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July 29, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Todays's Game (2)
(from previous discussion)
Einstein was/had the finest mind and made easily
the greatest contribution
to culture and thinking
in the 20th century but I don't think
any of you Sad clowns
could say what it was and why without turning on
a computer and looking him up in Wikipedia.
In fact, I'm sure of it
and the rest of us would be, too.
Yet, you would make fun so easily
of so wonderful, brilliant and important a man as you would of one another,
as brother pigs in your trough
and as if you had no sense or decency
or wit about you, at all.
You hold me in the greatest company
of men when you mock me as you would
Einstein, or Jesus, or Aristotle or
Voltaire or Malcolm X.
So mock away,
you ignorant and classless clowns
as you announce me over and over again
into the realm of mentors, heroes
and true friends
of my life and American culture.

SSUSA for some reason
thinks it's OK to have you crapping
on yourselves on this website irrespective
of any other specific effect
over and over again
even to disrespecting
over 2000 players and men of NCSSA who have put
together and maintain the best
senior softball
association in the country.

I don't think they think they need to respond
to repeated insults and disrespect of
the 2000 players and men of NorCal
by members of this website, repeatedly,
but I and others who have contacted me
think they should.
July 29, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
You will discuss anything to deflect what the actual question or topic is, just so you don't expose yourself.
July 29, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
only real men will accept to play with the 52 ball.
July 29, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
No, sir.
It is you trying to deflect attention
from what I just said.
It's very important.
Read it, again.
July 29, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
deflect,only real men can hit the 52 ball..........
July 29, 2011
gary c
411 posts
Jesus, Malcolm X and Joey Joe
God, Racist and a Wack Job
This is a softball site we don't want political statements
or religious views. You lost the debate MAN UP take your ass whipping and move on.
July 29, 2011
4x4
Men's 65
597 posts
This is off the subject - but

Bob - we all know you love/endorse/sleep with/massage the 52 ball. But to take it to the altar (pulpit/soap box) in seemily every thread is tedius and irritating.

It really does appear to be more to this than one/1/uno person that wants/sells (in print)/likes this ball. There appears to be an underlying cause to this "holy crusade" whether is is marketing in another's behalf or just to keep the pot stirred.

Stoney was like this a year or two ago and was an absolute jealot for the ball. He was receiving "sample" balls from a manufacturer hoping to stimulate interest as I recall and this sure appears to be a retread of the same tactic - for whatever the reason. Love of a ball - or - other considerations present or future.

I think I can speak for the the majority that we've gotten your message - you like them - OKAY - we got that part.

I also think that I can safely say that the majority has spoken and wants a quality ball and bat combo as espoused by Joe - also more than a few times.

The ball/bat combo wins in this case - the majority has spoken it over and over whether it has been that endorsement by each individual or subject matter for threads.

Conversely - the board has repeatedly indicated it does not want or accept the 52 ball.

If it can't be left at that - there is something else going on here - well beyond the realm of reason.

We all get the viewpoints and who makes them - we don't need to be bludgeoned by it.

You make a Jhadist's fervor look tame..........................

52 - okay YOU LIKE'EM - we got it!

Anything beyond this gives Joe's assertions more validation.

July 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
oh so it is ok for whiney to do the same crap,he is way out of line with his crap,suggesting that i am a bag man for some softball company and now you come on here and do the same,just thought you were better than that.wow what is in that water over in the bay area.
he goes and trashes peoples threads with his buffoonery and your telling me i'm doing that.please go and read his crap before the threads are deleted b/c of his posts.he will not answer point blank questions,he sidesteps any and every question with his"lively bats/balls" are the only way to play,regardless of the question being asked,he is a one trick pony and everyone knows it.and now you get on here and do the same crap,please child.....

