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Oct. 21, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Here's the thing, seriously.....
why the need for the senior bats and preoocupation with the hardness/liveliness of the balls?

Clearly guys must have a psychological need to use them, or why are they still permitted?

Apparently the liveliness of the balls is a need as well, or there would not be so many reoccuring threads and complaints about them.

Why are they so important to so many when the competition, friendships, camraderie, and ability to still play into our middle and old ages would all still be the same without them?
Oct. 21, 2011
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Seriously, Gary19.............You missed the point when it was pointed out years ago............
SSUSA....Senior Softball as we know it...........Put out rules which include senior bats.......Senior softball players came, saw the rules and decided to play. Along came Gary19, several years later, asking why we are playing with these bats when we don't need them. It doesn't matter, senior softball players saw the rules when they came to play and decided that they would play with those rules. Next year, those playing ASA Senior Softball will also play with Senior bats. Will you be posting your disagreements on the ASA web site as well?
Oct. 21, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
No disagreement intended. Just wondering why the bats and balls are so important.
Oct. 22, 2011
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2581 posts
To me the senior bats are very important, not for me but to keep altered bats out of senior softball. If senior softball went to utrip bats there would be a number of players that would use shaved sticks. Being able to use the 1.21 bats makes it unwise to use anything altered.
Oct. 22, 2011
crusher
Men's 70
380 posts
Thank You Bruce..........YES........
Oct. 22, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
Bruce, I believe if you’re a cheater, it won't matter. You'll find a way to cheat. I don't think for a minute that senior bats are the reason we don't have a problem. I think for the most part you and most of the others have something the cheaters don't. INTEGERITY
Oct. 22, 2011
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Pricer IMO you are right to a degree, but having Senior bats does take away ONE way cheaters can cheat. Will they find another way? Most certainly, like criminals find ways to stay ahead of the law.

Gary, like any sport we use what is allowed to make our experience the best possible, if its a bat or a ball or hockey gear, what does it matter? The basic game is still the same and the guys playing are still the same, just older.
We get together for the love of the game and the fondness we have for our fellow players, and the competition that fuels our desire for an active life style.
There is no hidden agenda or clear cut issue with the equipment we are allowed to use. Believe it or not.
Oct. 22, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Pricer is 100% correct. Guys cheat to get an edge. Using the same bats as their opponents, no matter how lively those bats are, does NOT give them what they are looking for. To think there are no shaved senior bats is really naive.

E4, if everyone is getting together for those noble-sounding things, then why the protectiveness of the bats, and why the constant threads about "crappy balls"? Neither of those affect the list of reasons you gave, yet they are very important to many/most playing the senior game.
Oct. 23, 2011
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Gary I believe there are some who post here that will argue most any point, just to argue. Because you dont play Senior tourneys but still try to make an argument concerning Senior Bats, many here may take exception with your credibility to discuss the issue.
Almost everyone who joins the discussion(s) over bats and balls states they would play without them (senior bats)if they were banned or never came into play. And would gladly play with a lesser ball if thats what were available.
I, like Wood, invite you out to play any of the Major SSUSA tourneys to experience for yourself what its really all about. And it isnt the bats and balls.
Until you step out from behind the small amount of teams at tourneys excuse as your reason for not playing them, you may as well continue to live thru us who do choose to play regardless of how many teams are in a bracket. If that doesnt tell you why we play you as usual are missing the point.
Gary you can bet if there were no Senior Bats the instance of cheating would be far far greater then it is now. And theres nothing naive about that.
Oct. 23, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
In your view, how many tournaments do I have to witness to understand how at least the local tournaments work? Not sure how slow of learners most of the guys here are, but I have played in 7 senior tournaments (including 4 as recently at 2010) and have watched probably a handful of others. This has been more than enough to understand, again, at least the experience of the local tourneys.

If you are correct, given all of the changes and concessions the game has to make for the senior bats, then why are they still allowed? I hear one reason is all the "investment" guys have in them, yet on the other hand I read about all the breakage. So, depending on which story you want to believe, if the bats are having to be replaced anyway with some frequency it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to phase them out. Again, IF you are correct that "Almost everyone who joins the discussion(s) over bats and balls states they would play without them (senior bats)if they were banned".

