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Discussion: New Combat Centenarian 10" barrel

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March 23, 2012
Mario
Men's 50
372 posts
New Combat Centenarian 10" barrel
Just got my new White Combat Centenarian and I must say it is all it has been hyped up to be. Ball was coming off of it quite well. Has above average pop for a new bat. Looking forward to seeing it loosen up some more here in the next few days.
March 23, 2012
colt
40 posts
Agreed if the durability is there they will be great.Put about 40 on mine and it is for real.
March 23, 2012
Captain Marauder
Men's 65
67 posts
I have one coming hope it is as good as the hype. The last bat I used with a 10 inch barrel was the Miken Edge back in 04. I didnt like it maybe this bat will work better for me , I,m told it has a 6.7 inch sweetspot.
March 24, 2012
kreugs
9 posts
Hey captain,the combat is for real.barrel is more like11" and feel about a ounce heavier then other senior bats.go down an ounce. Kreugs
March 24, 2012
SLOBALL1
Men's 50
173 posts
This bat is the real deal.Obviously don't know about durability yet but,from an offensive perspective bat is awesome.It does swing a bit end loaded but I swing 27 oz and the one I used was 27 and I was fine with it.
March 26, 2012
ALLPRO
41 posts
Can't find anything on this bat. Where did you get it?
March 26, 2012
Raymondo
7 posts
does this bat look like the last years model ?
March 26, 2012
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Look on softballfans. In the senior section.
March 26, 2012
SLOBALL1
Men's 50
173 posts
RAY as far as I know there was not a Centurian model Combat last year. Not a ten inch barell model I'm sure.This bat is a new model for 2012. Bat is White w/ Black or Navy Graphics.
March 26, 2012
Mario
Men's 50
372 posts
The 2 I just got have 10" barrels not 11".
THey look just like the Red DaBomb in barrel length.
March 26, 2012
colt
40 posts
e-mail me djaust@bellsouth.net can pass along names and numbers to order these.
March 26, 2012
colt
40 posts
Put another 50 swings on mine starting to get that Combat crack sound.
March 27, 2012
seedog
Men's 55
28 posts
Sloball y would u ever want to swing anything but you're mayhem? U r killing the ball with it
March 27, 2012
Gorilla Boy
Men's 50
187 posts
I just want to let the players know that I am taking pre-orders for the White Centanarian bat right now. I will have them in by the end of the week. You can go here to look at a picture of the bat.
http://www.bigcat844.com/softball_news.html

