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Nov. 24, 2008
leftie
Men's 50
41 posts
Winter Worlds
Just got back from Vegas.
Had a lot of fun, won some games and got knocked on my butt a couple of times in the pitchers box, as did our other pitchers.
On one of the plays the ball hit me in the right side and knocked me backwards . The umpire determined that I was out of the back of the pitchers box. That's right, cuz that's where I fell after I got hit in the box.. Of course, the umpire failed to realize that there was no white line denoting the back of the box and that he has the worst perspective on the field from behind home plate.
Just before the game started, he told me that he couldn't tell if a player was across the safety line at first base..How the hell could he tell if I was out of the box?
Of course, the batter has 7 pitchers to pick from. Couldn't he find one that won't take the pitchers head off?
This rule needs to be addressed by SSUSA ASAP or they should all be fired with no golden parachutes.
The simple fix is: Between the pitching rubber white lines..Dead ball out. Doesn't matter where the pitchers is trying to hide.
Nov. 24, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Another bad part of the "rule" oversight is, pitchers are only required to have one foot in the box area, (a good thing) and there are a lot of pitchers like myself who have a tendency to step way out to the side when throwing the pitch. So there will be many times the pitcher is "out" of the box. So we are going to be penalized for a legal move that is deemed illegial or out of the box... Widen the box area to allow the sideways movement. If the ump isn't coming out to make calls he isn't doing his job. In the case above he should have at least come out to check for any sign of a backside line.
I guess the ump feels you need to be statuesque and stationary when hit. Like that's gonna happen.
Not much thought was given to this box thing.
Nov. 24, 2008
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
so aren't most pitchers shoulders wider than the box? mmmmm it would take much to say OH YOU ARE OUT OF THE BOX !
Nov. 24, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
I mentioned that in another post.
Bad planning or thought, ( lack of) if any, for this one...oh ya, a senior moment, lol
Nov. 24, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I understand the ball comes back up the middle quickly, and moreso the higher the level. But in all these discussions of this "situation" I rarely if ever read about the pitcher catching the ball.

The more the ball is caught, the fewer it will probably happen. I never read discussions about how to improve defensively, just about what new rules we need.
Nov. 24, 2008
Easy E
Men's 55
44 posts
Hey folks, this is just a thought. In some of the young kids associations the pitcher's box area is 8x8. If we adopt that size, then that may would help a little. Just my .02
Nov. 24, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey E,
That's a good idea for my money.
It goes along with the idea that there's lots we can do
if we want to without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Nov. 24, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Haven't seen that, but have seen the pitchers circle, as used in fast pitch.
Nov. 24, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Yea, "we" can work to improve defensively
Nov. 24, 2008
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
MANTECA LEAGUE USES A WIDE PITCHERS BOX!
Nov. 24, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
To those of you pitchers who actually work to improve, or at least slow down the decline, of your defense are you bothered at all that apparently lazy pitchers are getting special rules to help them?

I don't want to see anyone die either, but at some point pitchers have to either work to improve to give up the ghost and move to another spot on the field. No shame in that.
Nov. 24, 2008
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Dirty my man maybe if you pitched in some tournies that would be one less pitcher's that teams would be looking for.
Nov. 24, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
It would be, but that is a topic that has already been discussed to death.