maybe you should read the thread where someone asked "would you quit playing softball if they went back to usssa standards"guess what the majority said ,they would play...mmmmmm read before you post.the real players don't need the super combo you composite hero's need,they'll play with whatever the assoc deems.
July 30, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
4x4, I don't engage in the ball discussion because it is not an issue with me. The bats are. But reading your post it obvious you support Joe on this one. You could have lump both the 52 ball & the hot bat/ball debaters together in your thrashing, but really just chose the one. I sure don't think MD is anymore redundant in his post than Joe is. Do you? Just mentioning Joe repeats himself a few times is funny in itself.
"The ball/bat combo wins in this case - the majority has spoken it over and over whether it has been that endorsement by each individual or subject matter for threads."
DO you really think that the few folks that agree with Joe on here are the majority or just the majority that post. I would bet a good portion of the membership never flip on a computer or don't know how. A good chunk of them don't eve know the facts or reasons there is even a debate regarding this. This will be something that plays out over the winter time. Maybe not even this or even next winter, but it's sure to be addressed inthe future. JMO
July 30, 2011
gary c
411 posts
4x4
read joey joe's rambling posts then tell us who goes on and on saying the same things over and over
"lively bats and ball are a must for are game" BLA BLA BLA then you come in here and rag on mad dog.
Your boy just had a thread closed after attacking everyone who doesn't agree with him.
Read his post on this thread he brings politics and religion on to a softball site.
The personal attacks were started by your ideal Joey Joe
some of us come back at him some hide he is the bully in the school yard and when someone stands up to him he cry's and wants everyone to protect him.
July 30, 2011
Jawood
Men's 50
800 posts
SSUSA is NOT going to go to the 52 cor ball, especially if the other associations don't. Other than a few on the message board, I have never come across anyone in person that prefers going to that ball.
July 30, 2011
4x4
Men's 65
597 posts
Pricer - I'm tired of the constant beating of the war drums from a number of the folks on here. It's not a place to test our writing skills or for use as long diatribes.

As I said - I believe that the majority does want the good bat/ball combo. This has been restated by numerous individuals. Joe has made it his mantra and I noted it as more than a few times. We all get that too. But Joe and everyone that concurs is not asking to change anything away from what we currently have. That's the difference I see.

One is saying however redundantly - stick with/we will not ever accept less than.

The other is asking for a fundamental downgrade of the game using a change of skill set on a newish product that has been rejected in ever venue we've tried it - but the commercials keep coming. I have yet to find anyone in favor of the 52 ball other than Bob. But I've never heard anyone indicate they wanted to lessen the ball/bat combo.

If it were up to me I'd say the Baden Fire is a better ball for tourney play. That would be my choice as it is better when the heat builds up. There are others that are also good. The Trump ball changes the tournament half way through the day with it's poor heat related properties - to me this is not a good thing.

I believe these threads are to be used to inspire us as particpants in the sport we love. Dennis D & Tim M have started a couple of truly great topics.

I have played with and against everyone involved and like and enjoy their company and personalities.

Do I like the diatribes - nope, not really - but I like the commercials even less.

The mud-slinging has become a part of this and we'd be better off without it. It's a turn off and it undermines the integrity of the board driving many of us away.

If someone has something to say to and about me as an individual they can say it to me pesrsonally.

If someone wants to agree not to agree about a topic - that's what this forum is for.



July 30, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Sad Dog, Pricer and Gary C
all in line and chiming in.
Birds of feather, "flocking" together
What's the ball you guys keep pushing at us
52 x 275 for a kinder gentler game?

Debate and pressure will only keep revealing
more and more the character and value in us all.

Lively bats and balls are the only way to play our game.
It's as fundamental for any real player
as the ball we use, needs to be round.
Most people get this and for a variety of reasons,
some don't, don't want to and won't.

On with the argument and debate.

I stepped back waiting for SSUSA to enforce standards
for disparaging and characterless entries.
Apparently, I and some others
disagree with them on what constitutes
characterless and disparaging behavior.

So be it.






July 30, 2011
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
4x4,
Great job on your last two posts. Well said and to the point.

I kind of think some folks see your lips moving but, don't hear a word that you're saying. Somehow that doesn't surprise me in todays world.
July 30, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
4X4.
You're a great guy, teammate, hitter opponent and friend.
Thanks for trying to lend your wonderful character and intelligence
to this ongoing argument/situation.
Nothing that is said or done here
reflects on you in any way,
never can or will.
Glad to hear you're hitting 'em far and long, again.
July 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
Einstein was/had the finest mind and made easily
the greatest contribution
to culture and thinking
in the 20th century but I don't think
any of you Sad clowns
could say what it was and why without turning on
a computer and looking him up in Wikipedia.
In fact, I'm sure of it
and the rest of us would be, too.
Yet, you would make fun so easily
of so wonderful, brilliant and important a man as you would of one another,
as brother pigs in your trough
and as if you had no sense or decency
or wit about you, at all.
You hold me in the greatest company
of men when you mock me as you would
Einstein, or Jesus, or Aristotle or
Voltaire or Malcolm X.
So mock away,
you ignorant and classless clowns
as you announce me over and over again
into the realm of mentors, heroes
and true friends
of my life and American culture.

SSUSA for some reason
thinks it's OK to have you crapping
on yourselves on this website irrespective
of any other specific effect
over and over again
even to disrespecting
over 2000 players and men of NCSSA who have put
together and maintain the best
senior softball
association in the country.