Not mention if the balls aren't important why are there constant threads whining about them?

How is that an "excuse"? The preponderance of tourneys are these local ones with few teams, and often the same ones unless you really want to travel into a completely different region.

If you want to spend hundreds of dollars a weekend for typically small brackets that is your choice. Remember, I firmly believe PT Barnum was on to something.

Why do you think guys cheat? Pretty simple to me, to get an edge. And if everyone is using stock senior bats, makes NO difference how lively they are, then there is not that edge. So of course many of them are going to continue to look for the edge that the cheaters have always looked for. Yes, those who think differently are naive.

And as far as "continue to live thru us", oh please don't falsely flatter the majority of guys on here.
Oct. 23, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
By the way, regardless of bracket size, situations where teams have to give the other team runs or let them play with an extra fielder is NOT softball/competition/logical/fun/prideful by most any definition. And teams taking "wins" with gifted runs or extra fielders are probably worse.

People are supposed to spend hundreds of dollars for THAT?????????????????

I am sure "national" tourneys are good events, but by definition (since there really should be only one per association each year - last I checked this year's one and only MLB World Series is being played tonight) they are few and far between and all the rest of the tournaments seems to leave a lot to be desired by most reasonable standards.

To me it is unfortunate, but due to narrow age ranges and too many divisions this seems to be what Senior tourney life is. I don't expect 32-team brackets with any regularity anymore, but 4 teams is just way toooo small for me.
Oct. 23, 2011
steve65
Men's 65
175 posts
Why do you think guys cheat? Pretty simple to me, to get an edge. And if everyone is using stock senior bats, makes NO difference how lively they are, then there is not that edge.
Gary the above is copied and pasted from your last comment. "To get an edge". I and everyone playing run at a given speed. I can cover a certain amount of ground. If a ball is hit with a lets say 98 bat I can get to the spot to intersect with it therefore an out --now the same ball hit by the same batter with a 121 bat gets to the same spot that much faster and I cannot get to the intersecting spot. Therefore the "hotter" bat gives an EDGE to the hitter. Thank you Lord for common sense.
Oct. 23, 2011
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Gary19.....Seriously, you just don't get it. Someone, perhaps you asked a hypothetical question " Would seniors play if senior bats were not allowed?" The answer is, was yes to that question. Now you're asking why are they still allowed if seniors would play without them. The answer is that same as it was some 10 years ago. The rules for SSUSA allow them.

It matters not how much they cost or how often they break. Seniors will continue to purchase them. A lot of senior bats were purchased in Phoenix these past two weeks. They were either replacements for broken ones or just some to have as spares. Some guys spend their money on beer, others spend it on bats. That is their prerogative. Sure,some complain about early breakage, but they still go out and buy a replacement. You didn't see any K-mart or Wall-mart $19.00 special bats it Phoenix.
Oct. 23, 2011
Sisavic
134 posts
How many golfers are still using wooden clubs and golf balls from F. W. Woolworth? Case Closed!

Oct. 23, 2011
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Gary are you saying everyone who uses a senior bat and enjoys todays game as it is, is a SUCKER?

I still challenge you to attend and play IF you can find a team to have you, any of the major tourneys, Reno, Mesquite, Vegas, Huntsman, PHOENIX, or any of the others scattered across the country. Then after you have this experience tell those of us who play tournament ball on a national level how we are wasting our time and money.
And by name and definition Phoenix is the only World Champion Ship tournament held by SSUSA.

I liken your comparison of MLB to Senior Softball as I would MLB to minor league ball, there is no comparison.
Try not to be quite so literal in your translations, we know we arent playing true National tourneys until we get to Phoenix.


Oct. 23, 2011
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
i have one thing to say Gary19 w.t.f.y.c!
Oct. 24, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Sisavic,

How many rules of the game of golf have been changed or added to accommodate the new clubs and balls? None, as far as I can tell.

Actually, some of the attempts at new balls have been banned over the years.

Nice try though. LOL

E4, AGAIN I will say I am sure the bigger tourneys are very nice. But AGAIN, they are but a very small percentage of the tourneys played over they year, as they should be.