Why is the thought of guys working defensively anywhere close to how much they take BP so offensive to people?
Nov. 24, 2008
sierahiker44
Men's 55
17 posts
I pitch and have pitched for 30 years. Now I pitch in 55 majors, as a pitcher i expect balls to come up the middle, its part of the playing field. I expect to get hit if Im not fast enough to stop or deflect the ball. Its p[art of the game. You wont see me complaining about it. I wear shin guards and a cup. Mabye Ill get some face protection if I feel I need it. I dont think anybody is out to hurt anybody. So bring it, mabye Ill get you out , or mabye you"ll get a hit. Its all part of the fun
Nov. 24, 2008
RIK56
Men's 50
120 posts
ok its the old fat pitchers turn to get in on this one.i agree with hiker 44 i expect the ball up the middle and will do my best to field it.i wear a cup and shin guards,i get hit maybe two times a year and have never had the feeling someone was trying to hit me.but how do i train for a 100 mph plus ball coming at me.i"m confused on this help me out on this one.also screen bad idea i can see a ball just nicking the screen and hitting the pitcher in the face.extra infielder sure i will take it but he wont be behind me i will use him to close the 6 or 4 hole.i appreciate ssusa for coming up with ideas like the pitchers box but i dont think it will work,i still was seeing balls hit up the middle in phoenix,and to many problems with was he in the box and did it hit him.
Nov. 24, 2008
etch
Men's 60
17 posts
sierahiker, your on to it son! i have more bone bruises than most. spent my share of time on the dl from shots up the middle! iv'e aquired a bull fighters mentality. Dirty is right also.practice your defence.if your scared, don't pitch! after the coin flip.BATTLE STATIONS BABY!!!
Nov. 24, 2008
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
come on etch you play aa! lol j/k
hows it going?
Nov. 24, 2008
curveball
Men's 65
400 posts
With all the new knees, new hips, and heart valves us seniors get, when are they going to transplant some young guys reflexes? That's my only problem. At 65, playing 60 Majors, the hitters have improved in both strength and in having alot hotter sticks. I have never been in favor of a screen, but my reflexes continue to decline with the years. 5 years ago I pitched in an open league with the kids, no bat rule. Ya, I took some shots, but always went back for more. As you age, the reflexes seem to accelerate at a faster rate than your age.
Just curious, guys like Dirty who work at pitching BP against guys in their 20's and 30's with shaved bats and UI's without a net, are there any other ways I can improve my reflexes? I pitch BP every Tues and Thurs, about 300 pitches, but the reflexes aren't getting any better. Dirty, how old are you anyway? And, do you pitch at the Major level or above?
Nov. 24, 2008
lazer larry
Men's 50
96 posts
RIK56 can you touch your toes with out bending over, if not then you can let some of those grounders go or deflect them with your shin pads. If you would pitch some batting practice then we could give you some fielding practice. LOL, Lazer
Nov. 24, 2008
lazer larry
Men's 50
96 posts
RIK56, by the way you made us Champions by catching the last grounder of the tourney. Rock on brother just keep diggen and throwen.
Nov. 25, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
GS,
You never say anything that doesn't start with "no" or the rejection
of whatever is being said or put forth.
You are fundamentally negative in your approach to us, all of us
and senior softball as we play, develop and experience it.
We who play invest, win, lose and suffer, officiate and bleed it
and you who stays back and criticizes it.
We're on to you and more of us are "getting" you, all the time.
Keep up the good work.
I say you're almost done.
Nov. 25, 2008
boomer1
Men's 55
14 posts
Guys, here is my two cents on pitchers box rule......unlimited arc and this is not an issue anymore. Pitcher was able to back up as far as needed and guys were hitting up the middle all the time and nobody ever complained or was hurt that I can remember. We played unlimited arc 30 years ago and they were great games.
Nov. 25, 2008
ROOSTER10
Men's 60
91 posts
GUYS,ALOT OF TALK ABOUT PROTECTING THE PITCHER,IN 40 YEARS OF PITCHING I HAVE BEENLUCKY EXCEPT LAST WEEKEND AT THE WINTER NAT. IN FL. I WAS HIT AND BROKE MY FINGER. I
PERSONALLY WOULD NOT WANT A RULE IN FHC TO CALL A OUT .IT IS PART OF THE GAME.THE ONLY REASON I GOT HIT WAS A LAPSE OF THINKING IT IS AN OUT HERE IF I GET HIT.I WAS NOT MENTALLY PREPARED AND DO NOT BLAME ANYONE EXCEPT THE RULE THAT REALLY DOES NOTHING EXCEPT GIVE YOUR TEAM AN OUT IF YOU GET HIT. LETS PALY BALL!
Nov. 25, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I am surprised to see so many of you don't really understand the game, or how to prepare for it. And here I thought playing 100 tournaments a year made you an expert.

You work at defense by getting in better physical condition so you can get and maintain good depth on your drops after release.
You do agility drills to quicken your feet while maintaining your balance and ability to get into a solid defensive position.
You toss yourself tennis balls/baseballs//softballs/anything off a wall from short range to soften your hands.

