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Jan. 9, 2009
Bob50
Men's 60
239 posts
I was killed last night.
I was killed last night

I pitched in a game where Ultras were allowed last night. The weather was clear. The field conditions were good. The lights were good. The player protection rule was in effect. I was hit in the head so at least the batter was out. But now Iím dead.

My thinking going into senior softball with this pitcher protection rule was that it would allow some protection for me so maybe I just wasnít alert as I should be. Maybe I was a little tired also. I had played quite a few games recently. Too bad I wasnít hit in my shin guards instead. But now Iím dead.

Now people will probably say that I shouldnít have been pitching but Iím a good pitcher. Iím also a decent defender with good reflexes. But that ball was on me before I could react. Iím sure the hitter was just trying to hit a hard shot to my right or left but he missed his location and hit me instead. So now Iím dead.

A lot of hitters can hit to a location real well some canít and donít care. We used an extra infielder to take away the middle but it didnít get to him. We thought we had him read. So now Iím dead.

With two strikes on him he had to hit my pitch. I gave him a tough one to hit but he did what he couldóup the middle it came and as I have said-- now I am dead.

The point of the story is that there is no protection really in the rules. By removing the limit on homeruns wonít guarantee that the pitcher wont be hit. Certainly the dead ball out for hitting the pitcher is ineffective. Should a batter be safe who tries to hit the pitcher and doesnít. No. Should the hitter who tries to hit the middle and hits the pitcher be out. Probably. Will this stop either one from happening. Probably not.

It seems to me that if you want to protect the pitcher itís the location of the hit that should be the determining factor. If it travels thru the pitchers box on the ground or in the air at a height that could or does hit the pitcher there should be a penalty. The penalty needs to be severe if you want to protect the pitcher. We know the bats wont change. So now Iím dead or maybe somebody else. The question isócan we afford to wait?
Jan. 9, 2009
DQ 8
Men's 50
12 posts
I wonder if you would still be alive if you had been wearing a mask? This is an equipment issue not a rules issue!!!!!!!

I have seen some guys wearing them and nobody says a word to them. Most of us think that they are smart to do it. I got hit in the mouth with a bad hop while playing baseball and lost teeth, so I have some idea what kind of damage can be done in the blink of an eye and how much pain is involved as well as the recovery time and expenses associated with the injury.

I hope you will take this in the spirit in which it is intended, because I don't want to see anyone get hurt. I also don't want to make changes to the game if we don't have to.

JMO

DQ
Jan. 9, 2009
the wood
1076 posts
Bob, it's too bad that you were killed... next time, wear a helmet... or don't pitch.
I was almost killed when driving 55 MPH but my air bag and safety harness saved me.
BW
Jan. 9, 2009
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
But by putting on the helmet doesn't that say hit here to some people?
Jan. 9, 2009
ROOSTER10
Men's 60
91 posts
Guys if you see a picher with all kind of gear on in your mind
you will hit the middle more even though there are alot of
other parts of the body exposed.Ipitch and got my finger
broke at the winter nat. in Fl. I consider myself a good fieding pitcher but i had a lapse figuring they will stay away
from me because it will be a out. WRONG! I do not know where it will all come down to but the out rule is not the way
i believe to help the problem.
Jan. 9, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Changes go with everything we do. I was a rodeo rider for many years and a pretty damn good one.Riding 2000 lbs worth of bull is the most dangerous sport there is. Through all the years that I rode I was never seriously injured( beat up and bruised real bad), a lot of luck!If any of you watch bull riding either live or on tv, you will see that some of the riders are wearing the approved safety helmets.SOME DO NOT !
Jan. 9, 2009
the wood
1076 posts
Should we presume that the pitcher would be safer without the rule? I know that some folks consider the PPR to be a false sense of security.
Do they also feel that ABS braking give the driver a false sense of security? ABS = automatic braking system
Are we not better off with the PPR than without it?
BW
Jan. 9, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Bob,
Great way to make a point.
Storytelling at its best.
However,
I was nearly killed this morning:

- driving to work
when the tractor trailer moved without notice
into my lane from the right.
- walking out into the street to get into my truck
at 8 am, the thick of rush hour
- walking by a desperate-eyed street person
mumbling that he wanted to kill someone
And,
it's not even noon yet.