Sorry about being so literal, you aren't the first person to tell me that, but you know as well as I do the word "national" is thrown around MUCH more than is appropriate. Perhaps I could be not quite so literal, or perhaps the associations could use the language a bit more precisely. :)
Oct. 24, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1931 posts
Gary-FYI, they have had to make better golf courses much longer now for tournament play to accommodate the new technology in golf. That is not a cheap adjustment to the technology.
I just got back from World. We had a marvelous time!!! I had the pleasure to meet a lot of the guys on the board here, and renew friendships with a few I already knew. I even got to meet Einstein!! I pointed to one of the guys on my team and told him it was garyc, and he was headed to get a bat to go after him!!!! But the atmosphere was fantastic, and that's what senior softball is all about.
Come on, Gary-none of us is indestructible like you and I think the new rules have helped a lot of guys be able to play at this age. Is that really all that bad? But, I would still be here without the senior bats, too. If you want to play ball with the kids--by all means, go play!!!!!! Then you can complain about their rules. Very, very few here agree with you.
Oct. 24, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Mark, they have also made bigger field since the days of Galloway, Collins, Axelrod, Annotico, and the like, so I just considered that a wash.

I am certainly not indestructible, but many of the new rules to help guys still play are there to offset the insistence on the bats and balls. So no, rules for that reason are not bad at all, but time limits, run limits, home run limits, mats, and second home plates do nothing to help guys be able to play. Most of those are there to artificially end games that the equipment artificially prolong. And I have NO idea why the mat is there. One size fits all strike zones are absurd.
Oct. 24, 2011
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
Gary19,
I've been playing on 300 ft+ fields since the mid 70's, even when playing against Galloway, Meade, Scherer, Rathman, Ford, Cellura, etc, etc. so that ain't a wash at all.

The ASA worlds has time limits, run limits, second home plates, second 1st bases, home run limits, so what's your point about equipment?

6 ft. arc to 12 ft. arc is the same no matter how tall you are. If it hits the plate or the mat it's a strike. Keeps things consistent and makes me responsible for hitting a strike rather than putting my fate in the hands of a wishy washy umpire who has trouble with the strike zone. Hardly absurd.

Webbie, you are correct again.
Oct. 24, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Al, I spent the 60s watching the worlds in Parma every other year on 275' fields. So yea, both sports have lengthened their playing field.

The strike zone, with the mat, is a fixed-length horizontal mat. NOT a vertical strike zone from each individual's back shoulder to his knees like it was intended. Clearly the vertical zone is tailorred to each batter's height, the mat is not.

Who said the strike zone is supposed to be consistent? It is supposed to be within each batter's shoulder and knees. NOT the same for a guy 5'6" and one 6'8" as it is with the mat.

Oh, and I bet the umpires have much less trouble calling the game than the players do playing it. Watch a game, the players make far more mistakes.
Oct. 24, 2011
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
That's good, except back in the 60's everything was ASA and the field dimensions for ASA were 275 ft. Back then 275 ft. was a poke. USSSA didn't come into existence at any level until 1968.

For once you're right. The players do make more mistakes during a game and that's the way it should always be. The players should always decide the outcome of the game. Nobody else.
Oct. 24, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Understood about the 60s, though not sure what that has to do with fields lengthening to accommodate livelier equipment.

Exactly, which is why making any mention of umpire quality is silly.
Oct. 24, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1931 posts
When I first saw the mat, I hated it. However, I hated even more having poor umpires dictating the way I hit. It's not perfect by any means, but I can relax when I know a pitch is out of the strike zone, because I know an umpire is not going to call me out on a bad pitch. I really like it in 1-1, because when an umpire calls that first extremely high strike, you are reduced to hitting the next one that is way out of the strike zone. Even with the mat there is usually some controversy about height. GI from CJ&S already alluded to the high pitches he was throwing me in Phoenix and he even got a couple ridiculous ones called strikes. I just laughed in the batters box because the calls were so bad. But, we had 4-3 count, too.
Oct. 24, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
"poor" umpires determine outcomes FAAAAAAAAR less often than poor playing.