I don't think they think they need to respond
to repeated insults and disrespect of
the 2000 players and men of NorCal
by members of this website, repeatedly,
but I and others who have contacted me
think they should.

______________________________________________

This is off the subject - but

Bob - we all know you love/endorse/sleep with/massage the 52 ball. But to take it to the altar (pulpit/soap box) in seemily every thread is tedius and irritating.

It really does appear to be more to this than one/1/uno person that wants/sells (in print)/likes this ball. There appears to be an underlying cause to this "holy crusade" whether is is marketing in another's behalf or just to keep the pot stirred.

Stoney was like this a year or two ago and was an absolute jealot for the ball. He was receiving "sample" balls from a manufacturer hoping to stimulate interest as I recall and this sure appears to be a retread of the same tactic - for whatever the reason. Love of a ball - or - other considerations present or future.

I think I can speak for the the majority that we've gotten your message - you like them - OKAY - we got that part.

I also think that I can safely say that the majority has spoken and wants a quality ball and bat combo as espoused by Joe - also more than a few times.

The ball/bat combo wins in this case - the majority has spoken it over and over whether it has been that endorsement by each individual or subject matter for threads.

Conversely - the board has repeatedly indicated it does not want or accept the 52 ball.

If it can't be left at that - there is something else going on here - well beyond the realm of reason.

We all get the viewpoints and who makes them - we don't need to be bludgeoned by it.

You make a Jhadist's fervor look tame..........................

52 - okay YOU LIKE'EM - we got it!

Anything beyond this gives Joe's assertions more validation.

______________________________________________

Pricer - I'm tired of the constant beating of the war drums from a number of the folks on here. It's not a place to test our writing skills or for use as long diatribes.

As I said - I believe that the majority does want the good bat/ball combo. This has been restated by numerous individuals. Joe has made it his mantra and I noted it as more than a few times. We all get that too. But Joe and everyone that concurs is not asking to change anything away from what we currently have. That's the difference I see.

One is saying however redundantly - stick with/we will not ever accept less than.

The other is asking for a fundamental downgrade of the game using a change of skill set on a newish product that has been rejected in ever venue we've tried it - but the commercials keep coming. I have yet to find anyone in favor of the 52 ball other than Bob. But I've never heard anyone indicate they wanted to lessen the ball/bat combo.

If it were up to me I'd say the Baden Fire is a better ball for tourney play. That would be my choice as it is better when the heat builds up. There are others that are also good. The Trump ball changes the tournament half way through the day with it's poor heat related properties - to me this is not a good thing.

I believe these threads are to be used to inspire us as particpants in the sport we love. Dennis D & Tim M have started a couple of truly great topics.

I have played with and against everyone involved and like and enjoy their company and personalities.

Do I like the diatribes - nope, not really - but I like the commercials even less.

The mud-slinging has become a part of this and we'd be better off without it. It's a turn off and it undermines the integrity of the board driving many of us away.

If someone has something to say to and about me as an individual they can say it to me pesrsonally.

If someone wants to agree not to agree about a topic - that's what this forum is for.

______________________________________________
Sad Dog, Pricer and Gary C
all in line and chiming in.
Birds of feather, "flocking" together
What's the ball you guys keep pushing at us
52 x 275 for a kinder gentler game?

Debate and pressure will only keep revealing
more and more the character and value in us all.

Lively bats and balls are the only way to play our game.
It's as fundamental for any real player
as the ball we use, needs to be round.
Most people get this and for a variety of reasons,
some don't, don't want to and won't.

On with the argument and debate.

I stepped back waiting for SSUSA to enforce standards
for disparaging and characterless entries.
Apparently, I and some others
disagree with them on what constitutes
characterless and disparaging behavior.

So be it.

______________________________________________

so AI33 what are these posts,nothing but hot air.pete gets on here and degrades us the same way whiney does.
do you really want to know how this all got started.a bunch of guys whining about the pitcher getting blasted and the PPR being instituted,this was almost 3 years back or better.but yet these same people want the hottest equipment they can get their hands on,sounds a little selfish to me.at that time i said all we need to change is one thing,the ball,the help protect the pitcher.the 52 ball does that and it is ok to hit,hell if i can hit it,95% of the guys on here should be able to hit this ball.i have played tourneys and my league uses this ball.i play with the kids and have played senior tourney with it,and guess what,i'm hitting the ball,unless 11-13 in a tourney is not good.against the kids i hold my own at 61,bats in the hi 600's,with some pop.so quit telling me this ball is not fun or can't be hit.
July 30, 2011
4x4
Men's 65
597 posts
OK Bob -

Not degrading anyone on here you seem to have too much fun doing that to yourself.........

It's good you had a .923 tourney and hit in the 600's - but.......