Now what amount of time do you guys spend on these v. BP?
Nov. 25, 2008
bigred3
38 posts
I'm curious. Every pitcher I have played with (and myself the few times I have pitched) releases the ball and gets themselves in a fielding position. This is slopitch. I know the bats are hot and the ball can come back fast. But pitchers should have enough time to get in a defensive position in order to at least defend themselves against a shot up the middle. If not you should not be pitching. Or are you standing there watching what a great pitch you have thrown?
Nov. 25, 2008
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
dirty
i still need help getting to that magic 1000 avg. can you help out?
Nov. 25, 2008
leftie
Men's 50
41 posts
The last thing I'm going to say on the subject is this:
It's easy for the non-pitchers to shoot their mouths off
about getting better at defense..Just come out and get and get a little of this action. Let's see what you think then.
As far as the pitchers that have not been hit, your time is coming..Good luck..
Nov. 25, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I am not sure what non-pitcher you are referring to . I know it cannot be me.
Nov. 25, 2008
bigred3
38 posts
I am sure he is reffering to you, among others. Simply because your posts are often inflamatory. My perception is that you are nothing more than a manure stirer. Unless you are naive (stupid?) enough to believe you are just injecting thought provoking comments into these discussions.
Nov. 25, 2008
RIK56
Men's 50
120 posts
i understand the game just fine.i"m in great shape 5"9 240 i have no idea how far i get back after i pitch a ball,quick feet yep i work on that wife makes me dance at our chicken and beer dance fundraisers.soft hands not sure what to say there,stopped throwing a ball against a wall when i was about 15.but to answer your question bp about once a week at indoor cages.and once a week playing indoors.and to big red you cant stop every ball hit up the middle so i guess i need to stop pitching.
Nov. 25, 2008
the wood
1085 posts
I have avoided this subject for several reasons, one of which is that I don't like to talk about myself. But I pitched years ago when Bombats were the thing, balls were hotter and the hitters were younger... and in 90% of the cases, they were stronger.
I was hit many times so I find it hard to believe that many of you weren't hit until lately. However, you may have been playing in lower divisions.
Not counting the numerous shin burgers I received, the more memorable ones were from Eddie 'Hollywood' Corum and Greg Fuhrmann (Campbell's Carpets) and Mike Vaughn (Howard's). None of them left a lasting impression. I did get hit in the crotch (no cup) in a local tourney and it was because of a semi-bad hop and because I was expecting him to take the pitch. But I got over that one as well.
The only time that I was anywhere near angry was with Fuhrmann (God rest his gentle soul). We had made a deal between the teams to stay out of the middle until the sun dropped lower. We honored it and he didn't, hitting me in the upper thigh... a ball that I never saw. The idea of staying out the middle was his as he was Campbell's pitcher that game (1979).
There was minimal anguish over middle shots back then. It wasn't until I began playing 50+ that I saw any of this. We were in Petersburg, VA, and there was this fat guy from Detroit (Bob somebody from 'Southwestern', 1982) that 'begged' for the ball to be hit back through him, not verbally but by his totally annoying actions. Jim Cary used to pitch a lot as well and we used to 'buzz the tower' quite often with him.
I played against Jim again when he pitched for different senior teams and we hit the middle... I don't ever remember him whining about it... I haven't seen the fat Detroit guy in seniors but would be tempted to buzz his tower on general principles alone... just kidding.
BW
Nov. 25, 2008
doker
Men's 60
168 posts
YES THE RULE IS NO GOOD AS IT IS BEING CALLED AT THE MOMENT!!!!!!...THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO PROTECT THE PITCHER ISN'T IT????...WELL THEN IT SHOULD BE ....ANY BALL THAT HITS THE PITCHER IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE PITCHERS FIELDING AREA THAT THE PITCHER HAS NO CHANCE OF FIELDING CLEANLY SHOULD BE A DEAD BALL OUT....AGAIN , IT DOES HAVE TO HIT THE PITCHER SOMEWHERE EVEN if IT HITS HIS GLOVE....THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE BALLS THAT ARE ACTUALLY FIELDED OR COME SLOWLY TO THE PITCHER....THERE IS MUCH TOO MUCH GRAY AREA THE WAY IT IS WORDED NOW....AGAIN THIS IS TO PROTECT THE PITCHER AND TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF HOT PLAYS THAT GO THRU THAT AREA OF THE FIELD!!!!!!!! just my opinion
Nov. 25, 2008
AZBaller
44 posts
What color dress's do you guy's wear???? It's all part of the game, if you don't want shot's up the middle at you "DON'T PITCH"!!!!!!!!!
Nov. 25, 2008
sierahiker44
Men's 55
17 posts
As we all know,we have seen many injuries over the years, muscle pulls and tears, players colliding, sliding , bad hops, wet grass etc. This is a sport that injuries happen in. What are we going to do? Put cages around every player in the field, padding on every player, or what. We know the risks, If you arent willing to take them, dont play. If your scared of the ball, play a different position, hit only or quit. Have fun
Nov. 25, 2008
BigLou
26 posts
If you are scared put a screen up and stay behind it. It will protect you. The rule will not protect you. The other team/batter will not be penalized. Dead ball single everyone advances one base. Your team will have to deal with the cumbersome effects of throws around the screen etc. Not the other team.