I hope this helps.
Gorilla Boy
March 27, 2012
tattooball
606 posts
Mike,
You should probably look at the production schedule.
March 27, 2012
colt
40 posts
Gorilla, The bats you are getting end of week are they the same exact bat as what tattooball has.
March 27, 2012
colt
40 posts
Thanks,was a little nervous ordered another today and then saw that there will be a variation coming from some retailers.
March 27, 2012
colt
40 posts
Thanks,was a little nervous ordered another today and then saw that there will be a variation coming from some retailers.
March 28, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
997 posts
hit the white one.. I believe out of canada.. The paint job failed big time.. but the bat started to perform after 100 swings or so... Like what I was seeing but the paint job was chipping off every swing..
March 29, 2012
miken44
78 posts
talked to combat 3/29/12 the white 10 inch barrel should be ready in may for the states right now canada seems to be where they can be found pricy shipping from what combat said
March 29, 2012
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Look on softballfans. In the senior section.
Under 200 delivered to So. Cal.
March 30, 2012
colt
40 posts
If you want to order a OG white call Kevin at 845-532-2668.The ones coming from Combat in MAY will have some variations from the OG.Kevin in great to deal with and designed these bats can answer all questions.
March 30, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
997 posts
any of you experiencing paint failure?
March 30, 2012
dano911sc
47 posts
Kreugs, did you fly down to play ball for me at the Toys4Tots Tournament at Twin Creeks, Sunnyvale NorCal about 5 yrs. ago?
Dano
March 30, 2012
Mario
Men's 50
372 posts
I have swung both of mine now and neither one has any paint issues.
March 31, 2012
hemi racer
Men's 65
77 posts
Morning Guys, is this white combat centanarian and the Mike Macenko senior gear model by Anacoda sports the same bat?
March 31, 2012
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2634 posts
No, they are different bats.
March 31, 2012
HJ
Men's 70
437 posts
What does OG mean?
March 31, 2012
saddlebrookrick
55 posts
A friend and I hit our new white combats last week and we both hope they will open up this week, I ordered a28oz and I wish I would of got a 27 because I normally swing a balanced bat. I also just got a new 27oz bal. Reebok which I will hit today and I can't wait to compare the two bats. Will update later.
March 31, 2012
colt
40 posts
HJ,
OG means original.
March 31, 2012
colt
40 posts
Saddlebrookrick,
Let us know how they compare,also have both and I really prefer the way the combat swings.Have one Reebok that has around 300 swings that is real good.Opened a new reebok the same time as the combat combat is better out of wrapper should be great if it keeps improving.
March 31, 2012
saddlebrookrick
55 posts
We both hit our new white combats again today and they did open up more, he has decided that he will use his as a bp bat and if it gets better then he will use in a game. He is crazy about the red mikens even tho he breaks one at least every 2 -3 months. I hit the combat another 60 hits today for a total of around 135 hard hits with 60 half swings to start. Today I also hit my new reebok 27oz bal. ,with 6o half swings then 60 hard hits. I must say that I prefer the reebok at this point.It maybe that I just hit better with a balanced bat,and also the combat may take longer to open up. I also think the combat will last longer because for both of us the breakin seems slow- - I guess we are not as heavy hitters like some on this board. I will update after every hitting practice. I hope I've not ruffled any feathers, but at this point I like the reebok much better.
April 1, 2012
colt
40 posts
Saddle,
Thanks for the info and liking the reebok better is fine everone needs to swing what works best for them.
April 1, 2012
colt
40 posts
Saddle,
Have a 28 balanced reebok with just 10 tee swings if you would be interested in trading the combat.
April 1, 2012
saddlebrookrick
55 posts
I would like to add that my friend has hit his combat more than I have hit mine and after hitting a lot yesterday his last 2 hits were home runs, the last hit about 325' and he was very tired - - so I think I will give it maybe another 100 hits to open up or see if I stsrt to like it more. colt if things don't change I may trade with you if you can tell me who you purchased it from.
April 1, 2012
colt
40 posts
It came from suncoast reebok.Would not be interested after you put to many hits on it,because the reebok is basically new.
April 1, 2012
hit it far
1 posts
i hit with joe and rich in s.f. a few weeks ago put about 100 swings on it and the paint was chipping but did not hit as well as the reebok.When i got home i called kevin order a 28. and got it a week later.I have 320 swings with no chipping on the white combat and it is hitting bombs and has no sign of craking.I love my reebok but the centanarian is now hitting harding and farther than the reebok.Everyone thats hits it now loves it.It needs more swings than reebok to get hot but when it does it is hard to put down just a great great bat .
April 1, 2012
saddlebrookrick
55 posts
We have had no problems with paint with our white combats, I hope they will start hitting like yours hit it far. colt I think it has potential so thanks for the offer - - I'll just keep it.
April 2, 2012
colt
40 posts
Saddle,Betting in the end you will be glad you kept it,happy hitting.
April 3, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
997 posts
I broke my black Centanarian today, it had a crack so I finished off in three swings Hit it Far.. Good hitting with you the other day.. I did hit joes bat again a few weeks later in BP at orange.. we had lousy balls and a bit wet. I started to one hop the 360 fence and Joe made me put it away.. LOL... I was about to go out with it.. He wouldn't let me.. I would say the white one opens up after 150 swings.. I will order one when I brake one on the two new rebooks I have.
April 4, 2012
rightrj1
Men's 55
208 posts
I took my new White Centanarian out today for a test drive...I must say the bat not only looks nice but it swings even better then advertised.
I hit about 70 balls with it today...70 degree & sunny very nice day for hitting. I hit about 30 balls well over 320, the bat feels really good going though the zone.

Cajack also took a few swings and he likes it also!