No guts, no glory.
If they made our game free of potential for serious bodily injury
they'd call it checkers.

That new ball/bat combo than TOC is buzzing about is going to take the lead out of our pencils.
Castrate all of us who love to hit the ball hard and watch it go when we do.
It will emasculate us and the game we have been playing since grammar school.

A huge investment has been and is being made to convince
this is in all our best interests.
No, it's not.
Jan. 9, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Nothing will change. Batters like myself, will go middle, Pitchers like myself, will get hit.
Gear is optional and I wear some.

Perhaps if those who make the rules, had to actually live out a few too many innings experiencing it in real tournament games a real "protection" rule may come about. Maybe taking a couple of shots would help. Well at least the batter was out. lol

Bob 50, Maybe in your next life, become a bat or ball as a hit-er instead of the hit-ee.
Jan. 9, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
#6
I watched some clips the other day and did see helmets, full body wrap around padding and even a few leg coverings. First time I saw any of that but it did keep some of those guys from some serious injury.
Jan. 9, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
taits, it is unbelievable protection.
Jan. 9, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
I#6 i saw some horns go into one guys side (or would have) had itnot been for the body wear. Helmet is a given.
Caught me off guard watching them use it.

But, walking a mile in my shoes might be fitting here.
Jan. 9, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
taits,
I got hung up on a really big bull in Mesquite, they video taped it. After I recovered, I watch it ONE time, or should I say I started watching it.It was so bad that I have never watched it again.
Jan. 9, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
taits,
On another note, do you plan on playing in any of the tournaments in Texas this year?
Jan. 9, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
#6
Hand or leg? Both could be deadly, just like a ball. Still get the inkling? Probably.
Jan. 9, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
taits,
Arm, thrown completely on the other side and couldn't get loose.Collar bone, shoulder and hand.Wasn't good !
Jan. 9, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
#6
I do not know of any teams that play there. I might like to get back to the Houston area again. I lived in Pasadena for 3 years & had a cabin to go to on lake Travis. Your area i believe.
A Long drive for a weekend.
Jan. 9, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
taits,
we are playing in Pasadena Feb. 20-22.Its a 50.55.60.65.
Jan. 9, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Back then softball wasn't heard of. Where is the park? I'll look on a map for it.
Jan. 9, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Bob, the best protection if you really want or need it is proactively through the equipement, not reactively with some silly after rule after the deed has been done.

I can see masks, but why helmets? Who gets hit anywhere from their face? Do guys really turn their heads, or duck?

Why would a helmet say "hit me"? Why would you ever want to hit a ball directly at a guy wearing a glove? Why would you want to make an out?
Jan. 9, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
taits,
Kipper Mease Fields, does that ring a bell?
Jan. 9, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
#6
I'll go look, but sure doesn't ring a bell at all. the Beltway toll road wasn't there.
I lived off La Porte Fwy for a year then off Bridgeway I think it was.
Jan. 9, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
That sure wasn't there, neither was the one off allen genoa rd.
I traveled the 45 almost every day to Galveston.
Nice to see a BLD there though. That park off allen g looks like it is also nice.
Jan. 9, 2009
Airbosn
Men's 65
321 posts
While killing time in a used book store I spotted a 1962 softball book written by a PhD (M.E. Kneer) from the University of Illinois.

"The rules for fast and slow pitch vary concerning the use of masks and other protectors. These protectives devices are recommended for slow pitch but are not required".

Protective equipment is for those times when the unexpected occurs. Airbags, Faceshields, Body Armor, etc.

Dirty...I have seen many seniors wearing a Lacross helmet and some wearing a catchers protective helmet.
Jan. 9, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I realize that, but how do you get hit in the top of the head, or the back?
Jan. 9, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Dirty,
I couldn"t resist.Miss a high pop up(hit on top of the head) or have a wild throwing 3B(hit in the back)
Jan. 9, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
#6: Two years ago, I saw a pitcher get down on one knees & the short stop, throw the ball home. This pitcher was about 15 feet in front of that short stop.

The SS, turned & fired a rocket to home. Only problem, that SS, hit the pitcher in the back / top of his own pitchers head.

