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Discussion: how to win a ring

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Aug. 30, 2005
batter4u
Men's 65
74 posts
how to win a ring
first you need to buy an association, then find a AAA team, take 6-7 major and major plus players and put on this team, then play in your tournement, tell the tournement director to let your team be elgible to play AAA aginst ligetment AAA teams, and win a ring... sound fimalar Mr Ruth.
Aug. 30, 2005
Fred
45 posts
Not sure what association you're referring to but sounds you must have been on the losing end of a game or 2. Possibly in Ohio this last weekend? I was not there but that was the last big tournament.

Fred
Aug. 30, 2005
batter4u
Men's 65
74 posts
this past weekend in Des Moines, the 60 AAA was won by a team out of seattle, although they played AAA, the team was composed of several player from Ruth Reality, a major team, when asked how they cold have a AAA team with half of the team playing coming from a major team, the tourment director said that Mr. Ruth and Mr.Hennesy,,,sorry about the spelling, had said it was ok for the team to play AAA although it had major players on it...
Aug. 30, 2005
Sticks
22 posts
Ruth Realty is one of a few team that always seem to get preferential ratings by those two. Grimes and Theraldsons come to mind with me as always somehow being allowed to play down. The world is just full of politics.
Aug. 31, 2005
blaster57
Men's 60
6 posts
And the plot continues to thicken in Des Moines! Theraldson seems to be able to reschedule games without notifying other team in order to receive a forfeit also. Des Moines, IA the home of the big screw.
Aug. 31, 2005
Fred
45 posts
I know most of the guys on the Seattle team you are referring to. This was their first time playing together as a unit. Yes, they did have some of the Ruth players who have been playing Major (not Major-Plus). The majority of the Ruth guys that were there are over 65 but have continued to play down an age bracket. The team also had a handful of AA players on the team. Some of these guys had career best games in this tournament. So unless you have all the facts, on the surface, it looks like they should have been in a higher division. I know they drubbed some teams pretty handily, but some weekends that happens.
I also know and played with many of the Grimes Trucking guys. I know that they have never asked for any preferential treatment They have been the dominant Senior team in AZ for many years but I have seen them get drubbed by many Major Plus teams and they have fared pretty well in some tournys as a Major team but have also lost their fair share of games.
It would be nice if all the tournaments had equal talent in all divisions but that rarely happens so you just have to play who shows up. I have seen many, many so called loaded teams get beat. On any given weekend anyone can win. Playing better teams makes you better !!

Fred
Play or Die
Aug. 31, 2005
Sticks
22 posts
Fred, you say: "On any given weekend anyone can win. Playing better teams makes you better !!" I would agree with you if you had said in any game. But you said weekend. That I feel most of the time will go to the better teams. Sure upsets do happen. But that is why they call them upsets. They are rare.
It is and has always been agrivating to arrive at a World and find the same teams year after year that had been ranked a division higher all season dropped down for the upcoming world. Then after we get home and read the results those teams always finish very high. It is just politics and we are stuck with it. But we do not have to like it.
Sept. 1, 2005
Joncon
285 posts
I say shut up and play ball.