Why do guys always think they can judge height and the strike zone better than the umps? Just so silly!
Oct. 24, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1931 posts
Good grief, did I say that? Maybe I was a bit unclear saying I like the mat to protect from POOR umpires who do not know the strike zone from a hole in the ground, and I have met too many of those. That was separate from the height issue this weekend-I was just pointing out there are always going to be issues with calling pitches. I think if everyone took a 12 ft tall stick out and put it between the mound and plate at the point pitches are at their highest, a lot of guys would be surprised.
Oct. 24, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
There are going to be issues with many calls umps make, and usually those issues are caused by (a) players who don't know the rules, sad but very true with guys this age (b) players who are pathetically biased (c) players who are looking for a scapegoat when they do an incredibly stupid thing or (d) players who are just jerks.

I totally agree with you on that 12' stick, and how low it really is compared to what pitchers get away with. But what most guys won't admit is their pitcher is getting away with the same height that they are whining about the other guy getting away with. Again, bias and jerks.
Oct. 24, 2011
hombre
Men's 60
220 posts
Here's the thing, seriously. Most of those who engage Gary 19 in pig wrestling may be missing the point. Gary's posts are a cry for attention from an underachiever who lives in a fantasy softball world in which he is of some significance. For some, negative attention is better than no attention.
He is a self admitted hypocrite who uses the same high performance bats that the real senior tournament players use. His continual "special bat" reference is simply a term he uses to get under player's skins. If the bats weren't of the type that 95% of real senior ball players use, they would be special. It's just his insult.
When he can't turn a discussion into a PWM about bats, he will use a sarcastic, negative or otherwise insulting remark to vomit on the thread. This is to elicit a response that he feels gives him legitimacy on this board. When he can't make a legitimate argument, he resorts to putting words in other's mouths.
Gary isn't familiar with the experience of camaraderie, fellowship, and athletic excitement that the rest of us enjoy. So he cowardly sits at his keyboard questioning the manhood, intelligence and motivation for playing of the thousands of players who he doesn't know or know anything about. I'm sure that if could muster the testicular fortitude to play and find a team that would have him, he would learn much from the players he insults on a daily basis.
And here I'm engaging in pig wrestling. I'm such a hypocrite.
Oct. 24, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
Webbie, I'm the opposite when it comes to umpires. I hate the mat. Bad umpire will still be bad with or without the mat. As a pitcher, you lose so much with the mat. We also still pay the same amount for the umpire's wether they are bad or good umpires.
Oct. 24, 2011
17Black
Men's 50
206 posts
Pricer, I agree with you, I'm not a huge fan of the mat either-----now it is consistent though, it's either a strike or a ball period.

As a pitcher (I used to pitch USSSA, ASA, NSA, ISA) I can't stand the mat (But tolerate it) because my ball moves a lot, and several strikes over the plate in "softball of the past" are balls in senior ball because they cross the mat at angles and don't hit it all the time. Other pitches are balls in the old days but hit the mat for strikes, I don't like that either, and honestly, the plate was never part of the strike zone in the past either. Now you can throw a short pitch and the seem hits the front of the mat and its a strike.

And as a batter, if you are up in the box, pitches way over your back shoulder can still hit the mat too. Gets you swinging at some bad pitches or forces you not to move up in the box---------pros and cons either way I guess???

I understand why we play with it, and most umps are "pretty good" but not perfect with the arc, but I did prefer playing with umps who have to call balls and strikes, especially as a pitcher.

Quite frankly, I don't pitch too much anymore because of the mat, and play mostly infield instead.
Oct. 25, 2011
hitman
Men's 65
290 posts
Hombre,

Great post, just can't understand why we have to put up with this type of muck from somebody who doesn't even play.
Maybe he was the little kid who got picked on and now can hide behind his keyboard and feel big and strong.

Oh yea I smell it Now!!!!!!!!!!!

Mad Dog got any Combats for sale cheap?????????

The Hitman
Oct. 25, 2011
pushin60
Men's 60
63 posts
Hombre, thanks for hitting the nail right on the head. I agree with you 100% .
Oct. 25, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
There is that "doesn't even play" stuff again.

Really guys, come up with something new. And honest.

Those of us with actual intellect and education don't need 10 years of tournaments to recognize what 90+% of tournaments, and the changes in the game, are like.
Oct. 25, 2011
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
pushin60,

Hombre's intellect and education came through with flying colors in his last post. I concur with both you and him.

