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July 3, 2011
gates24
41 posts
Veteran CORE is almost ready.......
We thank all those that have waited as we move from getting bats made in China to building our factory here in the USA. The move is far more than just setting up a simple production line to make antiquated copies of ordinary design. The bat market is a banquet of the same cake with different frosting, different yet the same. What we are striving to accomplish is original in design with the end result to prove performance and durability can be achieved in a senior bat. We also aim to show that American ingenuity is not a thing of the past but alive and well in a product 100% made in USA. The task is complex to say the least however when finished we will join an elite few that actually own and operate their own factory with full control over design and production.
The sales team is anxious, the engineer is reserved and the factory is almost ready to go. So please hang in there as we approached the runway for takeoff.
July 3, 2011
Marv19
Men's 60
424 posts
Thanks Bill. For those that are interested I have been compiling a wait list on my site http://socalssa.com I will notify each one of you when the bat becomes available. Have a Great and safe Independence day!
July 4, 2011
400
Men's 50
74 posts
Bill Congratulations after our discussions I'm sure that you can see a light at the end of the tunnel. Sounds like you have the team in place to move forward. I'll look forward to talking to you. Again congratulations. Dave Tucson
July 4, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Bill,
American made.
Way to go.
I remember we talked about that a couple of times.
Good luck and let me know if you want me to help popularize in NorCal.
July 6, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
bill i would be very careful with dealing with this einstein character,he has proven to be someone not trust worthy and a person of ill repute,ask the guys from MCT.
July 6, 2011
gates24
41 posts
Joe has always done right by me....someone far smarter than me one said,

“Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.”
July 6, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
671 posts
Bill, I still want the bat that is baked in the Pizza oven. I hope all is going good. Thanks Harry #20 NV FORCE
July 6, 2011
gates24
41 posts
Well I guess the bottom line is we will have the best senior bat on the planet, or I will be sleeping on the couch for a long time :)

Bill Gateley
sportsaz@msn.com
480.241.3717


July 6, 2011
gates24
41 posts
Harry,
We can make you a bat with everything on it and even add some South Carolina flavor as well....
July 13, 2011
pitcher55
Men's 55
130 posts
marv19,just want to make sure i'm on the list for the 1st shipment.
i have delt with bill to this point,but sounds like you are handeling the list. i purchased the veteran last sept. received it in jan., sent it right back,and was told i would get the new one on the 1st shipment. thank you, dennis wiley. sierradog1@live.com
July 13, 2011
Marv19
Men's 60
424 posts
You got it my man. I'll put you down and send in a follow up to Bill also.

July 14, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
671 posts
Bill,Hold the anchovies. looking forward to swinging the Spirit. We are in Dalton for the 60 Majors. I am looking forward to this tourney. Thanks Harry
July 14, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
really birdie no anchovies,aren't you an easterner,,you just don't know how to eat pizza i guess......LOL... my gal's favorite toppings, anchovies,Canadian bacon,pineapple,some mixture,ought to see the faces when she asks for it.
July 14, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
671 posts
Robert, Born and raised in Pittsburgh and it is sacrilegious to eat anchovies on Pizza. Hope all is well> Thanks Harry
July 15, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
hey birdie do you remember a pitcher for the pirates,steve blass,won games 2&7 in the 71 world series.i used to work with him during his off seasons in CT where he was from.he bought my ex's parents home before he moved permanently to pitt.
July 17, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
671 posts
mad dog, I sure do great guy. He came back the next year and could not find the strike zone. What a shame that was. I believe that he does some TV for the Bucs. Thanks Harry
July 17, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
never did understand that,went from best winning % to not being able to find the plate in like 2-3 years.
July 27, 2011
SixIron
2 posts
What's the status of this bat? The link at http://socalssa.com said it would be available for order on July 24th. That date has come and gone but ordering at that website is not an option yet.
July 27, 2011
Marv19
Men's 60
424 posts
Sources say mid to late August. I'm suppose to have a production sample at the Tournament in Temecula 8-6 8-7. The plant in S.C. is in the final stages. Distribution protocol is being finalized as we speak or type. That's all I know right now! "Good things come to those who wait" ... In this case it's a bat and not beer :O)
Aug. 12, 2011
gates24
41 posts
UPDATE: We have some engineering adjustments that are very complicated so it looks like mid September will need to be our target date. Please note that we do not have a deadline or are we behind in any way. We are creating a completely new design to resolve the dilemma of senior bats. The CORE is one of the most technology advanced senior bat ever produced, it cannot be shaved, cannot be rolled or altered in anyway. Will performance and durability stand superior? We will let the CORE answer that on the field very soon. Building a new factory and creating a technology is no different then what the Army used to say, “just hurry up and wait”.
Aug. 12, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
671 posts
Bill, How will this Spirit bat hold up in the cold. it starts to get chilly here in Va.around the same time the bat will be out. We will be playing in the day league with temps in the 60s. Can I still use the bat in 50 and 60 degree temps? Thanks Harry
Aug. 12, 2011
gates24
41 posts
Harry, the new CORE ASA bat will not have any issues at those temps.
Aug. 12, 2011
crusher
Men's 70
380 posts
gates24, do you have a link to show the new American factor that is being built to produce the CORE? If not what is the address of the factory?
If this bat proves real it will be a great relief for power hitters that start a tournament wondering if their bat will still be ok at the end.
Aug. 12, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
why crusher,you can't break the mikens now....DOH,LOL...... hows it going out there in big D,hotter than hell over here in the east side.....
Aug. 12, 2011
gates24
41 posts
Crusher,
If your question is to visit the factory you are welcome to do so once it is finished and set up for visitors. Please contact me for more details.