I also have the Black Centanarian and until Mesquite I wasn't a FAN..it took about 300 to 400 swings just to break in! The White one already seem like it's broken in after only 70 swings!

I hope the white is as durable as the Black one.
...I plan on putting it in tourney action later this month in Vegas.....Stay tunned!!!
Webbie don't forget, I owe you a beer...
Thanks Alan for your good customer service!
P.S.
Anyone in need of a 26oz REEBOK Melee? 5 swings on it! Make me a offer? OOOOh Decals coming off, Factory defect!!! I guess!lol
April 4, 2012
saddlebrookrick
55 posts
colt, I hit the white again today and I must say it is hitting better and better. Today it out hit my reebok. You might win that bet. I probably have approx. 175 hard hits on the white combat now. It now has a little webbing alround,but I can't tell any sound change yet.
April 5, 2012
Tri18
607 posts
Right! You are welcome! Pulling off the highway to ship it to you did two things,,,,woke me up and made me drive real fast out of there! I sold out all the white bats at the tournament when I arrived along with a lot of other bats. We had a great time in the parking lot talking bats, softball, and just trading old war stories. Getting in shipments today so if anyone needs anything get with me. Alan Tanner tricoach18@att.net 561-718-7504
April 5, 2012
canIjack
Men's 60
321 posts
Ron thats canijack, whats this cajack sh.. U know my name. And yea I swung his new toy. I won't get so excited until I see were this bat is in 6 months (Durable). But being its a Combat, looks like Big Papa will being gettin him a new stick this summer.
April 5, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
997 posts
Just talked to Joe Ranaldi who had a defective paint job.. they are replacing the bat no charge.. FYI
April 5, 2012
Go Boom
Men's 50
9 posts
heard today an improved version of this bat will hit the streets next week.
April 5, 2012
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
The streets of NY? San Francisco? Whistler?

What makes it improved? I heard it is not as good as the Canadian version. Good luck.
April 6, 2012
leftybob
Men's 50
63 posts
If anyone is looking to unload any balanced Reebok's in 26 or 27 oz let me know.E-Mail: esrom21@bellsouth.net
April 6, 2012
tattooball
606 posts
Of course you did because they can't get the 1st model. They have to tell you something to sell bats.
April 6, 2012
Go Boom
Men's 50
9 posts
so you are saying we should not believe this? you said the next bunch will be the same bat with a different knob not true either im confused
April 6, 2012
Go Boom
Men's 50
9 posts
so you are saying we should not believe this? you said the next bunch will be the same bat with a different knob not true either im confused
April 6, 2012
tattooball
606 posts
Yes so what is new and improved? Maybe improved like the MM2?

I know when we developed the bat with combat last year I did all of the improvements I could. They are not getting the one I sell, so just curious as to what they claim to be improved.
April 6, 2012
colt
40 posts
Saddle ,. I only bet on sure things my second just arrived and if I can sell a reebok I have ,one more will stay in the plastic.
April 6, 2012
colt
40 posts
Leftbob,
Have a 28 balanced with 10 tee swing for 150$ shipped and insured.
djaust@bellsouth.net
April 6, 2012
Go Boom
Men's 50
9 posts
you did all the improvements you could but are you at the factory in Canada? Can you be 100% sure whats about to be available is not better. look man I got no horse in this race just want to get the best bat for my money.
April 6, 2012
colt
40 posts
Go Boom,
Call Kevin talk with him,great guy will answer your questions.I dont know about the improved version but the one tattoball is talking about is a great bat.
April 6, 2012
tattooball
606 posts
You should buy from who you feel comfortable with and which bat you think is best for you. i certainly would not believe there is one better than another, just different. Anyone saying that is just lieing. The one I sell I believe is the best because of the knob and way it swings, many may not agree. The feed back we have received back from the players have all been positive, with the exception of 1 bat that has some serious paint chips. That bat is being replaced as we speak.
April 6, 2012
Go Boom
Men's 50
9 posts
you would not believe or you really dont actually know if this other version is different or maybe better.
April 6, 2012
tattooball
606 posts
I know exactly whats coming out, but your right I don't care.