It would be interesting to see how many of these guys howling for protection (by way of rule) would use the screen under these conditions. Or how many would last as pitchers on their team if they put their own team at a disadvantage from their lack of ability.
Nov. 25, 2008
JOHN BOB
Men's 60
76 posts
Was this rule put in to protect the pitcher on shots accidentally hit at pitcher or if batter is deliberately trying to hit the pitcher.After 13 years of playing senior ball in major & aaa division never has our team or our opponent tried to hit the pitcher that I know of. I hear this has happen in M+, if this is happening in M+ give the umps ok to warn both teams & if it happens again batter & manger is ejected like in baseball when pitcher is throwing at batter. If its just for accidental shots then I agree with a lot others lets stop changing the rules & Play Ball! Heck I play 3rd base and with this crazy rule more batter will be pulling the ball down my way I sure don't need that lol
Nov. 25, 2008
doker
Men's 60
168 posts
HEY GUYS I DON'T LIKE THE RULE EITHER...BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW IT IS A RULE AND THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION....IT ONLY NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED SO ALL UMPS WILL CALL THE SAME PLAY IN THE SAME WAY...AS IT IS PRESENTLY WRITTEN IT IS TOO AMBIGUOUS AND WE ARE GETTING ALL KINDS OF INTERPRETATIONS FROM THE UMPS....THE IDEA THAT THE PITCHER SHUD BE IN THE 6FT AREA IS REALLY GOOFY BECAUSE ANYONE WHO HAS PITCHED IN TOURNEYS KNOWS THAT THEY BACK UP AS FAR AS THEY CAN TO FIELD A HIT BALL UP THE MIDDLE...BUT 6-8-10 FEET IS STILL GOING TO HURT WITH A BLASTED HIT UP THE MIDDLE THAT YOU CAN'T HARDLY SEE MUCH LESS FIELD.....
Nov. 25, 2008
the wood
1085 posts
There is method to their madness in this rule. When it originally came out, it read 'any line drive that strikes the pitcher'... this didn't include one hoppers, hard grounders, etc.
Also, when the pitcher leaves the pitching box (going laterally) there is no penalty to the batter. The thinking was 'why should the batter be penalized when the pitcher went into the path of the ball'. Would you prefer to close the entire middle? Think that through for a moment... if you're worried about getting hit by the ball, stay in the box... or don't pitch.
When the pitcher leaves the back of the box, he becomes a fielder, much like the 3B or 1B.
The pitcher is in a much better position when he's 60' + away from the plate.
They moved the mound back to 50' in 1980 or so.Years ago we pitched at 46' and there were often baseball pitching mounds @ 54' with the front slope starting @ 50' or so.. This didn't leave pitchers much room to set up. The pitcher knows where the pitch is located and can read the batter unlike the 3b or 1b.
You can always pitch inside, you know... or you can wear protective gear... or don't pitch at all. These are all valid choices.
BW
Nov. 25, 2008
Joncon
289 posts
"""On one of the plays the ball hit me in the right side and knocked me backwards """


I SAW that!

If they are going to make a rule to protect pitchers, how about using some common sense?

Your pitchers box extended six feet IN FRONT of the box but only TWO FEET back! That ball came back in the worst possible position, right at the belt. I would have been pissed too.

