http://seniorsoftball.com/?page=12

 
SIGN IN:   Password     »Sign up

Message board   »Message Board home    »Sign-in or register to get started

Online now: 1 member: punpayfulc; 39 anonymous
Change topic:

Discussion: Stop the madness

Posted Discussion
Dec. 12, 2010
gary c
411 posts
Stop the madness
I started a thread a thread why leagues don't allow hot bats it is gone can we stay on subject and no name calling you know who you are FJ.
Dec. 12, 2010
RIK56
Men's 50
120 posts
because they think someone is going to get hurt,so they ban the hotter bats,but its not the bats it the ball thats the key.and einstein is right you are a trouble maker,or an anonymous clown as he would say it.you talk about name calling and you put an fj at the end,grow up.
Dec. 13, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4359 posts
Your wrong. Some do. We have what I call the good ball & bat league. Legend Centerfire 2, 47\525 balls with any legal senior or regular bats.
Dec. 13, 2010
ju25
Men's 55
139 posts
It is the bats. Composite bats get hotter with every swing.How many guys have hit their first ever HR(over the fence) with a senior bat, and we used to hit far better balls(50-52/625+) Titanium bats were banned and they are not as hot as a senior bat.
Dec. 13, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Not only hotter but the sweet spot goes on forever.

Why do old guys need to do in their 50s and 60s what most could not in their 20s and 30, all due to someone else's R&D. Where is the pride in that?
Dec. 13, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
dipty,please quit with the old guys thing,its as bad as the other guys "lively bats/balls forever" crap.

i see us having to live with the hot bats,but we need to go to the 52-275/300 ball for safer play.

47-525 ball or higher with senior bats is completely stupid to do,your just looking for a death or real serious injury.

at one of my parks they have gone to a no middle rule for the batters b/c of (like i've said before here)5 major surgeries to pitchers and them suing the P&R b/c of the hot bat/ball conditions,and yes we have a wavier to sign to play.
personally i hate the rule,but what the hey nothing i can do but play with it,and yes i pitch in this league.

it does make me lazy b/c of the rule sometimes,b/c i'm thinking the batter is not gonna go middle,forgetting about the accidents that come that way..
Dec. 13, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
sad pup, are you deluded enough to think Seniors are young guys?

And where is the pride in feeling good about what others enable you to do?
Dec. 13, 2010
Lefty
Men's 65
469 posts
The tourneys I play don't use great balls. As you guys know they can stamp what ever they want on the ball. The guys I see hitting HR's start at 230lbs. and up. That's not a small guy. Most of the year we use crap balls. I guess 300 lb. guys are the only ones that can hit out the Park. I could live with most balls if blue would keep the ball out of the sun when it's 90 degree's and above. What I call a hot ball is the Dudley Advance. Not a $28 ball the TD lets you play with.
Dec. 13, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
sad pup, are you deluded enough to think Seniors are young guys

And where is the pride in feeling good about what others enable you to do

dipty not sure what you mean.

we are doing that in our everyday lives now,technology is doing it in every facet of our lives,so why not the softball arena.
Dec. 13, 2010
Omar Khayyam
994 posts
ju25 is right—it's the bats! The composite bats, not lively balls, have changed senior softball. He was right on with his observation. As I have posted before, I am one of those pipsqueak singles hitters who never had one over the fence in 50 years of playing (and they were closer fences), and then have hit two in a game, twice, with my Miken U2. Luck? Hardly. It's the bat.

But mad dog is also right that a lot of seniors are not going to go out and buy new bats if the standard changes. I love my Miken for its balance and feel, not just its power. But guys are dropping out of softball playing—millions of them—and probably because of the over-emphasis on offense.

What to do? I expect a dumbing down of the balls as mad dog predicts. Too bad, but since I have never hit the 52-275/300 ball, maybe it, or a newer relative, will be the answer in light of the reluctance to give up one's composite.
Dec. 13, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Omar, Here in Va. we have a day league with 3 divisions with 6 teams per division and about 400 people playing. Each is rated on skill level and women are invited to play. We use ASA rules and my belief is that it is because for protection of the lesser player. I have witness players in the top division taking brutal hits with the lesser bats and balls. I will always vote for the travel leagues to use the same standard of equipment that we use now. we pay our money let us play with what we want. Always remember to take it easy on me I am very sensitive. Thanks Harry
Dec. 13, 2010
Omar Khayyam
994 posts
birdie, I will remember your admonition. I will always take it easy on you in future posts. Sensitive men are a growing trend in our society, it seems, and I wouldn't want to upset one of them, even one who talks about "brutal hits" in his division.
Dec. 13, 2010
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
I for one am glad of RD. If not for r&d

I would be playing barefooted, barehanded(or tying rabbit fur to my hand)and hitting with a stick as I personally could not make a glove, bat or cleats.
Dec. 13, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Omar, That sounded a little tongue in cheek but thank you. It is not about the brutal hits it is about playing where you are not supposed to. I do not think that there is any right answer. If you are not happy with the way things are do not play in that association. I believe that there are leagues and traveling leagues that suit everyone. Why do we want to change the best one that I think we have. Now you can get a little harsher on me but please take it easy. Thanks Harry
Dec. 13, 2010
Mr. Manassas
227 posts
Birdie.....I never realized that there was a softer side, a more sensitive side.......I am touched......but not by you!!!!
Dec. 13, 2010
DoubleL10
Men's 65
816 posts
birdie - can that be YOU or is this an imposter! Mr. M - help me out here! LOL!
Dec. 14, 2010
Omar Khayyam
994 posts
birdie, I wish I could believe that the hot conditions that are the norm (other than ASA) is a benefit. I am entirely in favor of tournaments that allow senior bats and lively balls, since I know a lot of guys like that. To each his own. But as a norm?