And Gary19, Please, if anybody needs to come up with something new, you should try looking in the mirror. Oh, you may not want to do that because you might see Hombre's description.
Oct. 25, 2011
perly
88 posts
Hombre, nice, facutal, to the point post.

Gary19, you are not going to change the game. How long are you going to rant and rave over things that obviously the majority want. Can't you give the SSUSA, SPA and other Senior Organizations credit for listening to the players and giving them the game they enjoy. If the majority wanted to hit non-senior bats and socks that's what we'd be hitting.

If you hate the current game so much go find another sport to play. Your one man critiques are not going to change anything.

You must love being negative and controversial. We are all your puppets, arguing with you when you don't even play tournament softball.

What a master manipulator you must be. To bad you don't put your efforts into something positive!!!!!!



Oct. 25, 2011
neck10
476 posts
the bats are ok we just played in phoenix in the 55 major & a lot of guys hit the middle on us but our pitcher fielded most everything they hit I think we even played gary 19 team werent you the left handed pitcher ?I didnt see anything going own where the bats made a great difference.
Oct. 25, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
No, not me. I only throw a left-handed pitch on rare occasion. Normally right-handed.
Oct. 25, 2011
southernson
250 posts
Actually as it relates to the 12' stick, most umpires really rarely give you the full 12 feet, most are around 10-10 1/2.
The links in the fence at the park are
3" chain links, times 48 = 144in or 12 ft.

So go to the park, count up 48 links, and tell me most umps give you that pitch. Fact is they don't.

And Hombre, thanks man, you hit the nail on the head. Much appreciated...
Oct. 25, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
I cannot tell 12' with a naked eye any better than the umps can, few can. But I have been in cages hitting where I ask the owner/worker how high the top netting is, throw a "usual" legal pitch, and can see how easily I hit the net. 12' is only the top of a backboard that a number of guys can touch. Many, many "legal" pitches cannot be blocked by those same guys, I don't believe.
Oct. 25, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Not that the naked eye can tell 12' anyway, but the arc limit really needs to be raised.

Simple geometry tells us that a 12' pitch thrown fron the old 46' rubber comes down at a steeper angle than the pitches being thrown from up to 56' now. Everytime we move back the rubber, or create a pitching box behind the rubber, without increasing the upper limit all that is being done is flattening out the pitches.

I am not sure if that is the intention, but is a geometric end result.
Oct. 25, 2011
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
From DIRTY earlier this year "No, it will just mean the pitch will have to be thrown with slightly more speed to carry the extra distance. It will only be shorter if the pitcher allows it."
Oct. 25, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
hitman what chu trying to say.......

i did sell off my 26 oz combats tho,my reebok has broke(less than 400 swings)with very little tourney time on it(dalton and 60's in phx)so will be sticking with combats from here on out.used my 29 oz combat this past weekend in the 55's.

hombre you are dead on with your post....ask any ohio teams that are close to him,they don't want him.........
Oct. 25, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Uh, okay. Not sure what that has to do with this. Not to mention that was probably taken out of context.

Nonetheless, it is basic geometry that a pitch with 12' of arc will have a flatter trajectory from 56" than from 46', or from 50', or from anything less than 56'.

Do you need further explanation?

Oct. 25, 2011
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
No thanks Professor, you have said quite enough!
Oct. 25, 2011
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Gary19.....Sorry, it was last year. When someone asked about moving the pitcher back 5', I said
"Moving the pitcher back without increasing the arc will make for short pitches. Short pitches have a habit of coming right back to the pitcher." BUT you disagreed, as always, and said "No, it will just mean the pitch will have to be thrown with slightly more speed to carry the extra distance. It will only be shorter if the pitcher allows it." You didn't need a higher arc then, but now you do.
Oct. 25, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
That was really directed to salio, but I was just trying to help.

pup, any names of your "sources" you care to share? Repetitive unsubstantiated allegations really don't carry much weight.