I say, IF they are going to have a middle rule, the zone needs to be about 4' wide with anything thru it an out.
Nov. 25, 2008
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
Joncon- I have no real opinion on what the rule should be. I don't pitch and I've never hit a pitcher no matter where he was. But I think you might have your pitcher's box dimension off a bit. The box is 2 feet wide and 6 feet deep. The front of the box is the front edge of the pitching rubber. It extends BACK from the rubber, not to the FRONT. -DG-
Nov. 25, 2008
Joncon
289 posts
I played on that field and I looked at the box.


It SHOULD have been 6' back but it wasn't.

Our pitcher was a bit wider than 2' also :)

It's also stupid that you have to get hit to get the out.
Nov. 25, 2008
the wood
1085 posts
It's also an out if you catch it and make an accurate throw.
BW
Nov. 25, 2008
SSUSA Staff
1270 posts
Joncon ... The field you played at in Las Vegas had a 53' distance Pitching Rubber. I was the Tournament Director and my instructions to the field crew, after they declined to re-position the pitching rubber CLOSER by 3', was to chalk the pitcher's box 3' forward and 3' backward from the front edge. It is possible the chalked box extended too far in front, but we're reasonably sure it was positioned properly.
Nov. 25, 2008
Joncon
289 posts
I looked st it and sratched my head trying to figure out the logic. The 53' thing makes sense now but they had it shifted to far forward.

BTW, A 100 MPH ball will cover 50' in about 1/3 of a second. I don't care how fast your relexes are, you are going to get hit. It's only a matter of when and where.
Nov. 25, 2008
Joncon
289 posts
we neads speel chack or an edit feeture.
Nov. 25, 2008
jim16
Men's 65
173 posts
THE WOOD,
Bob, Finally a Capitol player is admitting they hit at me. You guys scared me to death. Frank Rodriguez had more fun at my expense than ever should have been allowed. I had shortstops in those days who ran behind me because they knew you were trying to get me and they knew I couldn't catch a cold. I had Billy Steele and Larry Storti behind me, all I did was get out of the way.
However, it does scare me today. I have a recurring dream where I wake up just before the ball hits me in the face. At our age today we can hit the ball just as hard as we did when we were younger but our reflexes have slowed down. I hit the ball harder today at the age of 65 than I did at the age of 35 and Bob, you know that is true.
Bob, if you remember, in Seattle at the ASA nationals 45 over back in about 2000, your team hit me three times in the same game before I took myself out. I didnt complain, you guys just "beat me" its part of the game. But it is scary today and there have been deaths from batted balls. I only get upset when I see guys who can hit it 350 and they are mashing it up the middle. I have a couple of teammates who do that, they think its fun. The single up the middle is the easiest hit in the game but its also the least productive. Also, when you mess up, its two outs. I applaud the SS-USA staff for the intent of this rule, but its a bad rule the way it is now.
The only time I would ever hit a screamer up the middle would be if an Ohioan with the nickname "dirty" was pitching, now that could be fun.
Nov. 26, 2008
DoubleL10
Men's 65
833 posts
BW and Jim, I think the guy Bob is mentioned was Bob Louria from Southwestern Fab. I played on a team called Technitrux from Virginia in that tournament (Class A Worlds) in 1982 and remember how good Capitol Insulation was! We finished 9th and got knocked out by Southwestern Fab. Never even got a shot at Capitol. Jim, were you playing with Looking Glass then? LL
Nov. 26, 2008
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
LARRY......BOB LOURA IS RIGHT.....THEY CALLED HIM ''CRAZY'', HE ALSO PLAYED WITH LANSING GLASS. WE PLAYED THEM ALL THE TIME WHEN I PLAYED WITH LILLY AIR FROM CHICAGO
Nov. 26, 2008
leftie
Men's 50
41 posts
Well, Ok, maybe I'm not done.
AZBaller wants to know what color dresses we wear.
Well, what color dresses do first basemen wear? They have an orange base to keep the lumbering 250 pounder from breaking their ankles. Exept in vegas, it's a white line.
The guys in the dougout have a fence to keep them from getting hit by a foul ball or an errant throw by the SS. What color dresses do they wear?
...And what about the catcher..He has his own home plate
to keep the same lumbering 250 pounder, who is going to score at all costs, from killing him. Aren't collisions at the plate part of the game?
What color dress does he wear?
As for me, I like the long black dresses with the slit up the side and 4" heels.
Nov. 26, 2008
leftie
Men's 50
41 posts
I meant no offense to the lumbering 250 pounders out there.
Nov. 26, 2008
the wood
1085 posts
Jim:
I stated that we 'buzzed the tower' on you... I didn't state that we tried to hit you... big difference. You did what you could to embarrass a hitter and we did what we could to throw you off your game. From our viewpoint, our strategy worked... I do not recall any of us hitting you.
BTW, I saw Frank about 2 weeks ago... same old affable guy. He had a hip replacement so he doesn't play ball any more. but he did say that he would come out of retirement if you were pitching... something about a lofty lifetime avg off you. :-) He looked to be in pretty good shape... he definitely can still hit... he plays golf instead.

