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Discussion: How did everyone do at Menifee

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Jan. 10, 2010
docnorm
Men's 55
97 posts
How did everyone do at Menifee
I am interested in the out come of the Menifee tournament.
How did everyone do this weekend.

Takes to long waiting for updates on the SSUSA web site.
Jan. 10, 2010
shortly51
6 posts
50 major- 1st Demolition, 2nd Doubleplay
Jan. 11, 2010
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
60 MAJOR PLUS
GSF WON THE POOL GAME VS D & K, BUT D & K WON THE TOURNAMENT GAME. ONLY 2 TEAMS 1. D & K 2. GSF
DEAD BALL OUT. 1ST GAME 4TH INNING, THE UMP CALLED A DEAD BALL OUT, THE PITCHER WAS 10 BEHIND THE MOUND, HE WENT TO FIELD THE BALL AND IT HIT HIS GLOVE TRYING TO FIELD IT, DEAD BALL OUT!!! HERE WE GO AGAIN!! I THOUGHT THERE WAS NO MORE DEAD BALL OUT?
AS FAR AS THE SIGNING OF THE WAIVER FOR THE PITCHER....I SIGNED IT ONCE IN 5 GAMES?
Jan. 11, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
855 posts
OC Mustangs won against Cal Crush in a nail biter for the Win.
Great to see such close competition in the AAA division.
Great to see all of you in our first tourney of the New Year.
Except for that little turd with the clip board on R&R. =) jk.



Jan. 11, 2010
DoubleL10
Men's 65
836 posts
Ron, It's good to see SOMEBODY is getting to play! We got above freezing yesterday for the first time here in OKC since last Wednesday. Today, it feels like Spring - it's 42. If snow wasn't on the ground, I'd go out and take some BP!

So...they had y'all sign the waiver and STILL called dead ball outs?? I'm with you, the way I read the new rule is the only dead ball out is if, in the umpire's judgement, the batter ATTEMPTED to hit the pitcher! How about it, SSUSA...can someone explain??
Jan. 11, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
855 posts
Sounds like someone didnt get the memo.
Are we surprised?
Jan. 11, 2010
docnorm
Men's 55
97 posts
What teams are playing this weekend in menifee?
Jan. 11, 2010
OTE24
Men's 65
123 posts
Ron,
I think that was the only time ppr was called all weekend. That ump made a mistake. Every other blue I talked to said it had to be intentional.
Good to see you guys again, good luck this year.
Big John, congrats on the win.
John
Jan. 11, 2010
barrym
158 posts
Congragulations to my teamates demolition, You guys got it going on. I love you all 28
Jan. 11, 2010
the wood
1087 posts
First of all, congrats to D&K... they played very well and deserved to win the 60 M+ division.

Back to the PPR or whatever name it uses now... unless I'm misreading the rule as it is stated on this message board, there is nothing about anyone being called out for hitting the pitcher. There is nothing stating that he has to be in the pitching box (or not) or that it has to be an 'indefensible play'. Further, there is nothing about it being called a dead ball. All I can take from it, after reading it several times, is that the hitter could be ejected from the game and/or suspended if the umpire deems that it was intentional.
The PPR was always an issue because of the way the rule was interpretted and/or applied. It was truly an albatross. But... at least there were some tangible elements to the PPR... but there were also gray areas as well.
Now we have a rule that does not protect anyone AND it severely penalizes the hitter based upon totally intangible elements.
I asked both umpires that I saw this past weekend and they gave me semi-consistent answers... this is what I posed to them... 'what might cause you to feel that it was intentional'? Both of them told me that if it followed a lot of verbosity about the pitcher or the 'the middle'. In my view, this was/is an intelligent answer... but it leaves a lot of margin for error... i.e. what if there were no verbal threats, etc.?...
It appears to me that trying to cover up cat droppings with cat droppings is a poor strategy. Who came up with this version? Pee Wee Herman?
And... whatever rule you ultimately use, would it be asking too much for you to communicate this down through the ranks? (this = the letter of the rule as well as the spirit).
BW
Jan. 11, 2010
Dbax
Men's 60
1294 posts
I respect Pee Wee Herman.
Jan. 12, 2010
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
LARRY, SORRY ABOUT THE WEATHER, YOU COULD HAVE MOVED TO AZ. AND PLAYED WITH GSF, BUT NO, YOU HAD TO LISTEN TO YOUR WIFE AND MOVE TO OK!!!

