mayhems that fast also you probably have some bad ones in the bag. The easiest thing to do is just buy some new synthetic .44/375 balls, and start over. I get at least 1000 swings out of a senior combat most over 1500 swings.
Now I don't mash the ball either I cut it pretty consistantly. I do have some combat b1's for 139.00 with warranty that you could match up weight wise. The asa bat takes about 2-300 swings to break in and actually hits pretty good when broken in. I also have some usssa models that have a very soft feel and hit very well. Hank Garris swung the u-trip model last year playing with team combat.
March 11, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3939 posts
quote by trumpball
"Now I don't mash the ball either I cut it pretty consistantly"

now kevin who your trying to BS with that quote.:):)
i like my combats also,my gray and blues(2 of them) are broke in and completely stupid right now.i picked up a red and gray at the senior worlds last yr in phx and am still working on it.i like the combats so much that i sold all my u-2's(and they had the ASA stamp on them) 6 of them.
March 11, 2008
audieh
Men's 60
242 posts
Kevin, do you think living in Florida and having the trunk going to well over 130 degrees during the day, tends to weaken the bats by expanding and then contracting at night when pulled "from the oven" and therefore they have a tendancy to break? Maybe that coupled with the extra weight of the water from the humidity is just too much or am I "barking up the wrong tree"?
March 11, 2008
tattooball
621 posts
Your trunk probably goes up to 180 during the summer. Composite materials are not prone to problems with the heat, it is probably the opposite. I still think you have a problem with the balls.

Not to say that you are but 1 thing combats deffinatly can't take is rolling, these bats are made much thinner than worth and miken and do break fast when rolled.
March 11, 2008
audieh
Men's 60
242 posts
Nope, never have rolled one other than throwing it to the dugout after flying out! We've got 2 new ones so we are going to keep a log on how many hits we take so that we are sure on the swing total.
March 11, 2008
chollis
79 posts
Kev, We are hitting the balls I used at the Classic Spring Training. The balls we were hitting until recently were last years spring training balls. They are all Trump 44/375 Miicrocells balls I got from you. Great balls by the way!
curt
March 12, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2667 posts
Audie, you don't get the prize for throwing the bat in the dugout. We all know who gets the cupie doll!
As for rolling a senior bat, I don't know of anyone in their right mind that would do that. Their life expectancy is short to begin with.
March 12, 2008
tattooball
621 posts
There lies a lot of the problem.
ASA balls are bigger and heavier than every other associations balls by .5 ounce. Also these balls are desinged not to lose compression even in heat. You might want to switch to a ISA .44/375 conventional core ball. I bet that will increase the life of your bats.
March 12, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2667 posts
Kevin, what are the specs on the other association's balls? Is ASA the only association that uses a heavier ball? How about the balls that you provide SSUSA?
March 12, 2008
tattooball
621 posts
Every other associations softball are 12+- 1/8 6.5 oz +- 1/4 oz.
ASA is 12 inch minimum 12 1/4 max 6.75 minimum 7 oz max. We make the ASA ball because they have fines for balls out of spec 7 oz As balls cure the will get lighter by about .2oz.
The senior ball is made between 11 7/8-12 inch and between 6.4 to 6.7 oz We are pretty consistant right around 6.5. The only things that can change the weight is being wet about .5 ounce and high humidity about .2
March 12, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2667 posts
Thanks Kevin, that's good info.
I remember 5 or 6 years ago that the Powerhouse's ball were found to be below the minimum size.
March 18, 2008
audieh
Men's 60
242 posts
Well, it broke apart tonight on the 47th swing. My new Cobat 30 ounce, end load which hit exceptionally well from the get go is no more. Temperature was 67 degree and no humidity with dry Trump Stote 375/44 balls. I believe i will try the short red barrel senior bat next!
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