You see in august of 2011 when we started this project no one wanted any of these bats, (retailers) Now that we have done all of the hard work, seeding and promoting the retailers all want in and they will do anything to sell a bat except the hard work. Every wants to buy the hottest bat and have their phones ring of the hook making money. It seems to me a guy with so much knowledge about the bats would have a few more post's than you do, but that is another story.

All I can say is buy the bat you feel is right for you and from whom you trust the most.
April 6, 2012
rightrj1
Men's 55
208 posts
Kennard,

My bad on your screen name :"CAN I JACK" ok now I get it...lol
Will you be ordering one for yourself?

Ok so, a new version is coming out to the US or is it the same version as the current ones that come from Canada?

Tattooball will the knobs be different then Canada"s smaller knob?

I think this is a really nice bat to have in your bat collection....Just waiting to see how druable it is!!!

Alan, let me know when you get in another shipment, I'd like to have another one?
April 6, 2012
tattooball
606 posts
Small knob is our exclusive, and I will be moving it to the states soon.
April 6, 2012
tattooball
606 posts
By the way Alan is everything he claims to be I have known him since the early 90's. Most new posters you have to question there MO but Alan is as true as he claims.
April 6, 2012
Go Boom
Men's 50
9 posts
you are a retailer? im so confused. do you work direct for Combat? I just want to know the difference it really dont matter much to me who is selling it as long as the price is equal
April 6, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
tattooball,
Good to gee your more involved here again.
Anderson also uses or did at least, a smaller knob, so why is this one any different?

Guys, here is one player who has the KNOWLEDGE relating to equipment, especially balls and bats.
April 6, 2012
tattooball
606 posts
Yes on the retailer part but will not post info. This board is sponsored by a retailer already. I am also a indpendent contractor and have worked with many companies in the past and few right now.

Combat makes the best senior softball bats, thats my opinion and only mine. They will also be releasing a few new ones that have not been talked about yet.
April 6, 2012
Tri18
607 posts
Tattoo... Loosen your grip on those things! Lol happy Easter to everyone.
Alan Tanner tricoach18@att.net
April 8, 2012
Go Boom
Men's 50
9 posts
been doing some reading and it seems as if these bats are the Pre production runs?? could be why the paint is inconsistent some are breaking at under 100 hits and some are not the proper lengths. I will wait for the next version and hopefully they will sort out these problems. good luck with your version.
April 8, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
997 posts
you know what is interesting, is when you have a great bat already... like the yellow and white Macheko bat... Why would combat not stick to these bats... They had pop and lasted!
April 9, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Just a thought here, but perhaps they don't stick with it because they know they can release a new model, make some claim or another about it, and the lemmings will run out to buy a number of them in the hope of getting another 8' of distance.

Players are their own worst enemy in this regard.
April 9, 2012
tattooball
606 posts
Again for someone with very limited post's you sure think you have a wealth of knowledge about this. We did the numbers this morning and the problems are with less than .4% of the bats sold. 2 have already been taken care of and working on the other 2. Where is your info coming from? We have already had great LUCK with this bat to the point of expanding the sales.

Thanks.
April 9, 2012
colt
40 posts
Have one with over 200 swings no problems with paint, no chips hits as well or better than any SR I have used.4% is a small# and these are being addressed.Does not seem like a major problem to me.Another factor that I have not seen is the balls being hit with the defective bats, 525s wet balls just wont work with any SR bats.
April 9, 2012
Go Boom
Men's 50
9 posts
the wealth is just simple reading on line. as I said good luck with your bat I will wait for the more main stream version. but last question when you say we did the numbers who does that mean. you never really answered if you actually work for combat. it seems a little hokey that to get one of "your" bats one has to call and have canada charge the card.never heard anything like that before now
April 9, 2012
tattooball
606 posts

the real question is who you work for. You must not have played much ball if you've never heard of getting a factory bat. TPS had the best back in the day but I think you know that already.
April 9, 2012
tattooball
606 posts
Ok, what is your motive? You show up on this message board for the first time with this name. You have so much knowledge about this bat yet you have never swung one. You have everything bad to say about the way combat and myself released the bat with no knowledge of why we did it this way.

