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Discussion: Who will be attending?

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Nov. 22, 2010
Capt Kirk
410 posts
Who will be attending?
Who will be attending 2010 SSUSA/ISA National Convention in Tucson, Arizona, from November 30 - December 4th?
I would like to propose the following changes:
1) All tournament/bracketed games be seven (7) innings.
2) Limit one (1) courtesy runner per inning.
3) Mandatory safety equipment for the pitcher.

Do we have somone who will be attending the convention that will take our recommendations to the SSUSA Rules Committee?
Thanks
Gary R. Kirk
Mgr, Texas Tornados, Mens 60AAA



Nov. 22, 2010
GI
Men's 60
168 posts
1-1 count would also be a great rule to add. trying to pitch a strike in 50 mile an hour wind in Vegas this past week was not fun for any pitcher and watching guys take a strike if we could hit the plate did not make the game more fun.
Nov. 22, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
800 posts
Get yourself in the batters box and swing the bat, this isn't baseball. It will speed the game up.
Nov. 23, 2010
wagon487
Men's 50
538 posts
Jarwood, being a lead-off hitter, my job is to get on base. I will swing at strikes but if the pitcher doesn't give me anything to swing at, i will walk!
Nov. 23, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1995 posts
CaptKirk-I am planning on going. I have had several emails from guys about ideas. I plan on taking emails I receive and listening to as many ideas as possible.
weber5069@msn.com

Mark Weber
Desperados
Part-time faux Manager Emeritus
55AAA
Nov. 23, 2010
JBTexas
Men's 65
266 posts
CaptKirk, if you plan on driving it is a 12 hour drive, just finished it coming home from Vegas, good luck with your three ideas but don't count on it. One has a chance other two won't fly. good Luck.
Nov. 23, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
800 posts
Wagon, I didn't mean not to take a walk, that's a good AB. The 1 and 1 count will get you down to 1st base quicker, that's what I was saying, swinging or walking.
Nov. 23, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Good pitching speeds up the game the way it was intended. If you have opponents taking 4 or 5 pitches per AB, get a better pitcher.

Who has the right to tell me what I have to wear as a pitcher? If I choose to wear only my glove for 'protection', whose business is that? Seriously, why is that anyone else's concern?
Nov. 23, 2010
J R
183 posts
i will be attending. I am player manager 65 major.I would see rule changed to read after a player plays in a qualifier he is on that roster unless team folds.to many players jumping around after teams formed. that can kill a team. I would like rule changed so runner going to 1st base could slide to avoid collison. I see alot of collisons when the throw is bad and takes the 1st basemen into the path of the runner
Nov. 23, 2010
J R
183 posts
65 major Texas
Nov. 23, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
855 posts
Dirty the concern would only be about who would drag you off the field, and the time it would take to decide who it would be.
Good pitchers set batters up in slo Pitch just as in any other form of ball, in some cases it may take 3 or 4 pitches.
As a batter would you swing at a ball inside off the plate or short?
Do I really need to tell you who has the right to dictate rules to you? We've been over this so often it sounds like Joe and Gary C going at it. =)
Nov. 24, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1995 posts
Dirty-our team has had 2 pitchers hit hard in the last 2 tourneys-first one broke his hand in Phoenix, second one was hit in the hip-no chance to react and out for the rest of the tourney-and both are infielders when not pitching. Our coach has mandated that no one will pitch without protection, at least a helmet, on our team. We were lucky the shots were not at the head. Unfortunately-as far as being anyone elses concern-yes it is because lawyers will get involved somewhere. You know it, too, and SSUSA has to protect themselves.
I love hitting bombs that you stand and watch, too, but one step back to bats like the EST or Techfire Orange crush, and a return to 47/525 softballs to maintain a good ball would be a plenty lively game with lots of hitting. (I know, $$$$$$$$$$$ rules, won't happen)
Nov. 24, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Guys, I understand all that. But ultimately it is the pitcher's choice.

And no, I don't know that lawyers will get involved. Each and every pitcher, unless they are complete morons and that should be no excuse, understand what equipment is being used and the risk they are taking. With the possible exception of illegal equipment being used, no lawsuit will hold up over an injury in the normal course of the game using legal and approved equipment. NONE, in my opinion.