What a sound ! That ball hit that pitcher so hard; that ball flow over the first base dugout.

The pitcher, was out for about 10 minutes. This pitcher, was sent to the hospital. Two hours later, that pitcher came back to the fields, but, did not play ball for several weeks.

The other teams pitcher, wore a Field Hockey, helmet / mask.
==============================================

In the 70's & 80's, I saw & spoke to over a hand full of pitchers that lost teeth; got hit in the mouth with line drives.
Several had over half of their teeth knocked out.

Most players do not go after pitchers. But, hit my pitcher & I am sure that their will alway be more than just one player on one of my teams, that will go after the other teams pitcher.I also, have seen many team go after another pitcher, once that teams pitcher got hit the second time or buzzed, too close. Too much ID & EGO.
Nice respond # 6.
THi-J
Jan. 9, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
HI-JACKER, I was playing A ball years ago. There was a hard hit ground ball to 3B, the pitcher turned and looked towards 1B assuming since the 3B came up with it clean that there was going to be a play at 1B. What he didn't see was the 3B drop the ball more than once and when the pitcher didn't see the play made at 1B he turned around to see what happened to the ball. You guessed it, the 3B was so pissed that he bobbled the ball that he fired a rocket across the diamond and hit his pitcher in the mouth, was one of the nastiest things I have ever seen on the ball diamond. His mouth had to be wired shut, lost a bunch of teeth and live on liquids for about 1 year, he was a great pitcher, very good hitter with a lot of speed on the bases, after that injury he never played again. We have tried to get him to come play senior ball, but NO WAY !
tAKE CARE.
Jan. 9, 2009
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
186 posts
I am here at the TOC and watched the all star game on wed. It was actually a very good game to watch. The SSUSA combined all age groups and yes they did use a different ball. There was 3 homeruns hit in the game and all of them were hit by the smaller guys playing. Wayne from the New York Statesman, who is in his sixties hit a towering home run to right field. I think he is sixty four. If a 64 year old man can hit a ball that far how can you complain? There was a great defensive play made by the pitcher on the national team where the line drive was hit with a lot of authority (one of the bigger players) but he said he saw the ball all the way and made the play. Now with a 375 or higher compression ball he would have never even seen it, because it was hit that hard. If you are a good hitter with a good swing then you should not have any problem hitting this ball.
The best part about this is that after they used this ball no one complained about it at all. There is no bat/ball combo complaints from anyone here. I know some people are getting a little bent out of shape about the talk about bat/ball combo, but as far as I know and I do know there is not going to be any change about the bat or balls. You need to concentrate on the balls going over the fence being outs. This is just an honest opinion. Good Luck to everyone this year.
Gorilla Boy
Friend Of Jerry Garcia
Jan. 9, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
#19.
Whatcha got?
Jan. 9, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
#19,Did you hear there is another tournament the weekend after Pasadena in San Antonio?
Jan. 9, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
I was assured by Kevin Schulstrom that his "new" ball
was not intended for Senior Softball.
He chided me that SSUSA had a contract with him
to supply 44x375 for years to come.

Dave Dowell assured me last year,
all year in fact, that 44x375 balls and 1.2 bats
would be the senior standard in SSUSA.

That''s not what we're hearing and seeing, now.
Jan. 9, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
EINSTEIN: Joe, give it a break. The ball that SS-USA, has a contract with is Trump / Anaconda Sports. This is also, the same ball, that is used in many NSA, leagues, across the States.

The cor & cover, I believe is also, the same that Dudly, uses. (44 cor / 375 comp balls)

As far as bats, I have never heard, seen, or received any e-mail, stating that the 1.20 BPS, was not going to be used in SS-USA. There is the possiblity, that the ASTM F 1890 bat standard may get revised. (I beleive, this has already been done.)

Joe, SS-USA, is no dumbie. SS-USA, SENIOR ball is doing better than most Senior Associations. WHY? SS-USA, tries to use the better ball with the Senior Bats.

There may be two side to this issue. 1) those that want to hit the ball hard. 2) those that do not care about hitting the ball hard. 3) those that care / do not care about hitting Home Runs. 4) Last, those that have all the answers / those that do not have all the answers / those that think they have all the answers.

Smile, be happy Joe. Why, worry about, what if? Joe, you do have NorCal, to play in.