LL:
You are correct... I could never remember his last name. We lost our first game (to a local Richmond team) and came all the way back to the finals on Monday... but we ended up in 3rd place. I think that there were 40+ teams there. We did beat Southwestern though... small world.
:-)
BW
Nov. 26, 2008
jim16
Men's 65
173 posts
Bob, No, No there was a bounty and it made me smile. I believed then that when a team was more interested in hitting the middle than hitting it over the fence that I was giving my team a small edge. You guys had HR hitters from top to bottom, great players and when the middle was your goal, maybe, just maybe we might win. Frank was a great hitter and I knew where he was hitting it. The problem was getting him out. We didnt get him out very often. Tell Frank I still rmember how enthusiastic he was when he got to hit against me.
Bob Lauria was a terrific showman and I tried to do some of the same stuff. He was fun to watch. He is from Michigan.
Bob, Heres a good one for you. Bruce Loria and Gregg Loria are cousins of Bob Louria. I saw Bruce in Tulsa this year and that rascal can still play and almost never makes an out. He just doesnt have the desire like he used to have. His son is an uncoming hockey player.
Nov. 26, 2008
the wood
1085 posts
Did Bob L. add the extra letter because he had more room on the back of his jersey? I played with Bruce in 98-99 as you may recall from the 45s in Seattle. When he was focused he was a really tough out.
Bounty? don't flatter yourself. Hitting the middle was a higher % 'at bat' than going yard... this was/is even more true when the pitcher tries to perform all sorts of antics... like lighting a ball on fire. How did that 'small edge' work in terms of wins or losses v. Capitol? :-)
The truth be told, we were less a power team and more of a 'speed and defense team', when compared to Howard's, Campbells, Nelson's, Ken Sanders, etc. In addition to Frank, I saw many of our 'old guys' 2-3 weeks ago and it was great.
BW
Nov. 26, 2008
tattooball
620 posts
Bob,
Check http://www.bigcat844.com/teams_capitol_insulation.html
It is a nice little history page Mike did about you old farts. LOL
Nov. 28, 2008
jim16
Men's 65
173 posts
Bob, Actually Bruce and Greg dropped the "U" because they were smaller. Yes, Captol had great teams and yes they played both ways. Donnie Furnald and Bo Webber were anchors and everyone else played defense too. Elby isnt remebered by many as a defensive player but he could play both ways. However, you did have power up and down the line up. There were so many times you guys were way out in fromt of us that the only thing left to do was to shut me up. Thats when the ball started zipping up the middle, Campbells used to do he same thing. All I can say is that I survived and lived for another day.
Great memories. I'd love to attend a Captol reunion and just say "Howdy".
Nov. 28, 2008
the wood
1085 posts
Jim, you just missed it... we held it 3 weeks ago in Anaheim Hills. The very next week that area was hit with fire in the worst way... we had nothing to do with that.
In fact, even Richard Fischer was there and played in the local, open field tourney that we entered. I got most of them to show up under the pretense that you'd be pitching for one of the other teams. :-)
On another thread, a guy named Lefty said that you know who he is... which one is he? O'doul or Gomez? or the guy that Richard Kimble was chasing?
:-)
Take care...
BW
Nov. 29, 2008
jim16
Men's 65
173 posts
Bob, Great answer. Even though we were big time rivals, I spent a lot of time hitting with Mike Cellura and Ron Whittleton. Great guys and I looked up to them so much. I would love to go get drilled one more time by all of the Capitol guys.
BTW I dont know who Lefty is but I'm confident he's a great guy. Just a litle misinformed, but then who isnt.
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