We get it ! ! ! - YOU-YOU-YOU like hitting the 52 ball - now it's YOUR turn to get it - the rest of us DON'T-DON'T-DON'T

It doesn't take an "Einstein" to figure that out. We're not replacing the ether theory here...............
July 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
pete calling me a terrorists,bag man,bat doctor,cowardly,and many others by you and this so call speaker for the majority is ok,yeah right...... and oh,it was started by your buddy,not i.he feels it to be ok to berate and degrade anyone who does not think the way he does...if you will go read the thread about if you would still play,if the bats and balls went to USSSA specs,you will see the majority said they would STILL PLAY.so watch out for your buddy,oh by the way, is an admitted cheater.......
July 30, 2011
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
4x4,
Another calm non degrading post. Well done.

Look for the 52 ball Senior Softball circuit run by mad dog coming to your area in the not so near (never) future.

Maybe he should play with the kids all the time. Then we wouldn't have to listen to him.
July 30, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
4x4, I appreciate your honesty regarding this. I don't agree that asking questions and getting everything but answers have anything to do with testing our writing skills or for use as long diatribes.It's also OK to believe that the majority does want the good bat/ball combo. I have no problem with that either. If you go back and read my post, I ask a question that really is a yes or no answer and you see what I received in return. I have not ask for anyone to join my cause. I indicate what I feel and when someone feels a need or ablility to question my opinions, I'll ask for facts. If you folks want to continue using the hot ball/bat combo, by all means thats a choice you now have. I beleive it will change in the future and this is what has folks in an uproar. It's not our choice and it never has been. The composite bats are here now because of cost factors a few years back. With insurance cost going up along with legal matters involving these bats. Cost have gone up for all. It's becoming no longer cost effective. In the most simple terms, there are manufactures who are in the process of changing how they produce bats. The makers of these bats will not spend money to make the new bats to save money and look to keep a really small portion of there biz (senior bats) that is no longer feesible to make. Facts!!!
July 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
pricer we lost 2 players in the last 6 weeks both with broken hands,1 guy just last weekend to a broken hand playing with our hot stuff,this week,our thurs nite kids league had the ambulance come and get a guy for a batted ball injury and that is using an ASA bat with the same ball we use with the senior hot bats,guess how much damage that can do to a senior when they get hit.my monday parks and recs league had 5 major surgery's last year b/c of using the 44 ball,with only ASA/USSSA bats,they went to 52 balls this,and no major injury's so far.they do not want to see what is around the corner waiting for them.USSSA is on the verge of really backing off on the bats,they already have done it to the balls,but i guess no one here believes its coming and it has not one thing to do with what you,i or anyone thinks......
July 30, 2011
4x4
Men's 65
597 posts
Pricer -

As a direct answer to the question that you have posed. In speaking to fellow ball players coast to coast and internationally the one thing that is a constant is the excitement over hitting. Bats are discussed regularly and everyone has their own preference to what suits their needs. I would contend that 95% or more indicate they are are happy with the bats currently in hand based on the folks I see. The more common topic is the bat longevity.

Now away from bats in general............

When you discuss hitting (which I find different from the bat discussion). You will find the higher the echelon of team mates the discussion turns not to bats but the science of hitting - you will find a group of guys - not looking around - kind of watching the games but at the same time talking about hitting - hitting - hitting - form - timing - over and over. The top notch teams never stop pooling their info and refining/defining their knowledge, skill, and application of it. It's a discussion that never stops - you can have a group of 4-6-8 guys together and find them constantly fine tuning. And because of the nature of what we're trying to accomplish (as soon as you're killing the ball for a long time - zip - there it goes and time to revisit what you'd taken for granted) the conversation is ongoing and continuous. They become each others cheerleaders, evaluators,critics, and coaches. It doesn't just happen around BP.
July 30, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
I agree with the lower portion of your statement, but I think the numbers up top are off. Not the folks you talked to, but softball in general. But thanks for the quick & precise response.
July 30, 2011
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Just my 2 cents worth.we play in a 50 and over senior league on Sunday night here in Austin. It is ASA rules......we hit the 44 .375 ball, and we have to use approved ASA bats.......we have men in this league from 50 to 75 years old. I have been playing in this league for over 5 years and we have "never" had a player hurt bad enough he had to be carried off the field by using the 44 .375 bal, ever !

Just my 2 cents worth.........
July 30, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
It doesn't matter that 2 guys broke their hands or their toes.
Players have always gotten hurt and not more regularly since composites regardless of the hype,
fear mongering and guilt manipulation
and they will always get hurt but
to remove the essential risk which need be assumed by all players,
would change and kill spirit, adrenaline and excitement of our game
and this is and would be unacceptable regardless of any other condition.
This is irrefutable and has been referred to by many of the posters on the site.