Thank you,

Bill Gateley
sportsaz@msn.com
480.241.3717
Aug. 12, 2011
crusher
Men's 70
380 posts
Hey mad dog.. It got so cold here yesterday had to wear a jacket playing golf. Today it finally warmed up enough for me to get out of the house. AND are you saying I can not hit a ball hard enough to break a Miken-in? (the truth hurts)

gates24, have no intention of visting factory unless it is close to Big D.. I am going to need a new bat next year and this sounds like a long term bat. It just seems like something you can talk about in cyberspace that may not be real. Strange the factory does not have an address.
Aug. 12, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
hey crusher,ed hits harder than you....DOH,LOL.............LOL.....LOL......LOL.....
Aug. 12, 2011
crusher
Men's 70
380 posts
MAD DOG, yes I am shouting at you. How could you be so cruel?
However, Ed did get a hit in the last tournament. Seeing as how he does not read this you need to pass that info along. LOL
Aug. 12, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
LMAO.....LMAO.....LMAO......

i'll ask him..hey you guys gonna play in mesquite at the end of august for usssa....

Aug. 12, 2011
crusher
Men's 70
380 posts
Bob, no. We seem to be thru for the year. We started off good, won Georgetown then aliens must have invaded as different guys showed up at the other 4 tournaments that looked the same but just did not play the same way.
Aug. 12, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
NO DALTON,OR PHOENIX.ED SHOULD BRING YA WITH US THAN....
Aug. 15, 2011
thebull
Men's 50
59 posts
Marv19, I’m interested in pre-ordering a Bat but the web site was a dead end. Also, do you have info on weights and balance? I would like to see a Picture of the final design too, the taper is important, a short taper results in handle flex that I don’t like. That’s the problem with the Reebok, it hits well but has way too much flex, compare a Reebok to a Ultra and you’ll see what I’m referring to.
theBull
Aug. 15, 2011
gates24
41 posts
Since our factory is in South Carolina (and not product ordered from China) we will have bats in stock and ready to ship. In terms of swing flex you will find the CORE pure to form, somewhat like swinging a wood bat (remember it is solid) with senior level performance. Another key dynamic is the hitting area. Antiquated bats have a traditional sweet spot which allows maximum flex within a set ‘spot’ on the barrel. The CORE has maximum flex ability cross 81% of its 12” barrel.
Pictures will be ready soon as we get closer to the finish line.

Bill Gateley
sportsaz@msn.com
480.241.3717
Aug. 15, 2011
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Sounds great, Bill.
Made in South Carolina.
That's what we're talkin' about.
Aug. 15, 2011
gates24
41 posts
Joe,
We can a special edition ‘Golden Gate’ bat just for you :)
Aug. 15, 2011
gates24
41 posts
To answer some questions here;
Sizes are 26-27-28-29.5
Balanced or End Load
Yes we can customize your bat…
Aug. 15, 2011
ChiPrimeMarty
Men's 55
65 posts
Bill, I bought the original White Veteran 28oz balanced, and want my CORE to have a similar weight/balance. Can you tell me which CORE model that would be?
Aug. 15, 2011
gates24
41 posts
Since the CORE has a different feel that the normal bats I am not sure how to answer that question. Would think the 28 balance would work however if it does not we will work with you to make sure we get the right fit.
Sept. 2, 2011
gates24
41 posts
If all goes well the American modernization conquest of softball will start on October 1st.
__________________
Better to fight for something than live for nothing.
George S. Patton
Sept. 2, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
Gater, you'd be better off not saying anything until you have it in your hands ready to launch. From someone who has been in the retail sporting goods field for the better part of my adult life, this has not been good for PR. If you can't deliver now, what makes anyone think it can be delivered later? Best of luck!
Sept. 2, 2011
gates24
41 posts
Solid advice....just keeping in touch with the many that are asking. So many emails and calls, this is a great way to let them know where we are. Thank you for wish for luck....please note that we have not taken any pre orders, we will wait till the bat is in hand and since we don't have to wait for a slow boat from China we will be able to deliver very fast.
Sept. 3, 2011
1billyd
28 posts
gates, are you far enough along to have begun field testing any of these bad boys?
Sept. 9, 2011
Paco13
353 posts
Mr. Gates, You know we all are pulling for your success...but you need to deliver. This is a very difficult business ot break in...market share, confidence, trust, and not to say that we all have swong other senior bats that we like. We can change our habits, but we have to have something to swing with in order to change it. Bottom line, we are still waiting...I just heard that ASA and Utrip are requiring that bats after 2012/13 do not have an end cap. If true that will take some of your thunder away. Good luck.
Oct. 6, 2011
1billyd
28 posts
Another month has gone by and still no definitive expectation of delivery. I spent a lot of years in manufacturing and appreciate how difficult it is to build a production line and bring a product to market. However, what is not difficult is to keep the stock holders (I.E. those of us who have paid for a bat and are expecting delivery) apprised of the situation. There have been no email updates, no information regarding testing of prototypes, nor do we have any idea how long we will have to wait for delivery based on how many bats are pre-sold. At the very least, most of this information could be put on one of the several Gates Bats websites that exist.
Oct. 6, 2011
Tim Millette
465 posts
Don't know about MTC having any problems with Joe. Matter of fact joes team is getting some help from MTC.