THi-J
Jan. 9, 2009
GT
Men's 60
162 posts
#6. Kipper Mease is Feb. 21 and 22. Jim Tharp and I are running it. Looking like it will hit 2 days, since I am getting so many teams that want to play. Trying to keep it to one day, but it would be all day Saturday If we did. Glad your coming. Should be a good one. Be nice to see a lot of the out of town guys that are coming. Good way to start the year. Ya Ed(Dallas Spurs) even you. See you guys soon.
GT
Jan. 9, 2009
Mac21
Men's 65
35 posts
Dear Bob50...I'm sorry I killed you. I wasn't trying to...I was just tring to "hit the ball hard and watch it go".

Dear Mrs Bob50...Im sorry I killed your husband...I wasn't trying to, and it wasn't my fault....they had this Pitcher Protection Rule, but it didn't work....when they applied it Bob was already dead. But I'm sure you'll feel better knowing they called me out!!!

Dear Bob50's kids...I'm sorry I killed your father I wasn't trying to and it wasn't my fault..it was his fault..he threw me a pitch I couldn't handle and I hit it up the middle.

Dear Miken...I'm sorry I killed Bob50 and your business...but it wasn't my fault...it was the the lawyers..they sued you,not me.

Dear SS-USA....I'm sorry I killed Bob50 and that you no longer exist....but it wasn't my fault...it's those greedy lawyers you hired that bankrupted you tring to defend you.

Dear Phoenix Recreation Department..I'm sorry I killed Bob50 and now your city government won't let you run any more Senior Softball tournaments....but it wasn't my fault.

Dear Senior Softball players...I'm sorry I killed Bob50 and now we have no place to play tournaments....if only they had castrated me!!!!
Jan. 9, 2009
Jano23
Men's 50
95 posts
Wood,
Not really important, but ABS = Antilock Braking System (not Automatic).
Interestingly, during the first years in which ABS was available, many mid-western drivers crashed through their garage doors, misunderstanding the function of ABS, which primarily is to provide Stability (keeps your car from spinning around its vertical axis), Steerability (allows you to to keep steering your vehicle while maximally braking) and Stopping Distance (lowest priority - that's why they went through their garage doors).
Jan
Jan. 10, 2009
Jano23
Men's 50
95 posts
Bob50,
I'm guessing you are exagerrating when you claim you were killed, right?
The current rules allow pitchers to wear protective equipment. In my view, the pitcher wearing such equipment should NOT be mandatory, but should be at the discretion of the pitcher.
Obviously, the current PPR rule does not protect the pitcher (especially with the dangerous new HR limits), and should be abandoned (along with the new HR limits).
Anyway, if Bob50 knows how to post messages from beyond the grave, I might like to learn his technique in case I need it after the new administration takes away my firearms.
Jan
Jan. 10, 2009
tattooball
605 posts
Joe,
Why must you continue to make false statements.
It is true that the new ball was developed for ASA and when developing the ball I had no intentions for it to be used in ss-usa nor did I try to get them to use it.

Now I never said to you or anyone that SS-USA contacted me about the use of any ball in the future. They have been using the .44/375 and that is the only ball we make with the stamp on it, but I never said they contacted me that is just an outright lie once again. Secondly I don't even talk to you I believe you have mental issues and won't waste my time trying to make sense to you.

As for them using the new ball that was all set up by personal friends of yours, WHY? I am not sure why but it could be for many reasons. 1 Maybe they are trying to push you over the edge. 2 Maybe if they use the new ball you won't play. 3 Maybe they just don't care what you think.
Either way it is your peers, the ones you always say you speak for that are bringing this about not me or our company. So maybe you really don't know what your peers wants or needs are. Good luck

By the way the all star game was one of the best games I have seen in years at the senior level. There was tons of great infield play yet the ball flew out of the park well.

















us
Jan. 10, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
GT, I know it is Feb.21-22, I was telling taits we would be in town Feb.20-22.See you there,
Jan. 10, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Kevin,
We just don't agree.

You have invested much and have much to protect.
You haven't said anything accurate or true about me
in months.
And what I've been saying all along is right on.
You guys are and have been in this up to your teeth
and it's obvious to any and all of us who have eyes and a brain.
Do you really think we're not capable of figuring things out
for ourselves?