DBAX, YOU AND PEE WEE ARE PROBABLY IN THE SAME SQUAD CAR...GET BACK TO WORK AND PROTECT US CITIZENS!! MAN THAT'S SCARY, YOU WITH A GUN, AND IT'S LEGAL!!
Jan. 12, 2010
Dbax
Men's 60
1294 posts
Now that was uncalled for! I can't believe we let you into this state from Wisconsin.
Jan. 12, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Changes will always take some time
to work out, guys.
As long as we're all going toward one another as we move along down the road
together we'll be all right.
Stay flexible and be willing to speak up
and out when something is working or not working and we can't miss.
I just heard that
Palm Springs Feb 5, 6th
has been cancelled due to lack of participation.
Looks like our first date
will be the weekend of March 6th
in Pleasanton (NorCal).
Bogie, don't get upset with us now
for having the good weather.
Who knows in a couple of years
with all the climate/geographical changes kicking in
you guys might become a year round
softball Mecca.

Jan. 12, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3949 posts
crusader,thats a lo blow,he could of stayed in houston,where it would of been 35 degrees,instead of below freezing,LOL.i played with the kids saturday(rowlett,tx) and it was 25 at 10 am,and by mid afternoon it was all the way up to 35.we are getting a break tho,in the 50's today and next couple of days.
Jan. 12, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
855 posts
Dog, thats not To far off from the mid to upper 70's we had last weekend in Menifee.
Joe, another earthquake like the recent 6.5 and all those NorCal grapes will be grown in So Cal. =)
Jan. 12, 2010
Softball1919
1 posts
Einstein,

I have talked to Vicki Oltean and she stated she did NOT cancel the Feb 5-6 tournament! where do you get your information?? Trying to sabatoge a tournament?
Jan. 12, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3949 posts
E4/E6 that is not being to nice,we normally don't get this cold,tho.maybe lo 30's at nite with 50-60's during the day.the last week has been teens at nite with mid 30's for the hi's.

i do miss menifee,have played there when i first started playing senior ball(2000).i used to live up in the hills in ANZA,before navy moved me to lemoore.
Jan. 12, 2010
the wood
1087 posts
Mad Dog, when you mentioned that the Navy moved you away from here, it dawned on me that I do indeed remember you. But there were a plethora of guys named Bob on Stone Age and I was fixating on the wrong ones.
You hit 4-5 for them as I recall and played more outfield/1B than pitcher, for them anyway.
Sometimes it takes me longer than most... but it did seem as though you spoke the King's English back then... that threw me off a bit.
:-)
BW
Jan. 12, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Why would you think the worst.
That's what I heard.
If I was mistaken it was an honest mistake.
Jan. 12, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3949 posts
wood ,i think u do remember me now.i was the first of the bob's to hit,and most of the time it was 6th.i didn't pitch a whole lot for stone age as we had don crenshaw pitching for us.i was more in the OF and catch(bob weirich did 1b most of the time),with a little 2b thrown in when buzz wasn't there.
i also talked to you guys when i played for mission(after i left cali for texas) the last time SPA was held in plano,i was eh'ing then.
well good luck this year.
Jan. 13, 2010
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
mad dog.......small world....Don is pitching for us now and doing a good job.
Jan. 13, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3949 posts
sal, donny is pitching for you guys now,tell him i said hi.oh this is bob b.by the way how are ya doing.
Jan. 16, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1994 posts
Just what I predicted in other threads, the umpires are unclear on the meaning of the rules and are going to find it very tough to decide if drives up the middle were intentionally aimed at the pitcher. But some umpires will be on a power trip, or be overly cautious trying to protect the pitcher and start calling anything close. From what I have read, that is a totally erroneous interpretation of the rule. Maybe they need to get a handout to all umpires explaining in detail the spirit of the rule.
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