The 52 ball was supposed to hit as well as the balls we were using
is exactly what I was told but
it's not even close and so restricted in flight
it will create not reduce more tension and frustration for the batters
having to learn a less intuitive way of swinging and reacting at the plate.

It can be easily argued and demonstrated that having to learn to undercut a ball
is counter intuitive to natural eye-hand reflex reaction of swinging when challenged
and hitting the middle of it
as more than one of the posters on the site has said
in that hitting the 52 ball seemed to punish batters for hitting it hard and well
and reward them for miss-hits.
Maybe Robert this explains why as a 60 + year old AAA player
you were 11 for 13 playing with the kids.
And how old did you say those kids were?

Many as well as I have spoken of the "kicking' of the ball through the infield
and outfield when it bounces off something hard.
This is very unnerving and will create more tension when playing and more injuries
for fielders than with 44x375 or 44 x 400 or 47 by 525 balls.

To punish the entire population for what only some of the players may or may not be doing
when using loaded and/or shaved bats
is adolescent at best and humiliatingly wrong
and will create unfair and undue frustration and repression
right through the fabric of the entire softball community.

Trying to call myself and the terrific guys, girls and players I have played with and against
since becoming a senior
wrong headed, insecure or lesser athletes and people
is not only ignorant and unfair
it's PREPOSTEROUS and the stuff of Nazi like mind-set and propaganda.

And lastly for now,
the nature of us who live and play both softball and senior softball is positive and honorable
bent on sportsmanship and fairness, with few exceptions who will go unmentioned,
and the movement to use hot bats is fueled by not wanting to be cheated or punked
by TD's who bought/used dumbed down balls
or the perception that their opponents would be using loaded bats.
The movement toward hotter bats by players is SITUATIONAl and has been encouraged
wittingly and unwittingly to try to argue that the only way to solve all our problems
is to dumb down the bat/ball combo for EVERYONE.

By busting cheaters which is normal, intelligent and adult in a civilized society like ours
is meant to be,
the players wouldn't worry about being punked out and embarrassed at tournaments
with their families and friends often in attendance.

It is my sincere belief as a player, manager, spectator and coach
as it is of most to all of the players I have spoken with
that any movement to a 52 x 275 ball in senior or open ball
is bent on creating unnecessary and undue frustration and tension
on so many levels that it will drive players from wanting to play and invest
in our sport in the future.




July 30, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
It's not a place to test our writing skills or for use as long diatribes.
July 30, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
You're such a fact guy, Jeff
why not respond to the points I made
and have continually made
or is nothing your response.
July 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
you talk like you know all about hitting,would you say the guys on the long haul bomber tour know anything,well guess what they say,they say, so and so was really spinning the ball today and that is why he was getting so much distance,but i guess guys like bj fulk,brett helmer,jeff hall,denny crine, and the rest of them don't know a thing,only the great whiney does.
when you learn to hit then i think you should be allowed to talk on it,but since you know nothing you should just shut up and quit giving out bad advice,when you say to hit the center of the ball,doing that causes the ball to knuckle and you loose distance,check out a physics program why don't you........


so 2 guys getting hands broken is nothing to you,just goes to show how really callous you really are toward your fellow senior softballer.


yeah your so right i play against little kids,what a buffoon you are,your room is waiting over in NAPA for you,better hurry up before you miss your jello.
July 30, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
That's for home run hitters and contests
where they know what the pitch is ahead of time,
and the timing of a pitcher
who's getting paid to throw them meatballs.
They're swinging with loaded bats
and exploding softballs oftentimes
can aim and take their good/sweet time
with their swing,
dontcha know, to put on a good show.

Do you REALLY think that's the same thing.
Do you REALLY think that home run derby
or batting practice and regular hitting
in a competitive situation
with a pitcher trying to get you out
are the same thing?
A pitcher with a knuckleball thrown into the wind wouldn't require quicker more instinctive reactions in order to hit a ball
well at all
don't you think???

That's not what the guys on TV were talking about regarding home run contest in the All-Star game.
They said the swinging was different and that guys like Prince Fielder have had a difficult time since then because they had to change their swings for the event.

I'm gonna ask you again.
Do you think the approach to hitting competitively is dynamically
the same as in a Home Run hitting contest or event like Long Haul Bombers?
Anybody wanna comment?

And what of the regular players
who aren't the freaks that Fulk, Crine,
Jeff Hall and the rest are.
Can they afford to rely on extra capabilities
and support as the Bombers can
when they step into the box.