Post them here or you can send them to gsommers19@hotmail.com. Either way is fine with me.
Oct. 26, 2011
Wayne 37
188 posts
@Gary19

I played with mad dog this weekend in the 55's. We were both pickup players for the Dallas Spurs 55AA He hit a couple of dingers, one a grand salami. He also played a pretty decent 2B. Pretty light on his feet for a big guy...........LOL

I was the Wayne playing right center(wearing #0) for most of the tourney, and made a couple of great sliding catches. Bobby carries quite an array of bats to say the least. I don't think I saw him leave with as many as he came with.

There was only one Combat that I saw in the dugout, and I saw Mr. Butler swinging one.

So there you have it.
Oct. 26, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
hi wayne,glad to be able to play with you guys this past weekend,had a great time.you seem to move pretty good for someone close to my size also,of course your younger...LOL.....yeah i got rid of the 3 26 oz combats this past weekend,the one i was using is 29 oz endloaded one,love those combats...with the money i got from the ones i sold i got a new black one at 28 oz,and paid my way home so momma could see me again..LOL....otherwise i would be sleeping in my truck somewhere between phx and tyler....LOL....and don(i know you read this board)thanks for having me with ya's.


dipty,maybe ask the teams you have played for and let them tell you,or even the ones you have asked to play with there,can't be that many teams..........
Oct. 26, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
pup, so you have nothing?

Not surprised.
Oct. 26, 2011
Webbie25
Men's 60
1931 posts
Wayne37-I got the chance to meet mad dog in Florida at the TOC. In person I found him to be a person I would call a friend. We may disagree-even strongly- on some issues, but that's no biggie!
Sorry I didn't see you in PHX-will you be in Vegas, mad dog?
Oct. 26, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
webbie sorry i missed ya,also.hey you disagree not me.....LOL.......



yeah your right dipty,you can play with any team in your area,they want you b/c your the best........let us know what teams you have played for,or asked to play with that wanted you to stay or play for them,then you'll have your answer.
Oct. 27, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Still nothing.

And where did I ever say the crap you just claimed? The best? Never said that. And where did I want to stay?
Oct. 27, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
tell me your teams,if you can answer that question,that will let you play with them,just answer that.......
Oct. 27, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
So now you want me to provide your "evidence"?

Couldn't tell you, I haven't looked around all that much. Not in years.

"And where did I ever say the crap you just claimed? The best? Never said that. And where did I want to stay?"

Now that I have addressed you, your turn.
Oct. 27, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
still you refuse to tell us about any senior tourney team you have played with,or attempted to play with,so your saying you have never tried to play senior tourney ball.......
Oct. 27, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Keep bluffing. You just want info from me to cover the fact that for months you have alleged you have first-hand information but haven't/can't cite any sources. Not any at all.

"I haven't looked around all that much" Now where in this does it say never, like you just alleged? Why do you keep making stuff up, but can't back any of it?
Oct. 27, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
i have 2 teams from ohio that said you'll never play with them so divert from answering all you want.one is an AA(maybe AAA now) the other was a M.........if that is not a clue enough for you well to bad.......and i have actually put one of the teams on here a couple of years back........
Oct. 27, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
The only Major team I know of from NE Ohio asked me to play with them maybe 5 or 6 years ago, but was was not available at that time. Since then they have gone on to do pretty well with the guys they have. Matter of fact I have been friends with their manager since we played against each other in a high school co-ed league many years ago. Speak with him all the time when I run into him.

I don't know of any AA teams, but a AAA team up here decided to go in a different direction this year. I play with or against all of them in our local league, and know some of them aren't too fond of my approach to pitching. Fine with me, to each his own.

I also know in the 6 years I have played in this league I have 5 either league or tounament championships, so I am guessing my ability to win is not being questioned. But again, they can have whoever they want, hasn't affected my relationships with any of them as far as I can tell.
Oct. 27, 2011
Pricer
Men's 50
616 posts
Why do we have to question anyone ability or experience on here. If that is the only criteria for posting, why don't we all waite for the Big Cat and the rest of the Major players from our era to post and only then we shall be able to speak. There might be teams that don't want me to play with them, but should that matter in a message board?
Oct. 27, 2011
db14
90 posts
Come on guys......a high school co-ed league, 5 local city league championships (out of 6) as well as attendance at some unknown (college or community college) in North East Ohio. That coupled with a life behind a key board..... You cannot possibly challenge those credentials! I'm off to burn my "special bats"
Oct. 27, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
I was just trying to give a timeframe to how long I have known him. Sheesh, crucify me for something done almost 40 years ago. :(

By the way, the college was John Carroll (well, undergrad) and grad at The University of Michigan.
Oct. 27, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
db14 i'm with you,guess we aren't nothing,with all those league wins........
well let me put it out there,schones and the silverrado's are the 2 teams i talk with and neither wants anything to do with you........
Oct. 27, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Wow, are you guys not very perceptive. That comment was AGAIN just to give context to what I have done in the same league they all play in. You know, sort of apples to apples.