As you know from other posts of mine, I am worried that softball in general, and senior softball specifically, are declining in participation because of the current (almost ten years) hot conditions. Of course guys who like the status quo defend the speed, and battle the associations who worry about legal liability, but we are losing many, many players at all ages. I'd like to still have a tournament circuit to play in ten years from now.
Dec. 14, 2010
Mr. Manassas
227 posts
Larry...YES he is really a softy under all the Pittsburg tuff guy stuff...
Dec. 14, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
omar,ASA has the hottest ball now,the bats have been dumbed down for them.now us seniors use the same spec ball as the ASA(44-375) one,but with the hottest bats.it is the same as playing ASA with shaved/rolled bats.
Dec. 14, 2010
Omar Khayyam
994 posts
now, now mad dog, let's don't get into the shaved/rolled bats controversy. But your point on the incongruity of using ASA's hot ball and our hot composite bats is valid.

Mr. M, thanks for verifying birdie's true nature. That tough talk demeanor had me confused.
Dec. 14, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Larry, It is truly me. I am turning into a sensitive guy. Of course I have not been on a softball field for over a month so maybe my judgement is a little cloudy on what image I have about myself. I will continue to be the quieter and gentler birdie. Thanks Harry
Dec. 14, 2010
hitman
Men's 65
301 posts
Harry,

It's those long cold nights and not going to the fields, I know what you are doing.
Recliner, Remote and Refreshments, that's what is making you quieter and gentlier and it's not the first two R's that are doing it.

The Hitman
Dec. 14, 2010
DoubleL10
Men's 65
816 posts
hitman, Good one! We had the 3 R's in school and now the 3 R's for those of us who are retired!
Dec. 14, 2010
birdie
Men's 60
680 posts
Hitman, I am much better at the latter 3 Rs than I was at the first3 Rs. Thanks Harry
Dec. 14, 2010
lazer larry
Men's 50
96 posts
RIK56, have you stopped taking your medicine again. LOL I think you need to start drinking Coors Light again. If you know what i mean. Lazer Larry
Dec. 15, 2010
RIK56
Men's 50
120 posts
i have been taking it,i have some 16 oz cans in the fridge now lol.larry indoor softball starts up jan 4 from 6 to 8 in the evening have sonn pass the word to the coors light guys if they want to get some swings in.
Dec. 17, 2010
stick8
1282 posts
Lazer Larry, hope all is well with you and yours. What happened to you guys in Phoenix?
Dec. 17, 2010
lazer larry
Men's 50
96 posts
stick8, Happy Holidays to you and you family. It's been a rough year, lost my job the end of June and just started back with Ditch Witch Sales where i quit in 2006. Now the Store Mgr. and lone salesman, so things have worked out well. Only played 3 tournaments this past year and played a lot of golf with my time off. We had 4 guys hurt that didn't go to Phoenix besides myself. They went with 11 guys plus the coach. A broken finger, a bad back and a calf muscle put them at 8 and the coach for the last game sat. They said f-it so nobody else got hurt. They played their asses off to get to that point and i wish i could have been there to help where i could. I turn 55 in july and not sure what i'm going to do. The group of 55 guys are moving 90% of that team to 60+. I still have fun on the field,but hate watching homerun derbys. I'll see most of the boys sat. night to kill some Silver Bullets at coaches bar. Take care and maybe i'll see you next year. Lazer Larry
Dec. 18, 2010
stick8
1282 posts
Lazer Larry that's too bad. Because you guys forfeited to us saturday night we made it to sunday. I just want you to know that at the store near our hotel I had the worker hide a 12 pack of Coors Light just for me because I figured you guys would spread out over Phoenix and buy out all the Coors Light. lol
Glad to hear you got a job after being laid off. Tough world we live in.
Happy Holdiays to you and yours. Stay healthy & hope to see you next year.
March 14, 2011
batman27
Men's 65
24 posts
wooden major league bat's, solves the bat problem, juice um for senior ball LOL
March 14, 2011
batman27
Men's 65
24 posts
wooden major league bat's, solves the bat problem, juice um for senior ball LOL
March 14, 2011
batman27
Men's 65
24 posts
we could have them corked from the start then we already passed that hurdle
March 14, 2011
batman27
Men's 65
24 posts
use girls balls with that bat and we have a game
Sign-in to reply or add to a discussion or post your own message and start a new discussion. If you don't have a message board account, please register for a free nickname. It will only take a moment.
Senior Softball-USA
Phone: (916) 326-5303
Fax: (916) 326-5304
2701 K Street, Suite 101A
Sacramento, CA 95816
Send us e-mail
Senior Softball-USA is dedicated to informing and uniting the Senior Softball Players of America and the World. Senior Softball-USA sanctions tournaments and championships, registers players, writes the rulebook, publishes Senior Softball-USA News, hosts International Softball Tours and promotes Senior Softball throughout the world. More than 1.5 million men and women over 40 play Senior Softball in the United States today. »SSUSA History  »Privacy policy

Follow us on Facebook

Partners