We have sold 100's of these bats, not 1000 yet but way north of 100, and you are the only one here questioning the bat. Well I have been around along time and 1000's of senior players know me and can vouch for me 100's and 100's of senior players can come on this board and complain about the bat that have bought. Yet you are the only one. Why????????????

My customers speak for themselves and if they are unhappy they would and will be willing to say so. So where are all of they unhappy customers?

I think you just need to focus on your job and not worry about what I am doing.
April 9, 2012
Go Boom
Men's 50
9 posts
I do job placement work for people in Iowa. not sure what that has to do with you and your deceptive answer.
April 9, 2012
4x4
Men's 65
593 posts
At the moment I'm a few thousand miles away and on a different continent. But - - - I'll be one of the first to vouch for tattoball - he can hit with the best of us and he takes care to be fair to those around him. I have been in his office at the time and talked about bats being evaluated either RA'd or new and upcoming or current stock and trends.

He calls it the way he sees it and has a passion and understanding for the game/sport at all levels. As a player, evaluator of products, players, levels, and testing procedures. He consults with associations, usually at their request.

Is he beyond reproach - nope - none of us are.

But he does know what he is talking about. Especially when it comes to his product line - and most others.

April 9, 2012
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
4x4....well said

Go Boom....I don't think that Kevin's bat is for you. You should probably get a balanced bat. If you were to buy Kevin's bat, you would be coming back here to tell us what a terrible bat it is because you can't hit with it. With new bats, you should first ask to try out one of your friend's.
Those of us that have dealt with Kevin over the years and actually used the 10" Combat, know that what he tells us is the truth. Should he do an about face, and burn us, we will then not trust him in the future. Good luck with whichever bat you purchase.
April 9, 2012
tattooball
606 posts
GOBOOM Or I need to say Mr.Buggs here is your ip address 70.109.249.89 in longmeadxow ma.

Don't you have something better to do than try to discredit me.

Guy's this is a guy that I used to make balls for and ever since I left he has been attacking me whenever he can.
April 9, 2012
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Buggs...........You are an "Evil" man. The truth is this bat is definitely not for you!
April 9, 2012
titanhd
Men's 50
325 posts
Go Boom: GO BOOM!!
April 9, 2012
jim16
Men's 65
169 posts
I'll add a little history here for you guys who don't know whats going on with this thread. A few years ago when Kevin (Tattooball) was at Anaconda he came up with an idea for Bob Russell (AKA Bobby Buggs) to market a softball with the Evil Sports name. Bobby was becoming well known at the time as a bat doctor and at that time nothing was really wrong with being a bat doctor. Kevin developed the line and literally gave Bob a business. When Kevin left Anaconda he gave Bob the option of continuing on with the new company or with staying with Anaconda. Bob chose Anaconda but he was wary that his sales would decrease with the competition from Kevin's new ball, Tattoo. Bob began a campaign against Kevin on the softball fans board by making up new names on the board and posting negative unsolicited comments using a fictional moniker for softball fans posters. GOBOOM is another attempt by Bob to discredit Kevin. Bob does not live in Iowa, as GOBOOM claims, he lives in Massachusetts. Bob wants Kevins new bat to be discredited because he will be selling the second edition of the white Centurian with Anaconda.
I know all of this because I was in the same situation as Bob with regard to my ball the GURU. Kevin did the same for me as he did for Bob and when the move to Tattoo was made I chose to stay with Kevin, not Anaconda. Bob called me a few times trying to decide which was best for him, he chose to remain with Anaconda.
Jim Cary GURU Softball 903 236 3459
April 9, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
"Bobby was becoming well known at the time as a bat doctor and at that time nothing was really wrong with being a bat doctor"

Really? Seriously? You actually wrote that?

Worse yet, you actually think that?

This is an example of the lack of pride I speak of.
April 9, 2012
Dabigdawg3
67 posts
I thought Bobby Buggs had more class then this....I will not be buying anymore EVIL stuff after this Buggs. I will buy all Combats from Kevin and those sweet azz Tattoo Balls that FLY!