Nothing more, nothing less. But I am guessing any of you with intellect (sorry sad pup) would already have realized that.

Wtih Schones I did not play well, neither was the team when I was there though I know they had a lot of talent. The Silverados I have never played with. Was asked some years back when I first met a few of them, but they already had two pitchers who had been with them so I politely declined so as not to cause any potential problems, and heard a couple of years ago that some took offense to that. No offense was intended, but like I said I had just met some of them.

I never see any of the Schones guys at all anymore since they are based hours from me. As far as the Silverados that is strange since I play with a number of them in league here and get along just fine.
Oct. 27, 2011
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
Schones isn't Schones anymore. They're Docs. Kenny, Rex, Dave and the boys, they're a bunch of good guys. They were and are still very good. World Champs. Been playing against those guys for years.
I don't remember you.
Oct. 27, 2011
won3
9 posts
Just for reference AMR Major+ and NOP Major are from NE Ohio.
Oct. 27, 2011
Gary19
Men's 50
2617 posts
Could be wrong, but I believe that is the same team. Went by AMR previously, now Northern Ohio Printing. At least I know a lot of the guys that had been with AMR are now with NOP, including the manager.
Oct. 28, 2011
neck10
476 posts
just played in worlds in phoenix went 9 & 2 never had a team Home run limit against us I think we did once but didnt hit any for outs 5 hr limit.
Oct. 28, 2011
neck10
476 posts
salio2k do you know for sure ASA seniors are going to senior bats??????
Oct. 28, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
neck10,it is something that is supposedly gonna be brought up for the meeting,not a done deal yet,but ASA does use the 52-275/300 ball as one of their balls.i also hear they are gonna let the utrip type bats be used with the 52 ball also.i know all of my ASA parks that i play in,as of next year will be using the 52 ball,and we are going to be able to use any bat but senior bats for play(non-senior league).guess we got to wait and see....
Oct. 28, 2011
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
neck10........Here, in Southern California, they are allowed now. This is from the rules. "So Cal ASA uses ASA & SSUSA National sanctioned rules with the following emphasis and modifications in all So Cal ASA NON Championship events:

All SSUSA approved Senior Bats Will be Allowed.

I know that some states do not allow them today, but there is a proposal for 2012 to allow them.

http://www.socal-asa.com/adult/forms/2011_SoCalASASENIOR_RULES.pdf
Oct. 28, 2011
neck10
476 posts
thanks we play with all asa bats in our senior league,home runs are few and far between,almost never some guys have warning track power that could probably hit 3or 4 out a year with good bats it really kills the older guys you can play them in so close that they would be lucky to get 10 hits a year,I sugested that a guy 60 could use anything but ultra 2s 65 could use a ultra 2 70 & older anything they wanted,by the way Im 57 for our league this would make lots of sence.its hard to get teams must less if the guy can never get a hit ,but if he could burn you every now & again it would help them a lot,donnie c plays for one of the teams that would benifit .
Oct. 28, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
neck10,for league that has all ages,ya might look into having the outfielders stay behind a line till the ball is hit,kind of like the league coed lines,also any ball that is hit to the outfield on the ground the batter/runner can not be thrown out at first.also make all inf'ers stay in the dirt until the ball is contacted.it is a way to let the older guys still enjoy playing,we also let runners,run from the plate for the ones that need it.
Oct. 28, 2011
Wayne 37
188 posts
mad dog,

I think you got the wrong Wayne. The shorter, more rotund Wayne is the one I think you were referring to.
Oct. 28, 2011
mad dog
Men's 60
3919 posts
hey wayne2 you have a little size to you also now.....LOL......
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