But now the real issue.... Joe, supporting bats being made in a right to work state just might get you thrown out of the I love Obama club. I mean after all.... Did you not read the current socialist manifesto being push by the DEMs and the NLRB.
Oct. 6, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Mr Gates,
Your co hart Marv has a link to pre order on the so cal web site, the bat, seems there is some dis-info here. http://www.socalssa.com/Bats_Bats.html

Pricer is correct on the PR bit. Marv should have know that as well.
I am sure it will come about and the provess teaching and personal learning the process will take some time go "GET IT RIGHT" .
Keep on trucking as it were.
Oct. 6, 2011
Marv19
Men's 60
424 posts
Taits: Your absolutely correct I should have known and I did know the portal to the factory was down. When I found out I wrote to Bill last week and he said they are working on a new web site and it should be up soon. About the only thing I can do is add a note to that effect on the web site. However Bill did post a message on another board to the effect that they were set up for shipping but were ironing out some bugs in production. Sorry for the reaction time but I have been really busy getting the new bat bag started and orders shipped out, working on the new "Chase for 2012", Promoting our association, preparing for the November tournament, getting prizes out the door from the So Cal Championship and finally interviewing a trade mark attorney. To me its a little pathetic to have a former partner not only attempt to put us out of business by scheduling tournaments a week before or after ours and in one case the same day at the same park (seriously) but then try to steal my brand identity in the process... simply pathetic. Time will tell.
Oct. 6, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
hate to hear that marv,do you know if bill will be avail the week of the 17-20th oct.i'll be in phx for the 60(14-16 oct) and 55 (21-23 oct)tourney's and will have those days with nothing to do,if he has a demo i wouldn't mind trying it out,or even just hitting with him.....
Oct. 6, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
I have witnessed so many off brand equipment products come and go. Some were as good as the top brands, but marketing and delivery is the name of the game. For that matter, there have been products that have been better than the top equipment products that have gone by the way side because they could not get enough market share fast enough.
Oct. 6, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
pricer,bill pulled his production from china back to the states,i do hope he can get it off the ground and running,from what i have seen of his earlier models not to bad.and yes it is rough to get started.
Oct. 6, 2011
Marv19
Men's 60
424 posts
MD: I would hope he would be out and about for those 10 or 11 days. He Lives in the Phoenix area. Right now I'm getting our Bat Bag off the ground. It's looking like a winner so far. There should be several guys in Phoenix with them on their backs or in tow behind them. If you see Jerry tell him hello. I cant go I'm going to my 50th class reunion. Do you believe it. This year some of my buds from the Football team are the reunion committee. I can't miss that one softball withstanding :O) Should be a blast!
Oct. 6, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Marv,
You might have "thought" about that near the end of the business 'marriage'. As you know 'business' of any sort can get to be cut throat. I think that's the stage your in.
I don't know DR's back ground but know some of yours and I think you can get through it with better planning than the one I posted about and just do it right.
The fireds down there are for the most part great, One exceptions might by the open field parks.
I haven't seen anything on the positive or neg side of the Lancaster T. Wonder it it happened...

Where was the bag made ? Looks good.
Oct. 6, 2011
Marv19
Men's 60
424 posts
Taits: Pretty pathetic when your creativity is limited to your former partners Corporate tag line for your new name. I guess I should have done an ethics background check. Who does those anyway :O)

I heard Lancaster had 6 teams show up. Two were Titans and of the 4 remaining at least 3 needed to qualify for Phoenix.