If SSUSA wants to 'protect' anything but there pocketbooks, they will scale back to equipment that everyone else but Seniors use. And if they don't, then anything else is lip service.

And yes E4, good pitchers will use a couple of pitches to set batters up. But a good pitcher will do it at a pace that keeps the game moving in a natural manner, not with contrived rules.

You guys want quicker games and more innings, get and and off the field and stop delaying the game with ridiculous courtesy runners that are only a sham to get a faster guy on the bases, NOT because the current runner is hurt. Biggest sham in softball.
Nov. 24, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
ssusa has already said our equipment is to hot,by requiring safety equipment or sign a wavier(which is completely worthless).

for safety we need to go to the 52-275/300 ball,then we wouldn't need all these silly rules.

as for pitchers,well tell me who is a 1 pitch-pitcher here,by that i mean you are getting the hitter to do something at your very first pitch,mm prolly none.if your are i want to hit off you as your prolly just throwing it in the middle and saying "here is your cookie,blast away".

as far as hustling in and out,great if your not the outfielder who has to do the extra mile a game.

we have had time limits since the 80's,whats the prol now.

my 3 choices

1)have CR at first to run,any batter/runner who makes 2b runs the rest of the way.no CR after the first pitch is thrown to next batter and he doesn't get one no matter after that.

2)go to a 24-36 mat,with batter able to move around and able to step on it if needed.no backing up tho,so your not endangering to the catcher/ump.

3)go to 3 div's,no need for the top 2 div's.
Nov. 24, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
oops guess i forgot my other one
4)go to the 52-275/300 ball to protect us seniors from ourselves.
Nov. 24, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Robert.
I like the larger mat,
larger the better.
And I would go to 1-1 count which makes batters less likely to get "their pitch"
to hit anywhere and/or through the box.
And did you hear yourself.
Protect us from ourselves?
What are we?
Children or
Th geriatric infirm?

C'mon, man
Nothing's wrong with our game
that a couple of minor adjustments
couldn't handle.
All the evidence supports
we love our game and where's all the stats and injuries incurred
in the last couple of years?
No where, beyond the customary
and usual variety.
World record attendance at Phoenix,
this year says it ALL.
We just don't agree, Robert.
We flat out don't agree.



Nov. 24, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Robert.
I just saw something I hadn't noticed
before.
You said 55x275/300 ball.
In my mind's eye,
I've always seen you say
52x275 ball.
Does that mean that you are suggesting
that the 52x275 ball doesn't hit well enough and needs to be a 300 which would mean 5%to10% more than 300
given manufacturing inefficiencies.
That's the point we been making all along and that is
that any ball used by seniors
or anyone else for that matter
needs to be lively, that is,
lively enough to hit well or
it won't work.
Wasn't it the 52 x 300 Dudley ball
that was used in the Canada/USA game
some months ago.
And if a 300 plus ball is better
wouldn't a 350 ball be better still?
It's good to see you seem to be moving
in the higher comp ball direction
because livelier is funner
and integral to our game.

Nov. 24, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
That should be 52x275/300 ball and not
the 55 that was printed above.
I wouldn't want to start a row
for nothing.
Sorry.
Nov. 25, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
ok i guess i just realized how much you read other's/myself posts.
per trumpball/evil sports
the 52-275/300 ball is the same thing,just different graphics.the difference in them is the 300 ball says 300 psi max;the 275's are just that,it gives them a +/- 10 lbs or such.

Nov. 26, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
800 posts
I hear they are charging $100 to attend the convention. $100 to be heard in a public forum after being invited?
Nov. 26, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
jawood,guess anyway to keep us from talking and/or to get more money out of us........
Nov. 26, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
800 posts
I guess so. The "invitation" said nothing of a fee to get in.
Nov. 26, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Is that really true? If so, very sad. Would sound like they really don't want to hear the opinions of their paying customers.
Nov. 27, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4403 posts
Its a surprise 'party'. If any fee is required for attendees, thats the surprise. you all win it.
lol
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