The best hitter I ever saw or played with
is still playin' senior ball, Bobbie.
Clatta.
Ever look at his video appearance one of
Ken Van Bogart's monster hitting videos?
Says aim dead center on the ball
and it maximizes your chances to get on base.
miss a little high, top spin
Dead center, crushing stupid knuckleball
miss a little low, back spin and out.

Aim to hit dead center and hit it as hard
as you can said Clatta
and he's still the best at 64
but I don't think he plays AAA
like you, Bobbie.
July 30, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
It's not a place to test our writing skills or for use as long diatribes.
July 30, 2011
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
Well boy's.
What's wrong ?
The cat got your tongue ??
July 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
again you show your ignorance about hitting a softball.would you believe your buddy art eversole,or is he full of crap.try reading senior softball news volume 24 number 1 spring 2011 edition.go to page 3 read the article
"FIVE KEYS TO BETTER HITTING" pay particular attention to tip 4 to quote him "under spin makes the ball carry farther,than a direct hit into the ball or a top spin strike.strike the ball just below the imaginary equator of the softball to produce the proper under spinning action." now if you don't want to read it,maybe you can call him since your buddies and see what he will tell you.so like i said,quit giving out very bad advice on how to hit a softball.you do not know anything about hitting if thats your way of doing it.

oh AI33 if you agree with this clown then i'm gonna say you don't know a whole bunch about proper hitting either.
July 30, 2011
saddlebrookrick
55 posts
A133 and 4x4 all you said is exactly right-mad dog tell us again about the great 52ball and how you are such agreat hitter we haven't heard it but 100 times already, and how anyone that doesn't like it can't hit. You are a little man with a big mouth that sees things one way-your way. Now go ahead and attack, I'll be ok.
July 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
really saddle,you can think all you want,last i knew it was a free country.but if you want to join those that feel the need to degrade people go right ahead.please don't feel frighten that the 52 ball will take your manhood away like the ohters.

now for my best whiney response to you,you are a no-nothing anonymous nobody who hasn't the stones to identify your self,so your opinion is not worth anything,so go ahead and talk,maybe you should go read the article yourself.......
July 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
oh for you guys who can't read,there is 16 pictures of brett kreugs hitting with the article.
July 30, 2011
gary c
411 posts
saddle
I did not know you were one of JOEY JOEY'S minions read your boys posts before you attack anyone else.
We call guys like you and einstink SOTTBALL WHORES
July 30, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
garyc,he is at least 2-1 if not 3-1 with his rants to mine,but hey guess his rants are to long and boring to read,so they feel the need to call me out.as pricer said,it is not him or i that will effect the change,the assoc's are doing it on their own,they just won't take their heads out of the sand to look.


went and did some more research on podunk,and out of the 105 teams(as of 7-24-2011,per their website)35 teams played in 2 tourneys or less,25 played in 1 tourney or none,guess that is really thriving.
July 31, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
You continue to disparage and denigrate
the entire association of NCSSA in NorCal and all it's members
the best regional association in the country
showing all of us who and what you are not,
your utter lack of character and class.
Thankfully, you don't represent the rest of the AAA softball community and mind set.

I/we would take you apart and
destroy for your insult and intention gladly and easily
but you, Sad one, have beat us to it.

You have defined and indicted YOURSELF
over and over again,
across the whole softball community to be without character,
a truly sad and mad dog
full of denial, resentment and bad intention
who, in his need to strike out and tear at me and all of us,
for his own shortcomings
has mortally wounded himself instead.

And that was a 52x275 ball that you're pushing at us,
right and for what reasons again having to do with character
and integrity of players and our game?


July 31, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
really,your are the sad one,it must be lonely in your sad little world,maybe NAPA SHOULDN'T EVEN LET YOU OUT.


have you talk to your buddy art yet,to get your answer on how to really hit.


oh my AAA butt still challenges you to a 10 on 10,you and me.......
July 31, 2011
gary c
411 posts
Podunk Joe
You are not the softball community. So please don't represent yourself as the word of God.
You live in fantasy land surrounded by the United States.
There is a big world out there of normal everyday people who
don't think like you do.
So have you little tournaments and tell each other how great you are and leave us alone in the real world.
30 bucks for a tournament tell me where to send you a back up ball so you don't have to chase foul balls before you can start playing again
July 31, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
You don't have the stones or fundamental decency
to stand up and in for yourself when making
personal criticisms and comments
means
you are less than nothing to any and all of us.
Less than nothing.
And that would be a majority opinion.

And your buddy is Mad dog,
the Sad Dog with his Sad ball
as you both disrespect the friends,
fellow players, real men and women of NCSSA
with your characterless, self serving and disrespectful comments
OVER and OVER again.