Some things never change.
Sept. 2, 2005
KillAbrew
Men's 60
55 posts
Joncon, you say that here. But did I not read somewhere that you are "an arguementative honery old coot!"
he he he
Sept. 2, 2005
Bobby L
Men's 55
29 posts
Hey Roger,
You act like what Ruth pulled is a surprise to You.Don`t You remember 2004when they were a Major team and got moved to AAA to win the USSSA world.Or how about 2002 when they won theMajor plus berth in Vegas and run ruled all the major teams there even with a 5 run spot,then one week later got moved down to majors in time for the SSWC in Phx.which they also won{big surprise} sounds like business as usual for Ruth to me!
Sept. 8, 2005
jax21
Men's 55
14 posts
Interesting comments about the Ruth Realty Team. Last year I played for the Alabama 55's in AAA. We went to the USSSA Nationals in Panama City, FL and finished 2nd to Ruth Realty. They run ruled ever team they played including us twice. That national rating website had them rated as Major Plus. Guess who ran the USSSA tournament? Mr. Hennessy. Politics as usual.
Sept. 8, 2005
DawgBreath
3 posts
This Ruth you guys mention. Who is she and what is she to Hennessy.
Sept. 9, 2005
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
DAWG: W.E. Ruth, owns & founded ISA in 1984. Mr. Ruth owns most of SSUSA. Bill Ruth & Terry Hennessy, brought SSUSA, in around 2001 or so. Ruth Realty, has teams in the 50's, 55's, & 60's age groups.
NSA- started in1982 & is still owned by Hugh Cantrell, out of Ky.
NASCS- is owned by Ken & Shirley Maas, out of Mi.
SPA, was formed in 1992 & in 2000, Ridge Hooks from Tx, brought & runs SPA.
USSSA, was founded in 1968, & in 1971 moved to Petersburg, Va.
Sept. 12, 2005
Fred
45 posts
A little more information about Mr. Ruth. Bill Ruth has been actively involved in softball as far back as the early 70's and has sponsored some of the best teams in the Northwest during those years. He has spent 100's of thousands dollars of his own money to promote the game he loves and many, many people have benefited from his generosity. So go ahead and bash him, his organizations, and his teams all you want. Just know that there are very few people on the planet that have given as much to this game, that we all love, as much as Bill Ruth has.

Fred
Sept. 12, 2005
Joncon
285 posts
""how do you explain what some of the others on here are saying?"

Someone got beat and can't accept it. It is called transference.

Sincerely, Honery Old Coot
Sept. 12, 2005
KillAbrew
Men's 60
55 posts
Joncon, I was just teasing you. Just using your own words.

As for Ruth, We played WE Ruth 55 this past weekend. I believe it was the first time we have played them. They are a great group of guys. First class all the way. Very tough games and no problems at all. Happy to do battle with them anytime.
Bill Ruth is a member of that group. Nothing but priase for him and his team.
Sept. 12, 2005
Fred
45 posts
Gary 19, I'm not sure I can answer your question but here's my take. I am 60 years young and have played at the Major plus, and Major levels. I am now playing for a 50 AA team. First, ratings are not consistant throughout softball. Take the USSSA Masters for example. A SSUSA Major team may not be good enough to play at the USSSA Major level and could reasonably play AAA in this tournament. Also at this age level, you know how injuries can impact a team. You often start the season in one division and end up in another. Unless you have all the facts about a teams condition, how many players they have left behind, how many older players are filling in etc., I don't think you have the ability to determine at what level a team should be playing at. That's what the tournament directors are for. If people want to complain, they should direct it at the TD's.

Fred
Sept. 13, 2005
Bat-Heater
Men's 50
64 posts
We have played Ruth 50s a few times this past year and found them to be a class team.
Sept. 16, 2005
Coach Tom
Men's 60
1 posts
Thank God we live in a country where a person can express their views freely. There are times that a response is necessary especially when someone expresses their views incorrectly. On August 30th of this year a message was posted by an individual, the message was captioned žhow to win a ringÓ. In this persons message some incorrect statements were made, in particular those statements regarding Mr. Hennessy and Mr. Ruth. In my view legitimate criticism is a good thing, but that criticism should be based on correct information. Neither Mr. Hennessy nor Mr. Ruth had anything to do with the team that played in Des Moines. Neither person was consulted in any manner and I should know as I was the coach of that team. The tournament was a SSWS tournament not to be confused with Senior Softball USA (SSWC). As a matter of fact I have only met Terry Hennessy on one occasion and that was at the 2005 Western Nationals in Kent, Washington. As far as Bill Ruth is concerned I think a message posted on September 12th, 2005 by a person named Fred says it very eloquently. I quote that message; žSo go ahead and bash him, his organizations, and his teams all you want. Just know that there are very few people on the planet that have given as much to this game, that we all love, as much as Bill Ruth has.Ó As a postscript to this message, I just want to say that our team is a legitimate AAA team, we were pummeled by a Major+ team, the score was 30-9 and it ended after 4 innings. We did beat one team handily and they were an AA team. We were behind in all of our games played against AAA teams; I have the scorebook to prove it. We won the Championship game 8-7 with one out in the bottom of the seventh inning. I wouldnŪt say that we just žwalked throughÓ the tournament, in my estimation we earned žthe ringÓ and I applaud our team for their effort.
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