Where are those open fields? The SCSSA doesn't have any tournaments on open fields.

Have fun in Phoenix. Wish I didn't have a conflict. My friend there offered her Phoenix Sun's box seats if I would have gone. Nice seats too.



Oct. 6, 2011
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Marv;
Not going 2 PHX. Surprised your not though.
Ethics comes in various forms I'd say. But feedback from associates, friends etc you get a clue at least. Kinda like the feedback on E-bay. I read the majority of the latest somewhere in the middle and for sure the first ones people I dealt with had.
Got burned once from someone in Europe, got another arrested and served about 3 years in PA. Haven't been on there for 4-5 years now.
I knew one Titans team was going wasn't sure about the other.
Six teams? Not sure that covered cost.
Open fields are in a city T's are called by another cities name. Forget that too. Was about 5 years ago when there.
I played for Phil Cook. May he rest in Peace.
Oct. 6, 2011
Marv19
Men's 60
424 posts
I got my info second hand but this is what I heard.

Wongs
R&R 55
Kamikaze
Barcelona Bandits
Titans (2ea)

Oct. 26, 2011
1billyd
28 posts
Looks like this puppy isn't going to fly. The website (gscbats.com)is a sham and spite of many requests, not a word of information has been forthcoming. Looks bad.
Oct. 26, 2011
gates24
41 posts
Not a puppy any more…..the web site (gscbats.com) is upgrading to a new host and will be up when we are ready. As for as production we are still building the production line. Found some issues that needed to be fixed before production and as we understand many have been waiting it is still better to get it right from the start. As we stated before we are not in a rush to deliver and have found it is better to change the tooling now then later.
Say what you will however we are in full gear here in Charleston.

Bill Gateley
sportsaz@msn.com
480.241.3717

PS: if you want more information just call me.
Oct. 26, 2011
gates24
41 posts
By the way, you can reach me at my new email.
bill@gscbats.com

or you can contact our Senior softball director.
richard@gscbats.com
Oct. 26, 2011
Dbax
Men's 60
1223 posts
Yada yada yada.
Nov. 2, 2011
dean3661
Men's 50
2 posts
Its funny i won a gate senior bat at the villages in Oct.how can they give me a prize that doesn't exist yet?
Nov. 2, 2011
gates24
41 posts
The TD at the Villages sent me your address and when ready we will ship your bat. However we do need to know what size. Please let me know at bill@gscbats.com

thanks
Nov. 2, 2011
birdie
Men's 60
671 posts
Bill, It was nice to meet you in VA. Beach. Now for the question of the day. Will I have my ASA Spirit bat by the start of the 2012 season? I would like to donate my current ASA bat to the troops overseas this week but do not want to be without one for next year. I will donate it anyway. I will find something to swing. Thanks Harry #20 NV FORCE
Nov. 2, 2011
oneofeleven18
Men's 50
56 posts
Does this mean that I will get my bat soon that I paid for in October, 2010?
Nov. 2, 2011
gates24
41 posts
oneofeleven18,
Please contact me to make sure you are on the list.
bill@gscbats.com
480.241.3717
Nov. 15, 2011
pitcher55
Men's 55
130 posts
gates24,when do you think the orders will be filled? i know you've had some problems getting everything going.with so many players waiting for delivery, and others waiting to order,maybe you could give us an update every week. thank you.
Nov. 18, 2011
surf88
Men's 60
845 posts
Bill, My brother, Matt, is in Charleston working on TV Series "Army Wives". He is a set painter and coatings applicator. Show wraps up today. Give him a call as he wanted to talk with you. 843.384.7061.
Nov. 18, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
surf, can your brother get me an autographed photo of Kim Delaney? Or better yet, a date? =)
Nov. 18, 2011
curveball
Men's 65
395 posts
I think maybe he'd trade you an autograph from one of your guys, Jim Galloway, Myron Reinhart, Don Arndt, Tex Collins. Bert Smith, or Bruce Meade. He won't want to exchange dates though!
Nov. 29, 2011
Paco13
353 posts
Any updates on this. Their Camp is not answering e-mails or phone calls...
Nov. 29, 2011
gates24
41 posts
Our 'camp' answers all emails and phone calls...

We will release an update next week.

Bill Gateley
480.241.3717
sportsaz@msn.com
bill@gscbats.com

Nov. 29, 2011
oneofeleven18
Men's 50
56 posts
Sorry to disagree but not according to a local guy who sent you two in one week and has not heard back from you. It would be better to say most are answered in lieu of all. I think an update would satisfy most people.
Nov. 29, 2011
gates24
41 posts
May I suggest to your friend maybe a phone call might be in order :)
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