SSUSA and you are "partners" and as such
have a conflict of interest regarding what we
the players, your customers say we both want and need.
I don't care who agrees with me or not.
And there are a ton of guys and gals
who get what's going on
and agree with me, just for the record.
You guys are pulling all the strings and are self interested
when it comes to dealing with us, your customers.
Simple and true.

44x375 balls/1.2 bats and home runs as singles, not outs.
That's what we want and deserve and have been promised by SSUSA
and other Associations
and nothing you, or Mike Macenko, or any of my friends
is gonna change feces to facial cream.

That ball, your ball, effectively emasculates us
and the game we've been playing since we were kids.
If you hit the ball hard it's got to go hard and fast somewhere
and your ball that goes slower through the infield
as you and others claim and have witnessed
doesn't and will never get my approval
or the approval of lots of others.
Jan. 10, 2009
tattooball
605 posts
Joe,
I guess you are just not smart enough to figure it out.

I really don't care what the rules are. I really don't care what ball is used.
I really don't care what bats are used.

If you haven't noticed I have not posted in any of the post's regarding these matters. The only time I have posted on this message board is when you feel you need to spread false accusations about our company or myself, unlike Dirty if you don't want me to post anything that involves you don't mention or insinuate falsities about me or my company and all of your threads can be just that. Yours and yours alone.
Jan. 10, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Guys that work with you told me
you always have to get the last word in so I should almost let this go.
You are obvious, Kevin and you have been "selecting' material all along
to say and not to say about me, about you and your company.
Suffice to say you are great business men
(How's the juice business going?)
and I wish you all the luck
but you don't speak for me and never have regarding my and many others'
interests in senior softball.
Again, you don't play our game and
your new ball stinks and is and will emasculate the game
and lots of us who've been playing the senior game for the last 10 years.

If you want to continue, Kevin, and make this more personal
you know how to reach me.
Jan. 10, 2009
##7
Men's 55
15 posts
Einstein,
man your schtick is getting old. Please grow up or shut up. This board is tired of your rants taking up space. Please quit it in the name of senior softball. Your persistent whining has become boring. Your challenges are like a little kid. Be a man please!
thank you!!
Jan. 10, 2009
Ken
Men's 55
462 posts
Jano, itís more than a little unsettling to learn that you have firearms up on that hill. Iím getting out while the getting is good. By the way, Iím guessing that you wrote that after a late night meeting with J. Daniels, lol.
Jan. 10, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
Needed as of last night 1 pitcher!!!
Jan. 10, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
butch17;
What happened, did Bob really die?
Jan. 10, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
##7: Many of us do not always agree with Joe. Ralph Nader, was also, not well received, either.

But, if, one is able to see into Joe's, heart, Joe, just wants to play softball. Over the past sevearl years, SS-USA, NSA, SPA, etc, have tried to "better the game"; solve some questionable problems, etc.

I may be wrong, but, many players do not want to see Home Runs, become outs; or the Pitcher Rule. This Pitcher Rule, has reard its ugly head, last year. (Check out, some of last years, earlier post.)

Much has been said about the Major Plus & Major teams, causing much unwanted problems. I chanallage many of the AA & AAA teams to move up, if, only for one or two tournaments.

I am sure that SS-USA, would aloud AA & AAA, teams to play up in qualifiers; Round Robbin Play, only.

If, we Seniors do not believe that there is a problem: 1) ask around about 2004, 2005, 2006, & maybe 2007, some of the problems that SPA, was having. Pour balls & no Senior Bats.

Ask the boys, on the East Coast, RB, a very nice man, who runs ISSA. Pour balls (socks) & the Bats were ASA, I believe.

Joe, I hear ones pain. But, your concerns Joe, will not happen, as long as there is feed back. RIGHT or WRONG, united we stand, divided we fall.