Shame on you Bob Russell(AKA) Bobby Buggs!
April 9, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
Gary,
Jim16 is correct on what he stated. Doctoring was around about 2 years (maybe even longer) before talk was even started about what it was doing to the game as well as the bats and any action started to happen about it.
I believe Bob ran a taxi service before he struck it rich in the Dr's business. Might still have it as well.
Evil balls are great balls though.

Go to almost any site and you can find related items\services and so fourth regarding them or it.


April 9, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Scott, maybe where you guys are, but around here you have to go back quite a few years to find bat altering that was considered acceptable. Probably back pre-composites when guys were trying tennis balls inside the barrel or were extending the lengths beyond 34".
April 9, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
Gary,
Was supposed to be 12 not 2. About when ASA started the bat bans. Actually, do a search in your area Cleveland and its there. NY has a ton and where I am and Jim is, it is also found now. Coast to coast corner to corner. Widespread, honestly.
The main softball boards its found but they also use code words as well.
I remember seeing a few bats that broke that had tennis balls in them. Also sat a bat extended to 35-36" once. (Somewhere in between)
Those were all alloy bats.
I had 3 Titanium bats but they were nothing compared to a composite. Dented one sold one traded other 2 for a new laptop I still use,
April 9, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
They are there.


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Few LOCAL results found. Here are some from NEARBY areas...

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April 9, 2012
colt
40 posts
I have purchased 2 bats from Kevin all went well and like the bats and anymore will also be purchased from him. If this junk is true about Bobby Buggs it's just unbelievable is he not the one that is with Steve Butler all the time spreading the gospel?
April 9, 2012
PJ3P
Men's 50
69 posts
Colt, NO Buggs is not Steve Butler's Gilligan LOL. And Taits, I think it was/is a pest control business. If you want to know how obnoxious Buggs is..... he should be called Buggs19.
April 9, 2012
colt
40 posts
Just thought I saw a video somewhere with the 2 of them.
April 9, 2012
Gary19
Men's 50
2615 posts
Scott, I didn't mean to say it wasn't done around here back then, but to say there was nothing really wrong with being a bat doctor is just absurd. Then or now.
April 9, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
Agreed. The one mentioned in another thread is still in business as are many others yet nothing is done about it\them... Go figure.
Go read popular or the well known websites see for yourself. You would need a calculator or computer to keep track of them.

April 9, 2012
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
PJ3P, you are correct.
Was wondering if anyone actually read these & paid attention to detail.
I do believe two on another thread noticed and one on here....
April 10, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
997 posts
TatTooball, Joe told me you sent him the combat which you are replacing because of the paint.. that's all I need to know about your integrity! As far as the Bat, it's opening up well and looks to be promising. We will see how the durability game goes.
April 10, 2012
Tri18
607 posts
Hey Swing, good luck with the new bat. Our testing proved it to be one of the most durable high performance bats out there so I am sure you won't be disappointed. Alan tricoach18@att.net
April 10, 2012
swing for the fences
Men's 50
997 posts
Hi Alan, I will be getting one sometime this year.. I look forward to breaking in Joe Ranaldi's new one when he gets it.. the minute it started to open up he made me put it away... He's very selfish.. LMAO
April 11, 2012
Tri18
607 posts
Indeed! Why would anyone do such a thing? Share the performance! Lol
Alan
April 12, 2012
GruntRVN
1 posts
A few years ago Anaconda sold a Combat Senior Softball Bat with a 10" Barrel ( I think it was a white bat with a redish design). A friend of mine gave the bat to a friend who was about to bat. He hit the 2nd pitch over the fence. He had never had that bat in his hands before. It is a true story. I think there was only one or two of those Combat 10" barrel bats in the Venus, FL area. I heard Anaconda stopped carrying it about 1 1/2 years ago. What is the difference between the old and new Combat 10" Barrel?

April 13, 2012
colt
40 posts
Grunt,
The only short barreled combat I remeber was the red one,it was a great bat.To me the white seems a little different in its balance point but not much also been a few yrs since I used the red so dont put much stock in it.
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