We look forward to taking this up with either
or both of you
at an appropriate time and place.

In the meantime,
SSUSA doesn't think this merits taking a stand
on the website while more and more of our members
are saying they do.

July 31, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
and your minions who post without any info in their profile are no better,why don't you call them out,oh they agree with you so thats ok,there is your hypocrite right there.talk about disrespectful,i really don't think you know the meaning or you would never post the crap that you do,just remember you get what you put out......


come now do tell us how to really hit,i'm sure you have called your buddy art by now,still waiting on that answer,and also the 10 on 10 you and me.......


oh your room is ready...
July 31, 2011
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
mad dog, read the qoutes below.

"So and so was really spinning the ball today and that is why he was getting so much distance. That's for home run hitters and contests."

"Ever look at his video appearance one of
Ken Van Bogart's monster hitting videos?
Says AIM dead center on the ball
and it maximizes your chances to get on base.
miss a little high, top spin
Dead center, crushing stupid knuckleball
miss a little low, back spin and out."

Pay particular attention the word "AIM". Chances of hitting it dead center all the time is slim and none.

"Art Eversole tip 4 to quote him "under spin makes the ball carry farther,than a direct hit into the ball or a top spin strike.strike the ball just below the imaginary equator of the softball to produce the proper under spinning action."

All these basically say the same thing. Dead center = knuckle ball, Above center = top spin, below center = back spin for max distance.

What's so difficult to understand about that? Do you think the Long Haul Bombers are trying to get top spin or hit dead center for distance? Duh!
Did you watch the USA against Canada? After the USA ran out of home runs, do you think they were trying to get back spin? Duh! They were hitting rockets either dead center or with top spin to keep it in the park.

Do you think a singles hitter should be looking to get back spin for distance? Duh!

Keep playing with the kids, maybe they'll listen to you keep patting yourself on the back.






July 31, 2011
gary c
411 posts
Why Joey Joe are you threatening me with physical violence?
Not very Frisco of you. I guess the flowers in your long white hair must have died.
You wine to Dave then threaten me and call mad dog everything in the book. HYPOCRITE
A133 one of Joey Joes minions
NY Frisco one in the same I know why you think like Joeystine
Aug. 1, 2011
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
gary c,

Read the following last four posts from you:

"read joey joe's rambling posts then tell us who goes on and on saying the same things over and over
"lively bats and ball are a must for are game" BLA BLA BLA then you come in here and rag on mad dog.
Your boy just had a thread closed after attacking everyone who doesn't agree with him.
Read his post on this thread he brings politics and religion on to a softball site.
The personal attacks were started by your ideal Joey Joe
some of us come back at him some hide he is the bully in the school yard and when someone stands up to him he cry's and wants everyone to protect him."

"Podunk Joe
You are not the softball community. So please don't represent yourself as the word of God.
You live in fantasy land surrounded by the United States.
There is a big world out there of normal everyday people who
don't think like you do.
So have you little tournaments and tell each other how great you are and leave us alone in the real world.
30 bucks for a tournament tell me where to send you a back up ball so you don't have to chase foul balls before you can start playing again"

"Why Joey Joe are you threatening me with physical violence?
Not very Frisco of you. I guess the flowers in your long white hair must have died.
You wine to Dave then threaten me and call mad dog everything in the book. HYPOCRITE
A133 one of Joey Joes minions
NY Frisco one in the same I know why you think like Joeystine"


"saddle, I did not know you were one of JOEY JOEY'S minions read your boys posts before you attack anyone else.
We call guys like you and einstink SOTTBALL WHORES"

Are you kidding me? It's somewhat comical reading your use of the english language. You seem to be a very hateful person. I feel sorry for you.










Aug. 1, 2011
gary c
411 posts

We look forward to taking this up with either
or both of you
at an appropriate time and place.
Joey what did you mean by that.
I offered to help you out with your little tournament
and this is how you repay me. I am not sending you a BP ball now you will only have one ball for the Pelosi Cup.