Don't break that 78. THi-J
Jan. 11, 2009
bogie
Men's 55
151 posts
I played in the senior all star game, got a chance to hit with Kevin's new ball earlier in the day and for the last 4 days during the TOC, I was in Tampa with my son, Steve Imlay, a great senior hitter, and several senior members fo the Woodlawn hitting club in St. Pete.
We had 5 of the new .52 cor, 275 balls that Anaconda has made. First off, being from the north and not having a chance to hit much lately, we were not very consistent, so each time out of the buckets of 200 senior s balls, we only had 5 chances at the new ball. Kevin told us that we needed to try to level off and cut the ball, if we wanted to make it fly.
The ball will fly 360 feet and further. When you cut it, it jumps off the bat like a tennis ball off a racket. A slightly different, but not unpleasant feel to hit. I did line a knuckleball out and that was not supposed to be able to happen very easily. The ball felt lighter to us. If you did not spin the ball, it did not reward you with a super fast exit speed or longer ball. I pitched the ball several times without telling hitters and they did not notice it. In the all star game, I believe Mike was wrong, I think there was 4 homeruns, all by very good hitters, but not big guys or high profile homerun hitters. They spun the ball and it went. The mishit fly balls, were of shorter distance and most dramatically, the speed of the ball thru the infield was considerably slower. It reminded me of the game of the 70s and 80s, where 40% of the outs were infield play.
A hitter on my team hit 2 homeruns in the game with the new ball, but in the homerun contest the next day, using the current 44, 375 ball, he hit 2 of 10...so when he swung good, the new ball rewarded him.
So I am personally saying for the 40s and 50s senior major and major plus, I am a big fan of this ball. I think it will let small guys hit homeruns, but only if you learn to cut the ball..which most do anyway...you must spin it. It will cut out times when the first 9 of 11 hitters homer because a flat hit ball that now carries 350 will be 280 ...without spin.
The all star game was a treat to see all the infield play, see a fair ball that is not dominated by overblown homeruns, a game that is safer in the infield and involves more players in every play, and a game that is not a homerun hitting contest. Being fair, I am mostly a homerun hitter, so I would not like to see the 5 and out...I personally would rathe rsee the game defense brought back into the picutre and have less rules as a result of a more sane ball...I am not for changing any bat rules...I think any lesser bats, will invite the same shaving, painting that the kids go thru.
Just my opinion. joe, Kevin, mike...guys on both sides ...are all good friends...I am not taking sides and I am mentioning that the new ball fits my agenda personally...but I did want to voice my experience with hitting it and playing in a game with it..
Ken Van Bogaert
Roberts 50 major(moving to 55 major)
Jan. 11, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Bogie, you animal.
Glad you had such a good time and
you were in some fabulous company
with Steve Imlay and your son.
Steve is a great hitter and a better guy.
The last time I saw your boy
he was hitting 400 + on one of your videos.
I guess the apple never DOES fall far from the tree.

I've listened to lots of longball hitters
since we've been using good to very good
bat/ball combos.
Some of 'em cry that smaller, littler guys shouldn't be able to hit the ball out
'cause it's just not fair.
I don't think they represent Senior Ball players, generally speaking,
in number or opinion.

Most hitters are not home run hitters and care about
not getting enough bang for their buck
when trying to hit through a gap in the infield or outfield.
These guys will be penalized for hitting the ball
dead center and hard which we've learned from little league
and have been practicing ever since.
What a terrible feeling to smack a ball that should have gone through
the 5-6 hole only to have been cut off by the 3rd baseman to start a double play.

Also, this ball is going to be giving pitchers, like me, a huge advantage
once they learn which pitches are harder to spin when hit.

A poorer performing ball is counter productive measure
to solving any the problems in Senior Ball.
It's a good idea as ideas go but just isn't going to work.

There are, as I and many others have said,
many better ways to keep OUR game
fun, competitive and reasonably safe
that won't emasculate our hitters and our game.
Jan. 11, 2009
hitit
10 posts
What was the Temperature at the TOC? How will the ball perform at 100+ degrees (Reno, Las Vegas, Phoenix)? At 100 degrees, won't the cor go somewhere from 275 to under 200?

So, is all of Senior ball need to be re-trained on how to hit? Spin/cut a ball instead of hitting it squarely or top half of ball to hit humpies?