Don't put me down about my use of the English language your are a school teacher look at the schools in California that's your fault.
Aug. 1, 2011
gary c
411 posts
A133
I thought the last post was by your PARTNER Joey Joe
Frisco and NY have so much in common
that's why you two little stinkers like each other.
Where did I threaten Joey Joe?
You don't ID yourself einstine says your gutless because you don't. If you want to be a good minion please ID yourself.
Aug. 1, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
It's ok to support one another, but let these men defend for themselves.
Aug. 1, 2011
doker
Men's 60
168 posts
HEY MADDOG..BOB...MISSED YA IN COLLEGE STATION!!! BY THE WAY, YOUR GUY WAS NOT HURT BY A BATTED BALL ...HE WAS PLAYING SS AND A THROW FROM THE SECOND BASEMAN(ACTUALLY A VERY SLOW TOSS)HIT HIM ON THE PINKY AND FRACTURED IT...JUST A FREAK OF AN ACCIDENT!!!......I LIKE READING THE BLOG HERE BUT YOU AND EINSTEIN NEED TO GET YOURSELVES TOGETHER AND STOP RUINING THE SIGHT HERE FOR THE REST OF US.....YOU SOUND LIKE OUR LEGISLATORS IN WASHINGTON!!!! WE ARE GROWN MEN AND CAN BE CIVIL TO ONE ANOTHER!!! AT LEAST ON A COMPUTER SIGHT????..DOKER
Aug. 1, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
doker sounds like a good idea,but when you can't have a thread without all the vile he brings or the long rants to muck up a thread,what do you do,i do not and will not tolerate it.someone asks how to protect the pitcher(approx 3 years ago)i give a suggestion and then get ranted on,so guess what.......

also still the 44 ball causing the injury.


AI33 you have proved my point,hit just south of center get back spin and ball travels,now please tell your boy.hitting a ball dead center gets a knuckle ball and i don't see many of those going out of the park.....
Aug. 1, 2011
perly
88 posts
SSUSA, this is your website. You have established standards for participation. Don't you think it's time to contact some of these individuals about thier name calling, threats, classless comments and general lack of respect for each other. I don't want to see anyone banned from posting but there has to be some control over how far you let this bantering back and forth goes.

This is such a great forum for us senior softball players and it's a shame that a few guys have tuned it into a verbal war zone and everyone who reads these post is a hostage.

Post your opinions, state your facts, except the other sides views and debate with class.

Aug. 1, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
Perly, would you be referring this to everyone or just the folks who you don't agree with? I only ask because almost at every step along the way, you have supported one of the cuplrits.
Aug. 1, 2011
doker
Men's 60
168 posts
COME ON DOG!!! YOU REALLY DO SOUND LIKE A LEGISLATOR!!!....44CORE 52CORE 16INCH....BASKETBALL....ANY BALL CUD HAVE POPPED HIS FINGER!!! DOKER
Aug. 1, 2011
gary c
411 posts
Aug. 25, 2010
gary c Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: tournaments for league bats only

who do you contact to float the idea of having some tournaments with bats that we use in league and no hot bats?

That was the first post I made on this site.
I was called every name in the book
My talent was questioned and that anyone that thought like me was out to ruin the game.
It was einstein who else.
That started the war of words and if you look back anyone who disagrees with him is attacked
and accused of trying to ruin HIS GAME.
I will not start a fight but I will not sit here and be attacked by people who don't know me.
If I offend you I am sorry but the culprit on this site is Joe the web site bully
Aug. 1, 2011
perly
88 posts
Pricer

I am referring to everyone who has participated in the personal attacks.

I have said numerous times I like the current bat/ball combo. That said, I am not supporting any particular person because I don't know you, einstien, GaryC, Gary19, mad dog, Al33, Doker, Saddle, #6, etc. At least, I don't know you by your website name.

I think debate is a good thing. I've often disagreed with you and probably will continue to disagree with you on occasion. You've also disagreed with me, but we've both been respectful in our comments.
Aug. 1, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
622 posts
I respect your comments. I also agree that there’s no need to get personal, but I do believe the culprit who throws the first stone should be the one expelled. Some folks are just trying to defend themselves either personally, professionally or retain their softball integrity. JMO
Aug. 1, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1995 posts
Pricer-it is like arguing with a six year old-can to, can not, can to, can not, you're just a big _____, no you are, I am rubber you are glue...... and some adults take the insults further. I have decided to stay out of this even if insulted. The players I have played with know me well enough and what someone says on here is not going to make a hill of beans to the people that matter to me.
Aug. 1, 2011
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
sorry guys, but being the one getting verbally abuse by this character einstien,i felt the need to go back,yes i prolly could be better and not do it,but like garyc said,ya post one thing and you get verbally lambasted by this guy for trying to ruin his game,last i knew it was our game,(mine was in response to pitch protection-use the 52 ball).

you can't post facts for him as he won't read them,or completely disregards them.he will then go off on another tangent to attempt take it off subject.he will not answer questioning that are directly asked of him,just more tangents that go off subject,maybe you people who think he is the good guy might talk with him and get him to have a civil conversation with us.....


DOKER ,MAYBE BUT IT WAS THE 44 BALL THAT DID IT............... JUST SAYING.....
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