Sounds like a definate MUST to go to a 5 man infield, play real deep and let pitcher cover second base for outs everytime there is a runner on first. Gee, looks like great fun.
Jan. 11, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
HIT IT: Some good questions. If, the data that I have read is true? This 52 cor ball, is not effected very much by temperature.
Data, states this 52 cor ball with the 275 comp; 1) 40 to 100 degrees, ball is still a 52 cor ball. The comp, will drop very little. 2) 40, 44, 47, & 50 cor balls will drop / rise do to temp. At 50 degrees, a ball (40, 44, 47, & 50), will increase from 375 comp to 490 comp. At 100 degrees, most balls will drop 180 comp. Which means that a 375 comp ball, in 100 degrees, will be around 200 comp.

Not sure if this will be or is a ball that must be struck, "struck properly", flush, etc, in order to clear a 300 ft fence.

THi-J
Jan. 11, 2009
Lecak
Men's 55
1006 posts
Whoa a Jerry Garcia reference, brings back lots of memories or lack of, traveling up and down the left coast.
Jan. 12, 2009
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
HEY BOB50......SORRY TO HEAR OF YOUR PASSING, I HOPE I'M IN THE WILL, CAN I HAVE THE COTTAGE UP IN OSHKOSH, WI. IT'S A SWEET CRIB!! BUTCHIE, NOW YOU CAN HAVE CLIFF PITCH, HE'S BETTER UP THE MIDDLE ANYWAY.
Jan. 12, 2009
Bob50
Men's 60
239 posts
Ronnie, As soon as I'm dead you sell me out for Cliff to pitch? You are in the will but not for my house in Wisconsin (Waupaca). I am leaving you all my cracked and broken Ultras.

Butch, I no sooner leave this earth and you are advertising for a new pitcher. Rodney and me get no respect.

The point of my post was to get some more lively posts to an issue that in my opinion is still not resolved. I hope we can avoid the bickering and stay close to the issue with some constructive ideas. Although SSUSA will not respond directly they are reading these.

Steve Imlay, I know you're a great guy and hitter but some of your friends want to nominate you for sainthood. I'm in Houston for the winter. When are you going to visit? I'm playing Mondays and Wednesday nights south of Houston. Bring your gear.
Jan. 12, 2009
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
606 posts
Bob50, Steve is not a saint; he is an angel (sometimes an angel in the outfield). Let us know when you come back to the Midwest, and we can have a heck of a wake which you can fortunately enjoy. It will not be at the Travelodge. ;-)
Jan. 12, 2009
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
BOB........YOU BETTER START TAKING MY ADVICE ABOUT THE SHIN GUARDS!! WITH YOU BEING CUMIDIN, IT'S A SMART MOVE. I JUST TALKED TO CLIFF, HE'S COMING OVER TO PRACTICE PITCHING. BUTCHIE ALREADY CALLED CLIFF!! DID YOU AND LARRY HOOK UP YET?
Jan. 12, 2009
Bob50
Men's 60
239 posts
Ronnie,

You haven't been paying attention. I was wearing them last year when you came to watch. I've been wearing them for two years. After looking at your shin last year I will keep wearing them for a while.

I talked to Larry but he's not sure about the status of his team for this year. Randy Hendricks is apparently forming a new 60's. I will talk to him tonight when we play. All is good. See you around the diamonds this year.

Bob
Jan. 12, 2009
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
NOT THOSE LITTLE TINKER TOY SHIN GUARDS, I MEAN THE CATCHERS SHIN GUARDS!! TELL LARRY HI
WE PLAYED IN MENIFEE, CA. THIS PAST WEEKEND, VERY NICE WEATHER, WE PLAYED ALL 60 MAJORS, SO WE HAD TO GIVE UP 5 RUNS OR AN 11TH MAN. NO PITCHERS WERE HIT, KILLED OR MAMED!! GET TRAVELOGE TO COME TO SOMETHING WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI!!! I THINK ''COACH WOODY'' IS PUTTING US IN THE 55 DIVISION IN PALM SPRINGS NEXT MONTH
Jan. 12, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
Bob and Ron Cliff said to you hi.
Jan. 13, 2009
DCPete
234 posts
RB who runs ISSA on the East Coast, has already announced that he is switching from ASA bats to Senior bats for 2009. He's also changing from the lo-compression sock-puppet balls to the Dudley Thunder Advance.
Draw your own conclusions.
Jan. 13, 2009
Bob50
Men's 60
239 posts
DC Pete, Here is my conclusion. The associations that do not allow a good bat and ball will suffer in terms of attendance and thereby revenue will fall. I agree with your apparent point. It is better for the bottom line to allow the game to be played where the ball will jump off the bat. I am not just refering to home runs but line drives and good hitting.

However that is my concern. The mild penalty currently in place really does not protect the pitcher. In my opinion here is where we are heading--you hit at my pitcher and we will hit at your pitcher. It's the way it used to be but now consider the weapons that are being used. It's a recipe for disaster.

Ronnie, we have not decided on our tournament schedule for this year but I would guess we will lead off with the Brickyard Classic as we normally do in early May

Nancy, since I am half Irish I am requesting an Irish wake. Enjoy the party.
Jan. 13, 2009
DCPete
234 posts
Bob50; agreed on all points. Don't know what the pitcher protection rule should be, but the current rule is nothing more than a hitter punishment rule.
You already know that the only difference between an Irish wedding & an Irish wake is there's 1 less Drunk at the wake.
Jan. 13, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Crusadervb,

Has the city of Palm Springs or Cathedrial City done anything to improve Demuth Park?
Jan. 13, 2009
DCPete
234 posts
Bob50; agreed on all points. Don't know what the pitcher protection rule should be, but the current rule is nothing more than a hitter punishment rule.
You already know that the only difference between an Irish wedding & an Irish wake is there's 1 less Drunk at the wake.
Jan. 13, 2009
Lecak
Men's 55
1006 posts
DC Pete and Bob50 there is more to an organization than bat/ball combo, in my way of thinking how they provide customer service to the younger seniors is really important, I'm stressing the word my. Personal experience only but neither of the top guys at SPA or ISSA do a good job at it. Maybe it was me because I was in an ideal setting where both organizations had an opportunity. Conversely I think SSUSA, and LVSSA are doing a good job with the younger seniors and that is where my energy is going. Also I really enjoyed meeting Greg Maas at the summit last year and hope to drum some business his way as we see a schedule.
Jan. 13, 2009
DCPete
234 posts
True; can't speak to SPA (other than the fact they make you buy their own ID card), but ISSA has had a history of using inept umpires and terrible scheduling like having a game at 9am & your next game at 4pm. Too bad, they do have a nice complex (Valley View) out in Manassas, VA.
Jan. 14, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
522 posts
DCpete, Valley View is not that nice. First couple of years it was in great shape. It does drain well. However the outfield has gone down hill. Lots of clups of grass, not smooth.
Jan. 14, 2009
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
TAITS........NO CLUE ON DEMUTH, MAYBE SOMEONE FROM SOCAL CAN HELP. I THINK THE FIELD OF DREAMS INFIELDS ALL SUCK, I HOPE WE'RE AT DEMUTH.
Jan. 14, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Crusadervb,
I've heard that also about the FOD\BLD park. Seems as though since the Library was put in and the parking lot was taken over by it it's gone down hill. Been there 3 times. Once before the Lib twice after. Could be a great place.
Not unlike the privately owned park here that's going kiddie park.
They took out the largest field, SBC, 306 to walls, to put in a roller coaster from Vegas. Been "in progress for over a year...nothing done other than home plate under 10 feet of dirt.
Only parts I don't like about the Tourney is ASA equip, but I can live with. In the 3 times there I was always thrown in to a div I\we didn't belong, My own teams twice and played for another once. Lastly, that it's an invitational and really doesn't represent much other than a place to go. A long trip me some that do go.
I'd think more would go to the San Diego qualifier in Feb when ever it is...But they did have many cancelled last year...Don't know why.
Jan. 14, 2009
PJ3P
Men's 50
68 posts
Having played in a league where excess home runs were singles......
I'll say this about that. It was without question the safest [for the pitcher]
league I've ever played in. To make it an out in all divisions is exactly the opposite of being safe. You really don't want the big guns hitting p-rods through the infield when a nice backspin fly ball for a single would do.
Jan. 14, 2009
the wood
1076 posts
Taits:
If you're referring to the City of Palm Springs event to be held in February, you can use 1.2 bats... it says so on the flyer... and I called to confirm this.
Are any 55 teams going there?
BW
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